About 50% of your posts have also been bashing on Jason Campbell and comparing him to Byron Leftwich.
We get it. You think he's garbage.
Truth is, he can be effective in a short passing game offense. He's never going to be the guy the Redskins rely on to win the games. That's what Clinton Portis is for. As Clinton goes, the Redskins go.
It's almost similar to Eli's situation. Eli isn't asked to win games, and certainly doesn't have the numbers of an elite QB. The ridiculously good Giants running game wins them games. Let's look at Eli's stats against teams not in the St. Mary's School for the Deaf and Blind Division (NFC West):
149 for 253, 58%, 210 yds/game, 10 TDs, 8 INTs, Only 1 game with a QB rating higher than 88
We get it. You think he's garbage.
Truth is, he can be effective in a short passing game offense. He's never going to be the guy the Redskins rely on to win the games. That's what Clinton Portis is for. As Clinton goes, the Redskins go.
It's almost similar to Eli's situation. Eli isn't asked to win games, and certainly doesn't have the numbers of an elite QB. The ridiculously good Giants running game wins them games. Let's look at Eli's stats against teams not in the St. Mary's School for the Deaf and Blind Division (NFC West):
149 for 253, 58%, 210 yds/game, 10 TDs, 8 INTs, Only 1 game with a QB rating higher than 88
Anybody can be decent when they are throwing 1 yard passes to their RB, TE drag routes, and WR smoke screens.
Eli doesn't get sacked, and Eli directs traffic and calls audibles in the run game as well. Eli Manning and Jason Leftwhich is no comparison.
What you fail to understand, is that ELI is part of the reason WHY, the Giants run game works so well.
Eli doesn't get sacked, and Eli directs traffic and calls audibles in the run game as well. Eli Manning and Jason Leftwhich is no comparison.
What you fail to understand, is that ELI is part of the reason WHY, the Giants run game works so well.
Always wanted to ask you. Why is Chase Blackburn your avatar?
Eli Manning is one of the hardest QB's in the league to sack... Why? Because he doesn't have unblocked defenders running in at him. Why is that?
Because he knows how to read the blitz, and him and Shaun O'Hara call the right slides/bliz pick ups when Eli is waving his arms all round before the snap. Jason Campbell isn't even allowed to audible.
It's not like Eli just likes up and runs the play that Kevin Gilbride calls. Eli is fantastic at calling audibles. Turning passes into runs, runs into passes, run lefts into run rights based on what the defense shows him.
Opponents stack the box, Eli throws the ball.
Opponents play back, Eli calls a run to the weak side.
The Giants have 3 starting RBs? When Tiki Barber retired people thought the Giants are screwed. Jacobs is good, but Ward was cut from the Jets practice squad. I guarantee you he wouldn't be starting for any other NFL teams. There are plenty of other better backups than Derrick Ward, including your very own Laddell Betts.
Jason Campbell throws 50% of his passes to his RBs and TE. Over 50% of his passes are thrown negative, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 yards from the line of scrimage. He has the highest pct. of any other QB out there. He even has so many short passes to his WR's.
You say he doesn't have a lot of INT's. It is hard to throw INT's when you are throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 10.
Jason Campbell is a joke. If you don't see it you don't understand the QB position. I was saying the same shit about Byron, and now he has floated around the league like a whore. I said the same shit about Vick and now he's in jail.
Because he knows how to read the blitz, and him and Shaun O'Hara call the right slides/bliz pick ups when Eli is waving his arms all round before the snap. Jason Campbell isn't even allowed to audible.
It's not like Eli just likes up and runs the play that Kevin Gilbride calls. Eli is fantastic at calling audibles. Turning passes into runs, runs into passes, run lefts into run rights based on what the defense shows him.
Opponents stack the box, Eli throws the ball.
Opponents play back, Eli calls a run to the weak side.
The Giants have 3 starting RBs? When Tiki Barber retired people thought the Giants are screwed. Jacobs is good, but Ward was cut from the Jets practice squad. I guarantee you he wouldn't be starting for any other NFL teams. There are plenty of other better backups than Derrick Ward, including your very own Laddell Betts.
