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Looking at following:

Cubs at Plus money...Although Philly is rolling, Lilly vs Lopez.
Milwaukee
Colorado
Boston-Millwood has 6 opposing hitters with a 300 or above batting average, possibly 7 with a lineup with Baldelli.
Price vs Floyd?

Was totally wrong with Boston...both pitchers pitched well and Halladay was the play.

Be back later after some more research..

What else do we see?

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First one started eyeing last night was the Angels. Rookie on the hill, yes, with just barely over a 2.00 ERA on the road against Ponson who is just coming off the DL, and was battered before going on it. Royals losers of 7 straight, is there something I'm not seeing at only -120??
 

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Not only that, KC's bullpen got them swept against the Rays and their batting at home is SO TERRIBLE! I'm guessin' the line is low because of the rookie they on the mound then?
 

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I would tread cautiously on assessing whether you were on the right or wrong side of a game based on the outcome of a single result. What kind of number you got on Boston would be a more prudent approach when analyzing that bet.

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Oddsmakers put out a higher asking price on the Angels that was is being offered now. The market rejected it and rightfully so. The Angels success has been predicated on a lot of smoke and mirrors, and the market is not being fooled. Their bullpen is sub par, their lineup subpar due to injuries, and are sending a young arm that was overachieving during his brief stay in the majors, and got shelled in his last start in AAA.

I bet against the Royals in their last three games agianst the Rays. They were simply outmatched by a true contender. But the Angels are a patchwork team being priced as a contender.
 

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angels price is probably like that because Ponson is 7-2 in his carrer against them..
 

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angels price is probably like that because Ponson is 7-2 in his carrer against them..

More probable is that Ponson being 7-2 against the Angels has 0 to do with the current price, as the market in a mature market does not fall victim of non predictive variables like how well a pitcher pitched against a team 4 years against (when Ponson was a much different pitcher, the Angels a much different lineup, and the sample size too small to cause influence).
 
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Buffett,

Excellent point on LA as both you and I agree the lineup should digress without Hunter (MVP like numbers) and Vladimar G.

On the Sox I agree with price and result however, I do tend to have a bias being from Massachusetts and a Red Sox fan in general. It may have played into yesterdays play. At Halladays closing price at 110 made it a play in my book. Although, I've faded Toronto religiously over past three weeks, I believe their was some value.

On to today,

Like the Sox as stated above..Believe Millwood has had extremely good year, however with the lineup presented may cause some problems. Not a big fan of Smoltz, but with a lineup that Strikes out as much as Texas does, a veteran pitcher may slide past the 6 inning mark.

Milwaukee playing good ball and looking into them.

As stated previously like the Cubs and Lilly...Don't know if it'll warrant a play

Royals will be a medium play most likely.

Thoughts on others?
 
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Was Supposed to say Houston playing good ball not Milwaukee...Astros and Brewers the mixup.
 

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Buffett,

Excellent point on LA as both you and I agree the lineup should digress without Hunter (MVP like numbers) and Vladimar G.

On the Sox I agree with price and result however, I do tend to have a bias being from Massachusetts and a Red Sox fan in general. It may have played into yesterdays play. At Halladays closing price at 110 made it a play in my book. Although, I've faded Toronto religiously over past three weeks, I believe their was some value.

On to today,

Like the Sox as stated above..Believe Millwood has had extremely good year, however with the lineup presented may cause some problems. Not a big fan of Smoltz, but with a lineup that Strikes out as much as Texas does, a veteran pitcher may slide past the 6 inning mark.

Milwaukee playing good ball and looking into them.

As stated previously like the Cubs and Lilly...Don't know if it'll warrant a play

Royals will be a medium play most likely.

Thoughts on others?


Looks like we are on the same page with today's card. In my opinion, the Red Sox are the most undervalued team on today's card. Millwood is starting to regress, and this is a bad fundamental matchup for him. The market was starting to get bearish on Millwood (they predicted the regression before it happened) about a month ago, but apparently are going the other direction. Maybe they think a bounceback after the break, or are just simply bearish on Smoltz until he can string some quality starts together. Nonetheless, the market is moving the price against me, but the intraday movmement is starting to form a V. I am expecting the market to send the Red Sox back to possible favorites before the close.

Last night, the Brewers had the second most value on today's card. I got in at +107. The market is sending this price in the right direction, but still value left on the table. Olendorf has put forth a solid WHIP this year, but still coudn't manage to keep runs off the board. He is starting to allow more baserunners, and hasn't proven capable of pitching out of the stretch. The addition of Lopez shores up the Brewers main weakness, and will provide more depth to their lineup.

