2015 Belmont Thoughts

[elevenblack301]

:howdy: Well, we made it another Belmont with another chance for a Triple Crown Champion.................could it be.............will I get to see another TC winner in my lifetime..........

If not, who's going to beat the Pharoah..............

First off, a big congrats again to American Pharoah................Espinoza took him out early in that slop and never looked back.............wise choice for that race..............another slow time ( after the slow Derby ) after early fast fractions.........................but it was an off track ?????

He always seems to get a 'good trip'..............or at least it looks that way.

:aktion033 The Preakness was good to us as we loved the # 5 Tale of Verve, and he came thru............making the exotics not too shabby...............can he do it again ?

Or will Frosted be the one, maybe Muby..............as he is bred to run all day and then some............

We will see in a couple of weeks.................

Be well all......going to be exciting..........

 

[Kaboom]

:howdy: Well, we made it another Belmont with another chance for a Triple Crown Champion.................could it be.............will I get to see another TC winner in my lifetime..........

If not, who's going to beat the Pharoah..............

First off, a big congrats again to American Pharoah................Espinoza took him out early in that slop and never looked back.............wise choice for that race..............another slow time ( after the slow Derby ) after early fast fractions.........................but it was an off track ?????

He always seems to get a 'good trip'..............or at least it looks that way.

:aktion033 The Preakness was good to us as we loved the # 5 Tale of Verve, and he came thru............making the exotics not too shabby...............can he do it again ?

Or will Frosted be the one, maybe Muby..............as he is bred to run all day and then some............

We will see in a couple of weeks.................

Be well all......going to be exciting..........

Frosted wins this baby/ I may play some gimmicks with a few others on top ... Not sire if AP is ITM ...... No horse ...since 1992 has come in the money with a stat that AP has in his pedigree . Numbers don't lie , but streaks do end , so AP might be the streak buster . .... I'm putting AP in 2nd place in 1 bet / 3rd place in 2 others / 4th place in all my super's or high five's ...

Eleven ... normally I would share my info on Pedigrees , but I'm not going to in this race , due to all the AP love .

Good Luck bro and trust me on this .. AP will not win ... I'll eat some crow if he does , but he won't ..

 

[elevenblack301]

Frosted wins this baby/ I may play some gimmicks with a few others on top ... Not sire if AP is ITM ...... No horse ...since 1992 has come in the money with a stat that AP has in his pedigree . Numbers don't lie , but streaks do end , so AP might be the streak buster . .... I'm putting AP in 2nd place in 1 bet / 3rd place in 2 others / 4th place in all my super's or high five's ...

Eleven ... normally I would share my info on Pedigrees , but I'm not going to in this race , due to all the AP love .

Good Luck bro and trust me on this .. AP will not win ... I'll eat some crow if he does , but he won't ..

Kaboom,

Going to follow your lead.....................don't think he will win also..................if he does it's history...........if he doesn't , then decent payouts..

Will also have Frosted on all of my plays....................he was one of my derby horses so i'll stick with him

 

[Kaboom]

Kaboom,

Going to follow your lead.....................don't think he will win also..................if he does it's history...........if he doesn't , then decent payouts..

Will also have Frosted on all of my plays....................he was one of my derby horses so i'll stick with him

Just a small angle I will share , but you may know this , already ???

Every Triple Crown Winner (11 of them ) had at least one race over the Belmont Track before completing the Triple Crown

with a win at the Belmont Stakes .... AMERICAN PHAROAH HAS NO RACES AT BELMONT PRIOR TO THE BELMONT STAKES ..

I have much more than this ...but this one is a cool stat ...

 

[elevenblack301]

Kaboom,

Yep, remember that one........................if you have time would love to hear some of the other stats and tidbits....................always like to hear new stuff..

Thanks...................

 

[Kaboom]

Kaboom,

Yep, remember that one........................if you have time would love to hear some of the other stats and tidbits....................always like to hear new stuff..

Thanks...................

I figured you heard of that TC stat , the others I have is various Pedigree stuff , I really don't want it out there , because people may use the info to make money on it . Yes , I believe it's that good ... I'm not touting it out , as well , but hey no matter what my numbers show , the race is mostly luck , anyways .. Good luck this year !!! One horse I'm struggling with is Mubtaahij , not enough info on him in America , therefore I'm struggling to leave him off on top of my gimmicks . A Foreign horse has won the Belmont 9 times

Foreign-born winners[edit]

• 1874 – Saxon
• 1898 – Bowling Brook
• 1917 – Hourless
• 1918 – Johren
• 1957 – Gallant Man
• 1958 – Cavan
• 1960 – Celtic Ash
• 1990 – Go And Go
• 1998 – Victory Gallop
• I'm also struggling with Carpe Diem , somewhat , and may use him on top , but unsure ... Your thoughts on Mubtaahij and Carpe Diem ?

 

[elevenblack301]

Kaboom,

I like Muby more than I like Carpe Diem..........................

I think now that Muby has been in the states for a couple of months or so, he should be more acclimated, more rested, more comfortable ....................It is so tough to fly from Dubai, sit in quarantine etc.....and then try to run in the Derby..................just not good at all..................

