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Guys - if we are going to keep this thread going we need a better name than "Discussion". Any suggestions?


Onto the games...

One of the things I initially look at are opening lines and try to let the line speak to me. It won't ever be the sole reason for making a play but in my opinion you must take the position that the linesmaker knows more than you. Check these three out:


Anaheim: Calgary is 28-20-5-3 and 15-11-4-1 at home. Anaheim is 18-23-8-7 and 6-16-2-4 on the road. Calgary is only -120 on the puck-line????

Anaheim UNDER 5: These two teams have had games which have been filling the nets with such regularity that if it was the norm we wouldn't be talking rule changes in hockey. You can get OVER 5 at +127 @ Pinnacle?????

Vancouver OVER 5.5: This is as close as your going to get to a total of 6 in an NHL game as Pinnacle has OVER 5.5 @ -130. Enough said.


I know my contrarian side is coming out here but I wanted to point these out to get the weekend hockey started. OK guys - let's bring the trends, injuries, goalie information, & other insight strong!
 

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Fri 2/13 51 Los Angeles Kings +0.5 -113 +125 OVER 5 +105
05:05 PM 52 Buffalo Sabres -0.5 +103 -135 UNDER 5 -115
Fri 2/13 53 Edmonton Oilers +0.5 -129 +110 OVER 4.5 -103
05:05 PM 54 Minnesota Wild -0.5 +119 -120 UNDER 4.5 -107
Fri 2/13 55 Washington Capitals +0.5 +145 +191 OVER 5 -120
05:05 PM 56 Nashville Predators -0.5 -155 -211 UNDER 5 +110
Fri 2/13 57 Anaheim Mighty Ducks +0.5 +110 +153 OVER 5 +125
06:05 PM 58 Calgary Flames -0.5 -120 -165 UNDER 5 -135
Fri 2/13 59 New York Islanders +0.5 -138 -105 OVER 5 -130
06:05 PM 60 Phoenix Coyotes -0.5 +128 -105 UNDER 5 +120
Fri 2/13 61 Atlanta Thrashers +0.5 +185 +280 OVER 5.5 -132
07:05 PM 62 Vancouver Canucks -0.5 -205 -310 UNDER 5.5 +122
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Calgary is only -120 on the puck-line???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the ML for the same game is -165 so it shows us the tremendous value of the 1/2 goal...

I like this angle
ANA Over 5 + 125
Pho Under 5 + 120
Vanc Under 5.5 + 122

anyone see the common thread in these plays?
 

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Some days I look at the card and nothing looks clear. Others and I want to bet every game from every angle. Today was one of those from the latter. After much narrowing down I offer the following…..


New York Islanders PK -105

(This is a 1 1/2 unit play for me).
I’m a believer. I’ve watched this team play for the last two weeks and they could be the most underrated team in the league. At least they were by me.

Goalie Rick DiPietro is simply in one of those stretches. At present DiPietro is what, (his opponent tonight), Boucher was a month ago. Hot as a pistol and able to (A) carry a team and (B) inspire the mates around him to raise their game to a higher level. He has lost only one game of his last 8 starts while playing in spectacular fashion, giving up a paltry 15 goals for a 1.88 GAA. He should get his regular turn tonight.

The Islanders look to finish their four game road trip tonight with a 2-1-1 mark and head back home securely in the 8th and last play off spot of the east. However with the Canadian loss last night they come into this game only three points out of seventh and could be one slim point away from that before they head to the airport. The Islanders have lost only three of their last 13, and two of those loses were when Garth Snow was between the pipes. Additionally that streak wasn’t made against the bottom feeders of the NHL. They beat and/or tied powerhouses like Ottawa, Boston, Vancouver, Colorado, and Dallas.

Phoenix on the other hand is still within sight of a post season birth but the dim light at the end of their tunnel appears to be a train.
Phoenix’s and Brian Boucher’s seasons have unraveled in parallel fashion. In the Coyotes last 12 games they have won once, (1-9-2). Boucher was in net for 8 of those games and the team surrendered 30 goals for a 3.75 GAA. His backup Sean Burke didn’t fare much better and now he looks for greener pastures in Philadelphia.
Phoenix has numerous injuries with right wing particularly vulnerable.



Washington/Nashville Over 5 -115

Nashville looks to get back in the win column and no better place for them to do so than at home and against the Washington Capitals. I would take them as prohibitive favorites but really the best value here is the total. (although the side is no bad thing to consider here and that was one of those “narrowing down“ propositions)

Their All-Star goalie Tomas Vokoun has been struggling allowing 27 goals in his last 7 games with 5 of those games going over the total, 5-1-1. It’s possible seldom used back up Chris Mason could get the start but either way you have to figure that the Capitals will find the back of the net at least twice in this game.
The real key to this total is Washington’s inability to keep the biscuit out of their own basket and a Predator squad that will take out three weeks of frustration on them. Washington has a GAA on the road of 3.29 and you can bet that number will suffer a bit of inflation after their trip to Music City.


