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I've read at least 10 news stories regarding the release of the official autopsy report. None of them mention this supposed black eye.
Are denying that the story I posted did not say that Martin had bruising around his eye? And I nor the story said it was a black eye like you said. You MADE that up!!!
 
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Name one thing. Just one thing I've made up here. Give it a go.
you just made up that the story I just showed you said he had a black eye. You made that up. It says and I said no such thing. I said he had a bruised eye. You made up the black eye
 

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By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SENI TIENABESO @senijr_abc) and COLLEEN CURRY

May 17, 2012

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witne...ermans-version/story?id=16371852#.T7cTOcUmXIU



Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.

The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.

It has been such a contentious case that even the evidence is being disputed.

The police report states that Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically calling for help that it was not his son calling for help.

But Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father, claims that is not true. The Martin family lawyer Ben Crump told ABC News that Tracy Martin initially listened to a distorted version of the 911 calls and said he could not identify the voice. But when he listened to a second tape that had been "cleaned," "He immediately broke down in tears because he knew it was his son calling for help," Crump said.

The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.

Surveillance video of Martin in a store purchasing skittles right before the fatal incident was also released today.

Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's gun.

The documents start with a criticism of Zimmerman's decision to follow the teenager, who Zimmerman said was looking suspicious.

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement," an investigating officer wrote.

Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin.

Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a battered nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.

"Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.

Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken."

Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.

"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.

The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.

Yet another witness described the confrontation in emotional terms.

The witness heard "someone yelling, almost crying. Then I heard a gunshot." The witness wrote that he or she "saw a man on top of a guy laying on the ground. He was putting his hands on his neck or chest."

The man asked the witness to call 911.

"He stood up and took a couple steps away and put his hands on his head and then walked back over to the guy on the ground. He looked at him for a minute, then started to walk away toward the road. That is when the police walked up," the witness wrote.

The lead investigator on the case, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin."

Martin's death sparked public outrage after police released Zimmerman without any criminal charges for the killing. Zimmerman was later charged with second-degree murder, and the killing provoked widespread debate about racial profiling.

The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.

Martin's autopsy report also revealed that there was a quarter-inch by half-inch abrasion on the left fourth finger of Martin, another indication of a possible struggle.

The teen, who lived in Miami, was in Sanford while serving a suspension for an empty marijuana bag discovered in his possession. Martin had THC, the drug found in marijuana, in his blood on the night of his death, according to the autopsy. His family told ABC News that it was "trace amounts" of THC.

NOW, PROVE ONE THING I'VE SAID IS UNTRUE.
 

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Are denying that the story I posted did not say that Martin had bruising around his eye? And I nor the story said it was a black eye like you said. You MADE that up!!!

Your reading comprehension is so goddamn horrible it's actually embarrassing if you have a high school education. I DID NOT SAY ONE THING, NOT ONE ABOUT THE STORY YOU POSTED. GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER.
 

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you just made up that the story I just showed you said he had a black eye. You made that up. It says and I said no such thing. I said he had a bruised eye. You made up the black eye

Again, no I didn't. I said I've read 10 news stories and not one mentioned this bruised eye. READ CAREFULLY AND FOLLOW ALONG. HAVE YOUR LITTLE BROTHER READ THE POSTS TO YOU IF YOU NEED TO.
 

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possible. My point is we don't know for sure yet some on here insist that Martin started the fight even though they really don't know.

We do know that Martin responded to Z and said "well, you have a problem now." What does that tell you ballwashwonder?
 
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Again, no I didn't. I said I've read 10 news stories and not one mentioned this bruised eye. READ CAREFULLY AND FOLLOW ALONG. HAVE YOUR LITTLE BROTHER READ THE POSTS TO YOU IF YOU NEED TO.
Here is what you said in post #382 Now did you say black eye or bruised eye?


I've read at least 10 news stories regarding the release of the official autopsy report. None of them mention this supposed black eye.
 
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We do know that Martin responded to Z and said "well, you have a problem now." What does that tell you ballwashwonder?
Tells me i'm done with you because are a fucking LOON!!!!!


And by the way, you are an obvious racist!!!
 

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Here is what you said in post #382 Now did you say black eye or bruised eye?


I've read at least 10 news stories regarding the release of the official autopsy report. None of them mention this supposed black eye.

Black eye or bruised eye. Whatever it says in your article. I did not respond to you and mention the article you posted. Did not mention it. Not once. I'm not saying it's made up. I said I've read 10 news articles regarding the autopsy and not one mentions Martin's eye injury.
 

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I don't have any side here.but if I'm on the jury there is no way in the world I could convict
This man because of all the unanswered questions. Any kind of defense lawyer will prove there is reasonable doubt.
I think everyone is just wasting time otherwise.
 

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LOL Douche. Post 376 wasn't even written by me. You guys can't even get your shit together. Good god.

You brain dead putz, the poster quoted you and pointed out that you have no way of knowing who assaulted whom first-that's what "first sentence" referred to. Understand? ##):pointer::tongue2::ohno:
 

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Tells me i'm done with you because are a fucking LOON!!!!!


And by the way, you are an obvious racist!!!

You guys are all the same. You guys just get buried in these conversations and when all else fails you get pissed off and claim the poster is a racist. Despite our disagreements, I don't think you're a racist. A little misinformed and led astray by the liberal press that wanted to prosecute without all the information first but not a racist.
 