But the Belmont is another story, and I believe he will relish the 1 1/2 miles.............this horse is bred to run and run and run............

Carpe Diem, I didn't think much of him before, and just don't like him for one reason or another...............but that may change as I begin to look at all of the contenders more closely this week.

Be well, my friend, and enjoy the weekend..............

 

[Kaboom]

Kaboom,

I like Muby more than I like Carpe Diem..........................

I think now that Muby has been in the states for a couple of months or so, he should be more acclimated, more rested, more comfortable ....................It is so tough to fly from Dubai, sit in quarantine etc.....and then try to run in the Derby..................just not good at all..................

But the Belmont is another story, and I believe he will relish the 1 1/2 miles.............this horse is bred to run and run and run............

Carpe Diem, I didn't think much of him before, and just don't like him for one reason or another...............but that may change as I begin to look at all of the contenders more closely this week.

Be well, my friend, and enjoy the weekend..............

I'm off Carpe Diem ... just using him in the 4th and 5th positions in my super and high five ... I'm on Frosted and Mubtaahij on Top of all my gimmicks .. This is hilarious , the posts are not even drawn and I have all my bets ready for wagering ... I'll be Vegas to watch the race ... pretty pumped about that ..

I wagered $75 with - 105 juice AP will not win ... yea , eating crow if AP wins ...

Have a great weekend bud ...

 

[Willye]

Materiality and crpe diem for me

frosted slight nod also

 

[elevenblack301]

Materiality and crpe diem for me

frosted slight nod also

Now Materiality might get a piece..................almost forgot about him......................had a rough derby trip..............

 

[Willye]

Yea hes my top choice in the belmont, fresh and pedigree fits

 

[Greenbacks]

American Pharoah will toy with the Belmont field who ever they are.

Triple Crown Winner!

 

[elevenblack301]

hno: Here are the possible contenders with less than 2 weeks to go.........and their current odds..........


American Pharoah ( 4-5 )

Carpe Diem (12-1)

Frosted (4-1 )

Materiality (7-1)

Mubtaahij (15-1)

Keen Ice (20-1)

Madefromlucky (18-1)

Frammento (35-1)

Conquest Curlinate (40-1)

Tale of Verve (35-1)

War Story (30-1)

...........Be well all..................

 

[wabashwonders]

I was on Keen Ice in the Derby and like him to be in the mix here. Frosted, Materiality, and Keen Ice were the only horses showing any late interest in the Derby. With all 3 well rested now, I look for them all to run well in the Belmont.

 

[elevenblack301]

:think2: Been watching Pharoah work these last 10 days or so......................and I must say that he looks good...............looks like it comes so natural to him........and he looks like he can/will be the Triple Crown winner everyone is waiting for.............

I only see one stumbling block...................could be a little one.......but he , as far as I know has not set a 'hoof' on the Belmont track.............think he is being shipped to NY on Tuesday and then he will just jog around..........I believe this is a mistake....................that Belmont oval could be very daunting...................and may just swallow up a newcomer..............but who knows

The contenders which I am looking at very closely, that may knock the champ off are................

----- Frosted - 4th in the Derby and was bringing it down the strecth
----- Keen Ice - think he will relish this distance
----- Materiality - had a bad Derby trip but still finished 6th behind a good stretch run
----- Muby - this horse is just bred for this distance........

Well.......just about a week to go...

Be well all........................

 

[rbrown1982]

Interesting stat: 2 year old champions are 13/13 to hit the board in Belmont since 1950. 2yr old champs win Belmont 60% in that same timeframe. I don't think he'll win, but barring an injury or major trouble, 100% ITM is a nice stat. I think every contender can hit the board, so keying 3 others with ALL should get the job done

 

[elevenblack301]

Interesting stat: 2 year old champions are 13/13 to hit the board in Belmont since 1950. 2yr old champs win Belmont 60% in that same timeframe. I don't think he'll win, but barring an injury or major trouble, 100% ITM is a nice stat. I think every contender can hit the board, so keying 3 others with ALL should get the job done

rbrown,

Thanks for that little tidbit..............didn't know that stat....................let's see if it 'holds serve' come Saturday.

Be well......and best of luck to you..............

 

[Kaboom]

rbrown,

Thanks for that little tidbit..............didn't know that stat....................let's see if it 'holds serve' come Saturday.

Be well......and best of luck to you..............

Sent you a private message bro ...

 

[Kaboom]

Interesting stat: 2 year old champions are 13/13 to hit the board in Belmont since 1950. 2yr old champs win Belmont 60% in that same timeframe. I don't think he'll win, but barring an injury or major trouble, 100% ITM is a nice stat. I think every contender can hit the board, so keying 3 others with ALL should get the job done

My kind of stat ... good luck bro .... I'll throw AP for third in one ticket ...

Another solid stat is jockey Espinoza 2 for 68 mounts in the win column at Belmont ..

 

[elevenblack301]

Sent you a private message bro ...

Kaboom,

An interesting read................thanks and much appreciated...................hope you are on to something here, cause if Pharoah falters.........some huge exotics.........