Calgary Flames -.5 -120
Anaheim/Calgary Over 5 +127

Miikka Kiprusoff is back, Jarome Iginla is on one of his patented scoring streaks, and the Saddledome will be rocking tonight.

The Ducks have gone over the total 7 of their last 8 while losing 4 of those games. Anaheim has lost all confidence in last season’s miracle man Jean-Sebastien Giguere and any chance of making the play offs while handing the reigns over to Martin Gerber. Hard to say which is the lesser of evils here.

Calgary has gone over their total 5 of their last 7, (5-1-1). And have won 4 of their last 5.
Twelve days ago Anaheim came into Calgary and lost 6-4. The Gerber/Giguere tag team combined to allow almost as many goals as saves. (6 goals/16 saves)
Look for a similar sequel tonight.


Atlanta/Vancouver Over 5.5 -130

Atlanta averages 2.64 goals scored on the road and gives up 3.57. They are 18-8-2 O/U/P on the road this year. And unfortunately for them this game marks their third of seven straight on the road.
Atlanta’s last five have all gone over the number. Having Heatley back to compliment superstar Ilya Kovalchuk and getting his game speed back only helps their commitment and game plan of winning by out scoring the opposition. Although so far they seem much more adept at charity. They say it is better to give than to receive and if so the Thrashers are at their very best. They have given up 5 goals in each of the last 5 games and four the game before that.

Vancouver at home scores 3.04 and allows 2.52. They have gone 6-2-2 O/U/P in their last 10 with a average of 6.2 goals scored.

This game will be a shootout and if they put up a number of six on this I’d still be confident of the play. By the way….last year in the only meeting of these two at Vancouver the Canucks walked away with a 8-0 whitewash.


RX NHL to Date.....8-0-0

NHL to Date 52-33-3 + 19.19
1 ½ Unit Plays 2-0-0 + 3.0
 

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Regarding the statement on the lines maker knowing more than we do….
Normally B&G I couldn’t agree more. But in my years of betting on all sports I have found that lines on Hockey often make little sense and I attribute it too lack of serious interest. By the general public and subsequently by the odds maker.
I don’t think they are trying to trap us, as has been done with subtle line placements of 2 ½ or 3 ½ for football. I don’t think the handle that the NHL generates merits any effort on their part to out fox us like it would for say Monday Night Football.

Personally I think they offer hockey for no other reason than to say they offer hockey.

To me I’ve always been successful at hockey (and baseball) and I would attribute that to the fact that in the long run both sports are much more predictable than any others and run true to form. I like that hockey and baseball fly under the bookmakers radar. Let’s keep a low profile and keep those cashing tickets.
(real quietly)



As far as the title to this thread…I think discussion is perfect as long as we continue to do just that.

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Last thing B&G...
I do understand what you're saying about looking at the opening lines and letting them "speak to you" as I used to do the same.
But eventually I found that just created more static in the reception , second guessing, and over analysis that needed to occur. Today I keep it simple.

I look at tomorrow’s games today before the lines come out and give the card my own lines. Then I have something concrete to base my selections on and instead of wavering on my original beliefs I can quickly select the anomalies, shop for the best numbers/odds, and get down early before the line moves. With this system I take advantage of what I consider is the lines maker’s lack of diligence in doing his job.

It seems to work more often than not.

GL to all today

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Over several years of betting NHL hockey I have noticed in the past that after the allstar break the favorites seem to win at a greater clip & by a greater margin than before the allstar game...not sure why this is? Perhpas just the cream rising to the top?
 

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MY Plays - 2/13 Friday

Vegas Vic is kicking some butt posting his plays in this thread so I'll do the same instead of starting a new one. I found a ton of plays I liked as well and did not do a great job narrowing down so here we go:


YTD: Plays range 1-3 units

90-86-26 51.14% +9.19U



Vancouver -1/2 & Nashville -1/2 Parlay
1.00/1.37

I did not want to lay the heavy wood in either matchup so I threw them together. I do not see Atlanta as able to keep up with Vancouver at the rate Atlanta is allowing goals. Washington had an OT game on the road last night and now has to play again on the road. Nashville 17-7 home vs. Washington 8-17 away. Nashville is also 16-7 on 1 day rest, 10-4 ATS as a favorite vs. Washington who is 10-23 ATS as underdog.

Minnesota UNDER 4.5
2.20/2.00

Line movement to the UNDER in this game and for good reason. The last 4 meetings have gone UNDER. Both teams are 4-13 UNDER in the division as well.

Washington/Nashville OVER 5
2.30/2.00

Vic covered this pretty well as he is on this game as well. I will add that Nashville is 16-9 OVER on 1 day's rest.

Anaheim/Calgary UNDER 5 1.35/1.00

65% of Anaheim's road games go UNDER & 65% of Calgary's home games go UNDER so the odds are in our favor.

