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John Kerry showed the nation he has practical ways to deal with America’s problems. Meanwhile, Bush dodged all the difficult questions.

The first debate revived John Kerry's candidacy. The second sharpened his differences with President George W. Bush. And the final presidential debate of 2004 saw Kerry reminding America why he was most qualified person to lead the nation at this moment in history.

The debate showed both candidates at their most personal and persuasive. Kerry was forceful in his competent and detailed answers. He looked into the camera and told Americans exactly how he would do a better job than Bush on a wide range of problems. Whether the topic was tax cuts or health care costs or assault weapons, Kerry said what he'd do, how he'd do it and why America needed a different direction.

The president was equally confident, but he offered fewer specifics, other than saying he had more work to do in his next term. Bush was also glib, making jokes and dodging questions by changing subjects. He kept bringing up Kerry's 20-year record in the U.S. Senate, as if that was the solution people were hoping to hear.

Both candidates seemed to know this debate wasn't about introducing themselves to voters; it was about confirming impressions and winning votes. By that measure, Kerry, by focusing on more bread-and-butter issues than the president, emerged as the candidate who stood with middle-class Americans - especially women. This is significant, because the largest chunk of undecided voters are working women.

It was Kerry, not the president, who spoke of raising the minimum wage, equal pay for equal work, and who slammed tax cuts that came at the expense of after-school programs. To working women and families with children, these issues are very real. It doesn't matter how many times Bush brought up the No Child Left Behind law as progress — and it isn't — if millions of middle-class moms know they have fewer after-school options while they're at work. As Kerry said, "Eighty-nine billion dollars last year to the top 1 percent of Americans, but kids lost their after-school programs. You be the judge."

The president neither admitted nor acknowledged that his policies made some Americans quite wealthy while ignoring the needs of others. When asked what he'd say to unemployed workers, the president said his government would try to help them learn new job skills. Bush gave a similar answer when asked about what to do about high health care costs. He said he'd try to give people assistance in paying those bills — through lower taxes.

What was wrong with those answers, according to Kerry? The Democrat said these were symptoms of problems the president has made worse. Outsourcing jobs was due, in part, he said, to a tax system that encourages large employers to invest overseas and has workers subsidizing the export of their own jobs. That's the president's record, not tossing pennies toward job training. And on health care, Kerry also pointed out that Bush has supported new laws that increased the profits of health insurers and others. That greed will not be balanced by tax cuts.

But Kerry's real dominance most surprisingly came on the issue of guns — the lapse of the assault weapons ban in particular. Kerry staked out an identity as a hunter, and a former prosecutor in one of the largest districts in the country. Kerry also used the discussion to show a failure of leadership on Bush's part and provided an answer for what he would have done that fits the conventional public understanding of what Presidents are supposed to do when they have a cause — go to the people. Bush wished away his failure to get the assault weapons ban reinstated, which he said Congress did not have the votes for — a kind of "Oh well, I wanted it, but it was impossible." Kerry explained how he would have done it, reminding the public of the last president to bring in the assault weapons ban: "If Tom DeLay or someone in the House said to me, 'Sorry, we don't have the votes,' I'd have said, 'Then we're going to have a fight.' And I'd have taken it out to the country and I'd have had every law enforcement officer in the country visit those congressmen. We'd have won what Bill Clinton won."

Bush essentially said that we're going to have a rosier future. His sunrise optimism is not appealing for older voters. Older people understand that solving problems in the world is a struggle, and are wary of easy answers to complicated problems. They respond better to explanations of how things are going to be done. Older people will recognize that Bush’s plans for dealing with retirement security issues are no panacea. "Our health-care system is the envy of the world because we believe in making sure that the decisions are made by doctors and patients, not by officials in the nation's capital." Boasting doesn't give comfort to the afflicted.

We saw some personal revelations about the candidates — when Bush said that freedom is a gift from God, he made it sound like his policies in the Middle East come from his personal dialogues with Jesus. Kerry also showed himself to be a man of faith, but one who would not impose his views on other people, just because he had the power to do so.

What more do Americans need to know before they go into the voting booths?

In the words of Gamface "no time for links". wil.
 

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What more do Americans need to know before they go into the voting booths?

That he is the most liberal wacko in the whole senate.
 

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A man with a plan that he so vaguely gives, cannot pay for and does not match his record.
 

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royalfan 911 happened on Bush's watch. What else do you need to know before you vote?
 

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and there was a hell of a lot he could do about it. Get a clue. That is why he is trying his ass off to make sure it doesn't happen again. By the way he did a marvelous job in the aftermath of it. Can you honestly imagine Kerry handling a situation like that?
 

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plus the attack was done by a bunch of wackos that strengthened their organization enough to do it under Clinton's watch, who isn't near as liberal as Kerry is.
 

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What do you mean strengthened during Clinton. Do you not read. Al Quida is now up to 50,000 plus members by some estimations. He's not trying his ass off or he would of attacked the country that 14 of the 19 attackers came from.

