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Hell of an idea. I did this a while back (before Black Friday, or whatever it was called) and after 3 months it was full of bad beats against me, and hardly any for me. Made me chuckle, and pissed me off even more. And no, I am not saying it is/was rigged, it was obviously just a bad stretch and a small sample size.


If you are getting a ton of good beats it probably means you are not a very good player because the only way you can get a good beat is if you have your money in the pot bad.
If you consistently get your money in bad you are not a good player.
 
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If you are getting a ton of good beats it probably means you are not a very good player because the only way you can get a good beat is if you have your money in the pot bad.
If you consistently get your money in bad you are not a good player.

Possibly. But for the more aggressive players (which I am one of) tend to have more action and have more money in the pot on a draw than the passive players...
 

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If you are getting a ton of good beats it probably means you are not a very good player because the only way you can get a good beat is if you have your money in the pot bad.
If you consistently get your money in bad you are not a good player.

This is not true. Good players get their money in good more often than bad, but it's still in bad quite a bit.

Possibly. But for the more aggressive players (which I am one of) tend to have more action and have more money in the pot on a draw than the passive players...

This. It is more tied to aggression than anything. Sometimes you get picked off making a bold move at a pot, and some of those times you get lucky.

I'll just put it this way. If you always have the best hand when you're putting chips into the pot, you're playing too tight and missing out on lots of opportunities for value.

Example, I might have QJs and due to the way the hand was played I am almost certain the guy holds a medium pocket pair on the turn of a 3 3 4 A board. So if I jam the turn, repping an ace and trying to get him to fold out 55-99, I'd say that is a good strong play. Now if the guy picks you off and calls, your money is now in bad, but it's not cause you're a bad player. If you spike a Q on the river...it's goes on the list. :toast:
 

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Clarification to above, it's a good solid play if (and only if) you can credibly represent an ace.

Sizing is also a consideration here, a 20k jam into a 3k pot is obviously not what you're going for here.
 

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This is not true. Good players get their money in good more often than bad, but it's still in bad quite a bit.



This. It is more tied to aggression than anything. Sometimes you get picked off making a bold move at a pot, and some of those times you get lucky.

I'll just put it this way. If you always have the best hand when you're putting chips into the pot, you're playing too tight and missing out on lots of opportunities for value.

Example, I might have QJs and due to the way the hand was played I am almost certain the guy holds a medium pocket pair on the turn of a 3 3 4 A board. So if I jam the turn, repping an ace and trying to get him to fold out 55-99, I'd say that is a good strong play. Now if the guy picks you off and calls, your money is now in bad, but it's not cause you're a bad player. If you spike a Q on the river...it's goes on the list. :toast:

I never said otherwise but good players have less good beats then bad players.
 

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I never said otherwise but good players have less good beats then bad players.

So my point was if you are writing in a notebook every time you get a good beat and every time you get a bad beat.
Over a million hands you will have more bad beats then good beats if you are a good player.

That is not debatable.
 

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So my point was if you are writing in a notebook every time you get a good beat and every time you get a bad beat.
Over a million hands you will have more bad beats then good beats if you are a good player.

That is not debatable.


And let me define a bad beat.
A bad beat is not having 1010 allin pre flop and getting beat by AK even though you are a slight favorite.
Coin flips don't count even for the person who has the slight edge.
 

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This is not true. Good players get their money in good more often than bad, but it's still in bad quite a bit.



This. It is more tied to aggression than anything. Sometimes you get picked off making a bold move at a pot, and some of those times you get lucky.

I'll just put it this way. If you always have the best hand when you're putting chips into the pot, you're playing too tight and missing out on lots of opportunities for value.

Example, I might have QJs and due to the way the hand was played I am almost certain the guy holds a medium pocket pair on the turn of a 3 3 4 A board. So if I jam the turn, repping an ace and trying to get him to fold out 55-99, I'd say that is a good strong play. Now if the guy picks you off and calls, your money is now in bad, but it's not cause you're a bad player. If you spike a Q on the river...it's goes on the list. :toast:


Yes I know you have to take your chances sometimes especially if you are player thats in it to win it.

Last night was a great example.

I had 14K chips in the Bovada 35K

It was about 5 mins before the 2nd break.
The chip leader of the tourney had 34K chips.
I was in 57th place out of 277 with 654 entrants.

I had J10H and called a raise of 900 which was 3x from the CL at the table who had 17k in chips.

Flop was 8H 9D 5H.
I had inside outside straight and FD.
I knew this guy either had a set or an over PP.
I was 100% positive of this.

He lead after the flop and shoved his entire stack at me.
This was a guy who knew he had a better hand then me but also knew his hand could detererate very quickly.

So I was 100% sure that if I called he would be ahead.
But at the same time I had a great draw.

Sometimes you have to go against the odds if the payoff is worth it.
If I call and win I'm 4th in chips with a dominate stack right before the bubble.

If I call and lose I'm out of the money and out of the tourney.

I made the call. I lost to his set of 99's and moved on.

I have won and lost this hand many times.

It has cost me some cashes but I have made many final tables playing hands like that.

The pot odds was very close.

I was 47% when I made the call but that was a chance I was willing to take for the reward if I would have won.

It cost me at least $117 for cashing but if I would have won the hand I would have been a contender for over 7K.
 

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that is not going against the odds, your OESD + FD is favored over an overpair and even money against a set.

if you are playing TJs you have to be willing to gii on that flop or you might as well dump it pf
 

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Might jump into the ring tonight while watching a lil foots!:aktion033
 

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I refuse to play anything over $5 until this ridiculous run of bad variance runs its course.

Built up a chip stack then lost AK to AQ all in preflop, bought back in, first hand I get JJ and shove pre (turbo and I only had 8bb to start) and get called by QT and he turns a queen.

Been like that for several days.

Will let it run its course at these limits...sigh
 

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I certainly feel your pain......probably gonna sit out another night. Still bummed about my 4th place finish the other night after being in command the whole tourney.
 

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Getting worse before it gets better.

2nd in chips in the 1200, JJ loses to 99 all in PF, KK loses to 55 all in preflop, AK loses to 25 all in preflop, and then JJ loses to K6 all in preflop. Those 4 hands happened in a 16 minute span to take me from 2nd in chips to out.
 

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