Anaheim +1/2
1.00/1.15

Both teams have won two in a row but this looks like a classic flat spot for Calgary. They are coming off a big road win @ Vancouver and now return home to play Anaheim. Like I stated before, looks WAY too easy to take Calgary -1/2 goal at reasonable odds so I'll take Anaheim with a 1/2 puck to get us some plus $$ even in a tie.

New York Islanders/Phoenix OVER 5
1.30/1.00

I think the Phoenix goalies are already using 10 inch goalie pads. Phoenix has allowed 5 goals/game last 3 so getting to 5 for both teams seems very reasonable here. NYI are 17-7 OVER on 1 day's rest.

Atlanta/Vancouver OVER 5.5
1.30/1.00

Michael Vick's late TD isn't enough to beat Vancouver in this score-fest.

ADD:

Phoenix ML
1.00/1.01

[This message was edited by Black & Gold on February 13, 2004 at 06:28 PM.]
 

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trend plays guys, buffalo (LA dont win at buff)
PHX (they have owned isles)
Edm (edge over minny)
Edm/Minn under. this year.
Cal/Ana over. this year.

havent selected my card yet, guys please read my post in offshore forum (top one here) about the Yzerman stick and comment.. thanks..
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SportSavant:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Calgary is only -120 on the puck-line???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the ML for the same game is -165 so it shows us the tremendous value of the 1/2 goal...

I like this angle
ANA Over 5 + 125
Pho Under 5 + 120
Vanc Under 5.5 + 122

anyone see the common thread in these plays?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Savant - what is the common thread?
 

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you got it SSI, now I havent Bet these as of yet, but it is an engle I employ from time to time...

SImilar to the other nite when I bet the 5 games all with + juice.
 

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I was looking for something a little more in-depth than that but yes, we do have positive juice there fellas.
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leans for tonight.

Buff (Ml -1.40)
Edm +1/2 (-1.30)
Nash/Wash over 5.
Ana/Cal over 5.
Phoenix (Ml even)
Van -1/2 (- the juice).

didnt play them all, just my opinions on a rather slow night, ill post my play in savants thread.
 

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vegas vic, saw you picked isles, any thoughts on their 3 games in 4 nights and the fact they have never won in Phx and the isles are winless in last 9 against phx.. im not on phx, just discussing..
 

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SSI - I think the Minny/Edmonton game has a very good chance to end in a low-scoring tie so you are getting good value with that 1/2 goal. I did see a stat or a trend in this game that I thought was significant however: Minny is 6-1 on 2 days rest this year. I think that is significant if a team is 3 games under .500 overall. I would lean to Minny at home if I had to pick a side but I don't & won't.

You have reinforced the same thoughts I was having on Phoenix game which is one I had initially left off but may have to add b/c I will kick myself for not playing it if it wins now. I think Phoenix is laying the 1/2 puck for good reason in this spot. I have ended up with a large card tonight which I am not fond of doing in hockey but there is a lot to like on the surface tonight.
 

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edm: 13-3-4 all time in series, has to count for something. i may play the atl/van game over but that depends on what time i get back in and if edm has won then ill probably pass.. i think buffalo will win but ive won a little money on LA and hate to go against teams that ive a little on.. I think the preds will win tonight, they had a players only meeting to hash out some things and have been a good home team but their vibe is bad right now.. I simply like taking the hot team over the cold team. Or i like to bet teams that are hot and against teams that are cold, more than anything else.. Guess i believe an object in motion will stay in motion..
 

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SSI…All of the above concerns me but not enough to convince me that DiPietro isn’t rested and capable of shutting down a Coyote squad that has been spiraling out of control ever since Boucher stopped pitching shut outs. Their goalie situation is in shambles. Boucher ,(and the defense in front of him) is less than ordinary and the Hunter line for the N.Y. will solve him easily.
DiPietro is the real deal and not the temporary fix that Boucher will show he was in time.

As far as never winning in Phoenix? What is N.Y.‘s record at Glendale?

The three games in four nights would be more of a concern if this was the second in two nights but with a day off yesterday and two days off for DiPietro it’s nothing that can’t be overcome.

Bottom line is Phoenix is just plain bad. They have little to fight for. Their front office is beginning the auction and sending the messege…wait till next year. Meanwhile N.Y. is jellin’ like a felon and peaking at the right time. They have everything to fight for here. Maybe they read the papers too and are tired of hearing how they haven’t beaten Phoenix in the last nine…never won in Phoenix…bla bla bla?
Two teams going in opposite directions.

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[This message was edited by VegasVic on February 13, 2004 at 07:46 PM.]
 

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By the way what is Phoenix's record at Glendale?
 

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Vancouver really messed things up tonight didn't they?

Oh well, 2 winning nights in a row..I'll take it.

4-4 +2.00U

YTD: Plays range 1-3 units

94-90-26 51.09% +11.19U
 

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