Jason Campbell throws 50% of his passes to his RBs and TE. Over 50% of his passes are thrown negative, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 yards from the line of scrimage. He has the highest pct. of any other QB out there. He even has so many short passes to his WR's.
You say he doesn't have a lot of INT's. It is hard to throw INT's when you are throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 10.
Jason Campbell is a joke. If you don't see it you don't understand the QB position. I was saying the same shit about Byron, and now he has floated around the league like a whore. I said the same shit about Vick and now he's in jail.
FACT: He throws 50% of his completions to a RB or a TE
The average pass to a RB is 1 yard before yards after catch.
The average pass to a TE is 5 yards before yards after catch
How do you feel about that? How risky do you think that is? How hard do you think that is to defend? If you want to know about his WR numbers, they are also primarily close to the line with tons of WR screens.
I watch every single redskins game. Do you? Do you think throwing 50% of your passes to a RB behind the line of S or a TE is hard to defend? Why do you think they lose to any decent defense they play?
The Redskins are 27th in points per game
I didn't say anything about you being wrong with your 50% number. I said you are stating that he is joke and trying to push it off as fact, when in reality it's an opinion.
Remember Eli's first 4 years as a starter in this league? He never had a season with more than a 77 passer rating over the course of the season. He was sacked nearly twice a game. He had a completion percentage lower than 55.
This is Jason's first year in (another) new system and only second year as a starter. I'm willing to give the guy at least a year under Zorn before I start writing him off.
As a Giants fan, I would think you would be inclined to do the same.
Remember Eli's first 4 years as a starter in this league? He never had a season with more than a 77 passer rating over the course of the season. He was sacked nearly twice a game. He had a completion percentage lower than 55.
This is Jason's first year in (another) new system and only second year as a starter. I'm willing to give the guy at least a year under Zorn before I start writing him off.
As a Giants fan, I would think you would be inclined to do the same.
Check out Kurt Warner in his prime w/ the Rams or even Tony Romo now. I bet you'll see 40-50% of their completions were to either a TE or a RB.
It all depends on the system you're in.
Look at Kyle Orton's pass ditribution..
Kyle Orton - 192 completions to...
**Backs and TEs** (109 times or 56.8%)
Matt Forte, RB - 40 times
Greg Olson, TE - 28 times
Desmond Clark, TE - 28 times
Jason McKie, FB - 10 times
Kevin Jones, RB - 2 times
Adrian Peterson, RB - 1 time
**Wide-Outs** (83 times 43.2%)
Devin Hester, WR - 27 times
Rashied David, WR - 27 times
Brandon Lloyd, WR - 18 times
Marty Booker, WR - 11 times
I will say this though, the Redskins receivers are a lot better than the Bears'.
It all depends on the system you're in.
Look at Kyle Orton's pass ditribution..
Kyle Orton - 192 completions to...
**Backs and TEs** (109 times or 56.8%)
Matt Forte, RB - 40 times
Greg Olson, TE - 28 times
Desmond Clark, TE - 28 times
Jason McKie, FB - 10 times
Kevin Jones, RB - 2 times
Adrian Peterson, RB - 1 time
**Wide-Outs** (83 times 43.2%)
Devin Hester, WR - 27 times
Rashied David, WR - 27 times
Brandon Lloyd, WR - 18 times
Marty Booker, WR - 11 times
I will say this though, the Redskins receivers are a lot better than the Bears'.
Kyle Orton doesn't have...
a Pro Bowl WR Santana Moss
the highest paid slot wr in the league Randel El
a 2nd round draft pick Kelly
a 2nd round draft pick Thomas
Puppy:
It is a fact that Campbell is in a low risk offense. I have posted stats to back that up.
There are many reasons for coaches to keep the work load light on young quarterbacks, and a lack of belief in them is a major reason why.
Eli Manning calls audibles and isn't in a low risk, dink and dunk offense. His QB rating was lower earlier in his career due to the harder offense full of audibles that was asked of him. Sort of like how Drew Brees didn't light the world on fire and one day just " got it". It takes time...
