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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-17-aarp-health-overhaul_N.htm

About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.

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I wonder how the lefty deniers can deflect this?

maybe the association of nursing home residents sent out some thugs

"it's not real"

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actually, obama fucked this up. either he was being dishonest or is another instance of him not knowing the facts before he speaks by saying the aarp supports his plan.
 

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he's either gonna have to claim to be an idiot to keep from being branded a liar

or he's gonna have to claim to be a liar to keep from being branded an idiot...
 
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I guess this means I don't have to join now because Im 51 & thats OK with me Id rather belong to the moose lodge anyway.
 

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Wonder what % of these people also opted out of medicare (assume they are of age)

The people who already recieve socialized medicine don't want anyone else to recieve it

Everyone grab as much as they can no matter how wasteful and who cares if it screws anyone else
 

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The people who already recieve socialized medicine don't want anyone else to recieve it

Everyone grab as much as they can no matter how wasteful and who cares if it screws anyone else

the people who receive medicare spent their working lives paying into it. there are other options if you have the financial means, but most citizens are content in their old age that they will receive adequate medical attention.

imagine being 80 years old and suddenly they plant the idea in your head that if you get sick you'll be left for dead. i'd be pissed off too. not only that, but imagine spending your life paying into something that suddenly will be distributed and rationed among those who have paid less than a quater than you have.... and being told they have priority.
 

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The only eligibility requirement to recieve medicare is being 65. Having spent any of those years working and paying into the system is immaterial

Imagine being 25-years-old and you will be left for dead if you don't have enough money in your bank account to cover medical expenses
 

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The only eligibility requirement to recieve medicare is being 65. Having spent any of those years working and paying into the system is immaterial

Imagine being 25-years-old and you will be left for dead if you don't have enough money in your bank account to cover medical expenses

no, you have to have spent at least 10 years paying into it. or have a serious medical condition. i don't know of any 25 year olds who will be left for dead under today's system as the emergency room -- fucking rangers -- is an option for everyone, although they may not like the pricetag.
 

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i think -- just an astute opinion here -- that most people who spend decades paying for something feel entitled to it once they reach the prescribed terms. to suddenly have that thrown into the air of uncertainty is scary. now, if you have to spend a minimum of 10 years paying into the system to receive it, how many of us would stop paying for it once the 10 years was up if we had that option? i would. a lot of people have spent a lot of their years paying into the system, and now these same people just want the piece of mind that they will reap those benefits.
 

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You are right about the 10-year thing. The eligibility calculator at medicare.gov asked no questions about work history. Of course there are a lot of 25-year-olds who already have the 10 years completed

If you agree that someone who cannot afford care won't be denied, you must also agree we already have socialized medicine. That only leaves trying to do it as efficiently as possible. And what we have now is very far from efficient
 

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You are right about the 10-year thing. The eligibility calculator at medicare.gov asked no questions about work history. Of course there are a lot of 25-year-olds who already have the 10 years completed

If you agree that someone who cannot afford care won't be denied, you must also agree we already have socialized medicine. That only leaves trying to do it as efficiently as possible. And what we have now is very far from efficient

i didn't go to the .govt site, i looked at two or 3 others though before trying to engage. there are over 300 million in the american population. let's say 50 million don't have insurance to give me an easy number to calculate....okay, that's.....roughly 15% of the population. so roughly 85% of the population is insured. you're asking that 85%, who have their plans, who have spent years paying into their plans, and now they're being asked to go into the unknown to provide for the 15% who are without? there is no debate that the system needs to be reformed -- one side evidently had it at the bottom of its to-do list, the other has it at the top of its to-do list. it is hard to expect 85% of the population to sacrifice their heathcare to provide for the 15% who don't have it, especially when there are so many questions.

i'm not sure of the work laws for those under the age of 18, but i would be surprised if there are "a lot" of 25 year olds who have spent 10 years of their lives paying taxes.

the aarp is one of the largest lobbying groups and has over 35 million members, and that membership is expected to grow as baby boomers age. maybe you can't blame obama for being trigger happy and endorsing his plan for them, but maybe he should have been a little more subtle.
 

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i didn't go to the .govt site, i looked at two or 3 others though before trying to engage. there are over 300 million in the american population. let's say 50 million don't have insurance to give me an easy number to calculate....okay, that's.....roughly 15% of the population. so roughly 85% of the population is insured. you're asking that 85%, who have their plans, who have spent years paying into their plans, and now they're being asked to go into the unknown to provide for the 15% who are without? there is no debate that the system needs to be reformed -- one side evidently had it at the bottom of its to-do list, the other has it at the top of its to-do list. it is hard to expect 85% of the population to sacrifice their heathcare to provide for the 15% who don't have it, especially when there are so many questions.

i'm not sure of the work laws for those under the age of 18, but i would be surprised if there are "a lot" of 25 year olds who have spent 10 years of their lives paying taxes.

the aarp is one of the largest lobbying groups and has over 35 million members, and that membership is expected to grow as baby boomers age. maybe you can't blame obama for being trigger happy and endorsing his plan for them, but maybe he should have been a little more subtle.



Universal single payer will be enacted on the state level and will happen under the radar while the republican shouters feel good about making noise at town hall meetings. States are doing studies and finding single payer is the most cost effective way to go on health care period.

(rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one party purposely puts itself in what appears to be a losing position, attempting thereby to become the eventual victor.)

"Canada did not establish its national health care program with a bold, immediate political move by the federal government.

The initial progress came at the provincial level, led by the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation's Tommy Douglas when he served from 1941 to 1960 premier of Saskatchewan. The universal, publicly-funded "single-payer" health care system that Douglas and his socialist allies developed in Saskatchewan proved to be so successful and so popular that it was eventually adopted by other provinces and, ultimately, by Canada's federal government.

For his efforts, Douglas would be hailed in a national survey as "The Greatest Canadian" of all time. But Douglas' regional initiative also offers a lesson for Americans.

Those of us who know that the only real cure for what ails the U.S. health care system is a universal public plan that provides health care for all Americans while controlling costs recognize the frustrating reality that there are many economic and political barriers to the federal action that would create a single-payer system. This makes clearing the way experimentation at the state level all the more important.

And, remarkably, the forces of real reform have won a congressional victory on that front, a victory that ought not be underestimated.

By a 25-19 vote, the House Committee on Education and Labor on Friday approved an amendment to the House's health-care reform bill allowing states to create single-payer health care systems if they so choose".

http://www.truthout.org/071909B
 

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-17-aarp-health-overhaul_N.htm

About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.

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I wonder how the lefty deniers can deflect this?

maybe the association of nursing home residents sent out some thugs

"it's not real"

@):mad:

Did you give back your membership?
 

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About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul

you sure thats not the number of members that have died since july 1? d1g1t :lol:

just sayin


i guess these people must be dying at record rates and thats why we need a healthcare overhaul amidst this healthcare crisis of our horrible healthcare system, right? (<)<
 

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he's either gonna have to claim to be an idiot to keep from being branded a liar

or he's gonna have to claim to be a liar to keep from being branded an idiot...

His ego will not allow him to entertain either scenario
 

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Wonder what % of these people also opted out of medicare (assume they are of age)

I wonder what percentage of members AARP is honestly losing due to "objections to Obama health care proposals" as compared to the number of major advertisers FOXNews is having to reroute off the Glenn Beck daily whinefest.
 

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I guess this means I don't have to join now because Im 51 & thats OK with me Id rather belong to the moose lodge anyway.

Lookin' good, J

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I dropped off because i already have bought their gap insurance and was tired of the flood of correspondence in the mail. Guess I need to send in my dues now.
 

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