I got in a small play on the Cubs last night at +110. Their best available price right now is +105, which probably no longer warrants a play (unless new info on the lineups increases their worth).

I got in a medium play on the Royals this morning at +124. Will probably buy back a portion of that position before the close, as the market is continue to send this price to a more efficient level. Oddsmakers missed the boat in this one.

You might want to take a look at the Nats. I am suprised oddsmakers set this price this high, but I still think they are undervalued. I think the Nats brought up Martin at just the right time to face a torn up lineup. Hernandez has been known to lack effort on the mound, and it appears he is in one of those modes right now. The Nats are playing just as bad as the Mets, but are playing harder.

Oddsmakers were forced to inflate the Twins line with the way Blackburn has been pitching and with how poorly Gonzaelez has been pitching. Generous price for the A's if you want to look past the obvious.

There are some small value plays left out there as well.

Best of luck today.
 
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Thats always a good thing if we like the same things. I've put a small play on Houston as well. I know St. Louis is a good team and the bullpen is excellent, but Lohse his recent starts has been inconsistent and continually pitches a run higher (ERA) on the road. Both him and Moehler have had miserable July's throughout career, however I'll take the hotter pitcher against an even sided matchup, IMO.

Moehler last 3 starts has been good, Last 2 outings in 08 were good at home and besides his outrocious 4 IP 12 ER he's been a 5-6 inning guy. Lohse has pitched well vs Houston but is it the hot Houston now?

Overall Card:

Large Plays: Boston
Medium Plays: Houston, KC, Milwaukee, Chicago, Washington
Small Play: Oakland, CHicago WSox

Looking at SFGiants as well. I know Hanson has been outstanding but -175 price tag. The market didn't even adjust at all to No hitter and dismissed all of it. SF is a punch and judy lineup that has won some games with smoke and mirrors but price may bid me a smaller wager.

Big Discrepancy in night games and day games in the Bronx and looking into Hernandez..
 

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Thats always a good thing if we like the same things. I've put a small play on Houston as well. I know St. Louis is a good team and the bullpen is excellent, but Lohse his recent starts has been inconsistent and continually pitches a run higher (ERA) on the road. Both him and Moehler have had miserable July's throughout career, however I'll take the hotter pitcher against an even sided matchup, IMO.

Moehler last 3 starts has been good, Last 2 outings in 08 were good at home and besides his outrocious 4 IP 12 ER he's been a 5-6 inning guy. Lohse has pitched well vs Houston but is it the hot Houston now?

Overall Card:

Large Plays: Boston
Medium Plays: Houston, KC, Milwaukee, Chicago, Washington
Small Play: Oakland, CHicago WSox

Looking at SFGiants as well. I know Hanson has been outstanding but -175 price tag. The market didn't even adjust at all to No hitter and dismissed all of it. SF is a punch and judy lineup that has won some games with smoke and mirrors but price may bid me a smaller wager.

Big Discrepancy in night games and day games in the Bronx and looking into Hernandez..

I valued the Cards at -110. This valuation was predicated on a 75% chance Berkman plays. It now looks like it will be far less. No other player, aside from possibly Hanley, has a value over replacement disparity higher than Berkman. The market has been indiffernet to this game all day. If they are not quick to react to the official info that Berkman is not playing, there may be some value in the Cards.

The market is sending the Braves higher. There may be some value in the Giants. Markets don't react much to no-hitters, oddsmakers do. In fact, in situations they deem books over reacted to no-hitters, the market will prefer to go the other way, as they deem a better chance of a letdown spot than a momentum builder from pitching a no-hitter (especially for young pithcers).

Line seems right in the Yankees game. If you think the ball carries better during the day in that park and think the market is ignoring this, then hidden value would be on the inferior lineup, as it de-maginfies any disparity. However, this park favors the hitters no matter day or night, and thus magnifies the hitters strengths, and adds to any disparity.
 

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Opening lines look very sharp for tommorrow. Was dissapointed to see Beckett open that big of a favorite. When I valued that game, it looked like the Red Sox would be a big play. Looks like books are not falling for Hunters fast start.
Teams that should beat the close on tommorrows card are the Royals and Reds. The market has already dropped the Royals 3% at Pinny. Looks like they are already telling oddsmakers stop overrating the Angels once again.
The Reds are also down 3% off Pinny's open. Oddsmakers simply set the price too high in this one. Line could drop another 10 cents.


Market sending the Red Sox down another 3% today in the last two hours. Expecting some more Red Sox money into the close.
 

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