What part of that article did you relate to the most? He made it sound as if the bookmakers are all out of shape and eating bad, living on the edge worry warts... Can you throw some glamour back in the mix,lol? Is 3% the bottom line books shoot for?
Books stateside would be shooting at closer to 6-8% (not alot of overhead)
I would think ? Of course with much more risk too.
Books stateside would be shooting at closer to 6-8% (not alot of overhead)
The article is from the NY Times web-site if you want to read it you have to register.
NY TIMES Gambling Offshore article
wil.
NY TIMES Gambling Offshore article
wil.
Wil, courtesy of Boxing Freak, here's a link where you DON'T have to register
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/17/magazine/17GAMBLING.html?ex=1062145771&ei=1&en=c1e3290697531eec
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/17/magazine/17GAMBLING.html?ex=1062145771&ei=1&en=c1e3290697531eec
Man, I can't believe I just read all those 7 pages!!! Geez, that was almost as long as a Patrick McIrish post..
For a guy who hates reading, I am really shocked I read it. But I will say this, it was very interesting indeed. I really enjoyed it.
BTW, does anyone know who this K.C. guy is??.. He was the most popular guy in the article. Do we know this character? They seemed to mention this kid about 49 times..
BTW, does anyone know who this K.C. guy is??.. He was the most popular guy in the article. Do we know this character? They seemed to mention this kid about 49 times..
Lenny
Two questions, if I may, with all respect.
1. Do you have someone who works for/with you named Dave?
2. If yes, did this individual send BTJ an e-mail saying something to the effect of "thanks for the $660, sucker." ?
Your response is eagerly awaited, with all respect, of course.
VVV
Two questions, if I may, with all respect.
1. Do you have someone who works for/with you named Dave?
2. If yes, did this individual send BTJ an e-mail saying something to the effect of "thanks for the $660, sucker." ?
Your response is eagerly awaited, with all respect, of course.
VVV
Will BTJ post in this thread now after Vinny's question. ..
Yes -840
No +660
I'll even predict the time too. Seeing this bum is probably sleeping already because he has to get up at 5 am to walk the dog (wife's order because she wears the pants in this relationship), I will predict that the post will come in at 6:14 am Thursday morning. It will be close to 6 am.. That is my prediction.
Yes -840
No +660
I'll even predict the time too. Seeing this bum is probably sleeping already because he has to get up at 5 am to walk the dog (wife's order because she wears the pants in this relationship), I will predict that the post will come in at 6:14 am Thursday morning. It will be close to 6 am.. That is my prediction.
SLICK YOU ARE RIGHT I AM GOING TO RESPOND AND TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED.BEFORE CASCADE DEDUCTED MY 660 DOLLARS I HAD 1900 IN MY ACCOUNT.WE WERE BATTLEING IT OUT IN THE FORUM I HAVE NEVER EVEN SPOKEN TO DAVE THE USED CAR SALESMAN OR LENNY THE CHISSLER IN MY LIFE.THE DISPUTE WAS BEING FOUGHT BACK AND FOURTH IN THE FORUMS AND BY E-MAIL.DAVE SAID 100 TIMES BEANTOWNJIM YOUR NOT GETTING THE 660 DOLLARS BACK WE WILL GLADLY GIVE YOU YOUR 1300 AND WE WILL PAY FOR THE WESTERN UNION.OF COURSE I WAS STILL STEAMING AND REFUSED TO PICK UP THE MONEY.SO DAVE CONTINUED TO SEND ME E-MAILS SOMETIMES 30 A DAY TELLING ME TO GO PICK UP THE DOUGH.AND I KEPT REFUSING UNTIL I GOT THE FULL 1900 I WAS OWED.THIS WENT ON FOR 3 WEEKS I WENT TO (JIM FROM THE OSGA) AND HE ASKED LENNY WHY DONT YOU PAY THE KID YOU WERE WRONG AND LENNY SAID NO WAY HE ISNT GETTING PAID END OF STORY. THIS IS A FACT I CALLED JIM FROM THE OSGA AND HE SAID LENNY ISNT BUDGING SO YOU BETTER JUST TAKE OUT YOUR 1300 HUNDRED AND MOVE ON.SO THE E-MAILS BETWEEN ME AND DAVE WERE NOT VERY FRIENDLY HE KEPT SAYING JUST PICK UP YOUR MONEY AND ITS OVER ITS WAITING AT THE WESTERN UNION.I WAS STILL LOOKING FOR HELP FROM OTHER WATCH DOG SITES WHO ALL BY THE WAY AGREED LENNY WAS WRONG GRADING A BET IN HIS SPORTSBOOK 15 MINUTES AFTER A GAME STARTED.WELL FINALLY I HAD NO WHERE ELSE TO TURN AND CASCADE WASNT DOING THE RIGHT THING SO I E-MAILED DAVE AND SAID I WAS GOING TO PICK UP THE MONEY.I WENT TO THE SHAWS MARKET GOT THE CHECKS FOR 1300 AND I WAS STUNNED WHEN I RETURNED HOME AND GOT AN E-MAIL FROM CASCADE SAYING WHAT I COULD DO WITH THE MONEY THEY OBVIOUSLY SAW I HAD THE MONEY PICKED UP AND THE CASE WAS CLOSED.SO DAVE SAID I WAS THE BIGGEST JERK THEY EVER DEALT WITH AND A FEW OTHER CHOICE WORDS THEN HE ENDED THE E-MAIL SAYING AND I QUOTE (THANKS FOR THE 660 DOLLARS SUCKER) AND THIS IS THE GODS HONEST TRUTH I WANT DAVE TO RESPOND AND ASK HIM IF HE EVER SWORE AT ME IN HIS FINAL E-MAIL.HE CANT DENY THIS.PERSONALLY IT DIDNT BOTHER ME BECAUSE I USED A FEW CHOICE WORDS FOR DAVE ALSO DURING OUR DISPUTE.I FELT I WAS DEALT A BAD HAND IN THIS DEAL BUT BEING CALLED A SUCKER DIDNT BOTHER ME AS MUCH AS IT DOES VINNY AT THE TIME I DIDNT THINK ANYTHING OF IT DAVE WAS PISSED AND SO WAS I.I PUT THIS ISSUE UP AT ANOTHER FORUM AND 90% OF THE POSTERS INCLUDING MADJACK AGREED LENNY AND CASCADE SPORTSBOOK WERE WRONG TO GRADE A BET 15 MINUTES AFTER A GAME STARTED PERIOD THIS IS ALL I WANTED TO HEAR
J-man
Maybe it's my fault for bringing this up but this was the first time I got a chance to ask Lenny directly. I really didn't expect he would respond because he would really have to apologize if he admitted this really happened.
I am now more convinced than ever that this happened just like BTJ says. No doubt, BTJ was taking a swing for the seats. In the end, though, it was Lenny and Cascade that took the shot, BTJ took the hit.
I don't care if Jim finds the "sucker" reference offensive or not. To me, this about as bad a business practice as I have encountered.
VVV
Maybe it's my fault for bringing this up but this was the first time I got a chance to ask Lenny directly. I really didn't expect he would respond because he would really have to apologize if he admitted this really happened.
I am now more convinced than ever that this happened just like BTJ says. No doubt, BTJ was taking a swing for the seats. In the end, though, it was Lenny and Cascade that took the shot, BTJ took the hit.
I don't care if Jim finds the "sucker" reference offensive or not. To me, this about as bad a business practice as I have encountered.
VVV