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You brain dead putz, the poster quoted you and pointed out that you have no way of knowing who assaulted whom first-that's what "first sentence" referred to. Understand? ##):pointer::tongue2::ohno:

Yeah, I didn't write post 376. I think it's pretty obvious who assaulted who first when Martin said "well, you have a problem now." In the police report it indicates Zimmerman's backside was wet and grassy and two witnesses say Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up. 911 call indicates Zimmerman screamed for help 14 times. Who assaulted who? You tell me.

By the way, all of that information is cited for your reading pleasure in post #390. Feel free to point out what information is incorrect.
 

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By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SENI TIENABESO @senijr_abc) and COLLEEN CURRY

May 17, 2012

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witne...ermans-version/story?id=16371852#.T7cTOcUmXIU



Two police reports written the night that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin said that Zimmerman had a bloody face and nose, according to police reports made public today.

The reports also note that two witness accounts appear to back up Zimmerman's version of what happened when they describe a man on his back with another person wearing a hoodie straddling him and throwing punches.

It has been such a contentious case that even the evidence is being disputed.

The police report states that Trayvon Martin's father told an investigator after listening to 911 tapes that captured a man's voice frantically calling for help that it was not his son calling for help.

But Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father, claims that is not true. The Martin family lawyer Ben Crump told ABC News that Tracy Martin initially listened to a distorted version of the 911 calls and said he could not identify the voice. But when he listened to a second tape that had been "cleaned," "He immediately broke down in tears because he knew it was his son calling for help," Crump said.

The new information is part of a trove of documents released by the Florida State Attorney today in the case against Zimmerman, who is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old African American male.

Surveillance video of Martin in a store purchasing skittles right before the fatal incident was also released today.

Zimmerman, 28, is a multi-racial Hispanic man who volunteered for the neighborhood watch committee who claimed that he shot Martin in self-defense after the 6-foot tall, 160 pound teenager knocked him to the ground, banged his head against the ground and went for Zimmerman's gun.

The documents start with a criticism of Zimmerman's decision to follow the teenager, who Zimmerman said was looking suspicious.

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement," an investigating officer wrote.

Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin.

Two police officers reported that when they arrived at the scene of the shooting, Zimmerman seemed to have a battered nose and bloodied face. One wrote that his "facial area was bloodied," and the back of his clothing was soiled with wet grass.

"Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head," Officer Ricardo Ayala wrote.

Another officer wrote, "I saw that Zimmerman's face was bloodied and it appeared to me that his nose was broken."

Witnesses, whose names were redacted from the report, also lent support to Zimmerman's version of what happened.

"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police.

The documents state that Zimmerman can be heard yelling for help 14 times on a 911 call recorded during the fight.

Yet another witness described the confrontation in emotional terms.

The witness heard "someone yelling, almost crying. Then I heard a gunshot." The witness wrote that he or she "saw a man on top of a guy laying on the ground. He was putting his hands on his neck or chest."

The man asked the witness to call 911.

"He stood up and took a couple steps away and put his hands on his head and then walked back over to the guy on the ground. He looked at him for a minute, then started to walk away toward the road. That is when the police walked up," the witness wrote.

The lead investigator on the case, Officer Christopher Serino, wrote that Zimmerman could be heard "yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin."

Martin's death sparked public outrage after police released Zimmerman without any criminal charges for the killing. Zimmerman was later charged with second-degree murder, and the killing provoked widespread debate about racial profiling.

The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle.

Martin's autopsy report also revealed that there was a quarter-inch by half-inch abrasion on the left fourth finger of Martin, another indication of a possible struggle.

The teen, who lived in Miami, was in Sanford while serving a suspension for an empty marijuana bag discovered in his possession. Martin had THC, the drug found in marijuana, in his blood on the night of his death, according to the autopsy. His family told ABC News that it was "trace amounts" of THC.

NOW, PROVE ONE THING I'VE SAID IS UNTRUE.

First of all, where does it say that Martin assaulted Zimmerman first-other than from the person accused of murder? Secondly, notice the comment "It has
been such a contentious case that even the evidence is being disputed." more evidence that the people investigating aren't sure yet what happened, let alone a clown like YOU. Third, you keep droning about "10 report" and showed one, very unclear one. Where are the other 9, Mr. Produce your sources?
 

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Yeah, I didn't write post 376. I think it's pretty obvious who assaulted who first when Martin said "well, you have a problem now." In the police report it indicates Zimmerman's backside was wet and grassy and two witnesses say Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up. 911 call indicates Zimmerman screamed for help 14 times. Who assaulted who? You tell me.

By the way, all of that information is cited for your reading pleasure in post #390. Feel free to point out what information is incorrect.

As Yogi Berra said, deja vu all over again. I refer to the earlier statement of a poster who said, are you REALLY that fucking stupid??? How is who ends up on the bottom of a fight proof of who STARTED it????????????? And, any comment on the following observation of the report?

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement," an investigating officer wrote."
 

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As Yogi Berra said, deja vu all over again. I refer to the earlier statement of a poster who said, are you REALLY that fucking stupid??? How is who ends up on the bottom of a fight proof of who STARTED it????????????? And, any comment on the following observation of the report?

"The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement," an investigating officer wrote."

And avoidable had Martin not physically attacked Zimmerman but whatever you want to believe. Guy walks up to another guy on the sidewalk and that of course gives him the right to punch him in the nose and beat him on the sidewalk. I swear, only on the RX do you get this much stupidity from guys talking about topics they know nothing about.
 

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