Oh yeah they had real weapons and war planes not just slingshots so that left them out. He's a fukkin coward President. He signed up for the Nation Guard guaranteeing he would see no military action.

You make me laugh with your blind faith.
 

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you can say what you want about him but don't call him a coward. Be tough to come up with a description that is further from the truth. From hear on out you hold absolutely no credibility in my eyes after a statement like that.
 

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royal,

just curious, why do you think the boy cheerleader from a prep school who used his dad's connections to get a slot in the champagne squadron of the air national guard during viet nam war and checked the box saying he did not want to serve overseas and subsequently skipped duty be not labeled a coward?

thanks for playing
 

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Bush IS a coward.

He had his chance.

The little slimeball ticked the box.
(They even let the little **** choose )

he chose: "no overseas service"

he had his chance....



...maybe he had a debilitating verruka or something...
 

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Eek lost all credibility also, although didn't have much before. Simply a childish chearleder that brings nothing to the table like jackassfleck. Mud, you are a little smarter I think. Seriously lets get in the here and now. Bush really handled himself like a coward the last 4 years didn't he? None of you can honestly think that. It would be impossible. Most of the reasons you guys don't like him is because he acted too courageously with the same intelligence that Kerry used when voting to use force. Ofcourse, I forgot, he has a plan and he would have done better. Easy to come with that bs without saying what in the hell it is.
 

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Kerry has a Plan?

Don't you mean that "Kerry has a plans; one for every occassion"

Kerry is a backstabbing traitor - he's not cap[able of thinking beyond the moment - the only plan that Kerry has, is how to get Kerry into the White House - after that, George Sorros will be the power behind the throne - and as Mr Sorros said "The untrammeled intensification of laissez-faire capitalism and the spread of market values into all areas of life, is endangering our open and democratic society."

What Commisar Sorros means is that he will tell you what to do - and you'd better do it - for your own good of course!

Thank you founding fathers for the second ammendment!
 

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royalfan said:
Bush really handled himself like a coward the last 4 years didn't he? None of you can honestly think that. It would be impossible.

*I* think he's a cowardly POS.

He wages war in Iraq to appease all his wealthy friends after years of failed attempts at success. It turns out the only thing he's good at is schmoozing and trying to impress.

He wages war in Iraq with ridiculously low troop levels and unsealed borders to draw in the terrorists -- let them fight in someone else's backyard so long as I don't have to clean up the mess here in my homeland, where uh, I need the votes.

He wages war in Iraq against an old grudge of his daddy's knowing damn skippy Iraq is defenseless.

He invokes the Patriot Act and reduces civil liberties because actually waiting for some kind of probable cause is apparently too much work.

During the second debate, he was asked what 3 mistakes he could name and what has he learned from them and he completely fails to list any mistakes -- I thought real men could admit when they'd fücked up?

He's a coward because he passes the buck for this power-mongering position onto a god that he can't name, see, or be held accountable to, in a worldly fashion, and expects everyone to actually praise him for this.

He's a piece of shît. He's a coward. He's a rogue cowboy. He's a fascist.

So, no, not impossible at all for people to believe he acted cowardly.
 

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xpanda said:
*I* think he's a cowardly POS. He wages war in Iraq to appease all his wealthy friends after years of failed attempts at success. It turns out the only thing he's good at is schmoozing. He wages war in Iraq with ridiculously low troop levels and unsealed borders to draw in the terrorists -- let them fight in someone else's backyard so long as I don't have to clean up the mess here in my homeland, where uh, I need the votes. He wages war in Iraq against an old grudge of his daddy's knowing damn skippy Iraq is defenseless. He invokes the Patriot Act and reduces civil liberties because actually waiting for some kind of probably cause is apparently too difficult. During the second debate, he was asked what 3 mistakes he could name and what has he learned from them and he completely fails to list any mistakes -- I thought real men could admit when they'd fücked up? He's a coward because he passes the buck for this power-mongering position onto a god that he can't name, see or be held accountable to, in a worldly fashion, and expects everyone to actually praise him for this.

He's a piece of shît. He's a coward. He's a rogue cowboy. He's a fascist.

So, no, not impossible at all for people to believe he acted courageously.


LMFAO another guy with no credibility going forward.
 

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Girl, thank you.

Your rebuttal shows me that, ah, I have it wrong! How can I argue with such fantastic counterpoints????

Were it not for posters like Shotgun, Senditin and even American, I would think all right-wing Americans were positively brain-dead.
 

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He dodged Nam then sends the nations young men off to die based on forged documentation to fullfill political interests and agendas and we're supposed to think he's brave?

Xpanda,

The more posts I see from this royalfanny the more I think we're wasting our breath. Based on the nature of his posts I think franny's just a kid.
 
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Okay, royal ... we'll try this from a different angle, then. Since you state that there is no way anyone could believe that Bush is a coward, I presume you think him to be brave, or at least neutral on the subject? Howzabout, then, you describe for us what exactly Bush has done to make you think he's no coward.
 

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