Campbell really isn't learning anything dropping back and throwing directly to his right or directly to his left.
a Pro Bowl WR Santana Moss
the highest paid slot wr in the league Randel El
a 2nd round draft pick Kelly
a 2nd round draft pick Thomas
Puppy:
It is a fact that Campbell is in a low risk offense. I have posted stats to back that up.
There are many reasons for coaches to keep the work load light on young quarterbacks, and a lack of belief in them is a major reason why.
Eli Manning calls audibles and isn't in a low risk, dink and dunk offense. His QB rating was lower earlier in his career due to the harder offense full of audibles that was asked of him. Sort of like how Drew Brees didn't light the world on fire and one day just " got it". It takes time...
Campbell really isn't learning anything dropping back and throwing directly to his right or directly to his left.
Oh and sorry.
I don't remember Warner and the greatest show on turf throwing tons of WR screens, RB screens, and TE drags. I remember the downfield passes. He did throw his check downs to Faulk, but they weren't all screens.
Romo doesn't throw 50% of his passes 0-5 yards past the LOS. Sorry. Romo is a real QB.
I don't remember Warner and the greatest show on turf throwing tons of WR screens, RB screens, and TE drags. I remember the downfield passes. He did throw his check downs to Faulk, but they weren't all screens.
Romo doesn't throw 50% of his passes 0-5 yards past the LOS. Sorry. Romo is a real QB.
its really not campbell if you know anything or watch them. they have done this same garbage even when joe gibbs was there. they dont throw the long ball and they dont attach the defense unless they are losing. they are a bland offense that yes throws to running backs and te but that has nothing to do with campbell. draft picks that arent even on the field cant be counted against him either. for whatever reason you hate jason is your thing but it really isnt jason thats some garbage its the play calling and the offense itself. I am a skins fan and bet with them or against them because i know so much about them. never play totals cause you never no what your going to get but spreads are simple with them. most times looks to easy and i hold back how much i play but yeah they need to get more aggresive and attach
For what it's worth, the 4 teams he played last year and went 4-0, 3 of them were ranked in the bottom half of the NFL is passing defense. The one team he played in the top half (Giants) he had a 59 passer rating, completing 32% of his passes. When he played against the 20th ranked passing defense in the playoffs, he performed terribly, throwing up a 69.
Both QBs had good spurts. Neither is greatly better than the other (as you seem to suggest).
He had a crappy QB rating againt the Giants because the game was in the meadowlands when there was 30 mph winds and it was cold. Both QB's had a horrible time with the cross cutting winds.
Collins kicked Minny out of the playoffs, he beat Dallas, the Giants, and the bears at home in another cold one.
Campbell was healthy enough to come back into as the starter but gibbs stuck with the Vet. Campbell had to take his ball and go home.
it's the west coast offense.
it's predicated on short passes. Yes,..it's lame,...yes it could have latent problems when you have to abandon it and ur offense isn't prepared to do so..
C-Gold is right in some aspects....it's hard to su-ck at QB throwing really short low risk passes.
So,...ur QB could be worse then the stats show as ur play is disquised as a WCO as it could hide inefficiencies.
It's a pretty simple and winning method in the NFL
establish run
lame short passes
play strong D
don't turn the ball over
very simple plan
wash simply cannot fall behind.
having this gameplan makes u a play-off team if u have the slightest bit of talent.
look at chad pennington...he makes bernie kosar look like a slinger..lol
it's predicated on short passes. Yes,..it's lame,...yes it could have latent problems when you have to abandon it and ur offense isn't prepared to do so..
C-Gold is right in some aspects....it's hard to su-ck at QB throwing really short low risk passes.
So,...ur QB could be worse then the stats show as ur play is disquised as a WCO as it could hide inefficiencies.
It's a pretty simple and winning method in the NFL
establish run
lame short passes
play strong D
don't turn the ball over
very simple plan
wash simply cannot fall behind.
having this gameplan makes u a play-off team if u have the slightest bit of talent.
look at chad pennington...he makes bernie kosar look like a slinger..lol
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