All Things, Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman

[akphidelt]

I feel like trying to teach a disable kid how to ride a bike.

What do you mean you don't care who confronted who? You keep crying that Zimmerman confronted Martin but have admitted that it's possible it could've happened differently.

Ok, let me make this very elementary for you. Let's say you're right and Zimmerman was pursuing Martin. Your big thing is that little Trayvon was so scared because he was being pursued but WHAT IF ZIMMERMAN STOPPED AND MARTIN THEN PURSUED ZIMMERMAN? YOU DON'T KNOW. All of a sudden, Martin put himself in that situation.

News flash smart guy. People carry guns in America and it's not irresponsible. You can't say he caused the situation because you don't know if Martin turned around and pursued him. You don't know. I can't understand for the life of me how you cannot understand this.

It's irresponsible to carry a gun pursuing an individual. You are an idiot and you obviously are going to continue arguing against common sense to save face. Any reasonably intelligent human being knows that following someone in a vehicle and then pursuing them on foot is asking for a confrontation. And any one knows if someone was following them and then pursued them on foot that they were in immediate danger. You can't even suck it up for a second and understand Martin's point of view, because you don't believe he had any right to protect himself from a person that he had no clue why he was following him.

I got a task for you, go start following people and tracking them down on foot, see what happens!

 

[akphidelt]

TF, the guy just admitted it's possible that Martin turned around and pursued Zimmerman and was beating the shit out of him hence the reason Zimmerman shot him. What is hard to understand about this? You're a smart guy.

I'm saying I don't care how the confrontation happened as in Trayvon coming up to Zimmerman or Zimmerman approaching Trayvon. There is beyond reasonable evidence that Zimmerman was following Trayvon. Trayvon has more than a right to confront someone who is following him at night. Zimmerman was asking for an ass beating an he got it. Plain and simple. He ended up needing to protect himself by killing the person he was following. You can't just follow people and not expect a confrontation. The fact you can't even acknowledge this tells me that you are dumb. You represent Seattle in a horrible way. I love Seattle!!

 

[Enfuego]

I'm saying I don't care how the confrontation happened as in Trayvon coming up to Zimmerman or Zimmerman approaching Trayvon. There is beyond reasonable evidence that Zimmerman was following Trayvon. Trayvon has more than a right to confront someone who is following him at night. Zimmerman was asking for an ass beating an he got it. Plain and simple. He ended up needing to protect himself by killing the person he was following. You can't just follow people and not expect a confrontation. The fact you can't even acknowledge this tells me that you are dumb. You represent Seattle in a horrible way. I love Seattle!!

The right to confront vs. the right to beat a guy and give him a broken nose, two black eyes and bash his head on the cement is very different.

Protect himself from what? Zimmerman walked up and asked him what he was doing there. It didn't have to be physical but Martin made it physical. It's too bad the media, Spike Lee and Al Sharpton made your decision on this case for you before the facts came out. Martin supporters are looking pretty bad at this point.

 

[wadd]

I'm not in court right now. I can say what I want. When someone is following me I consider it stalking. If I'm walking in my neighborhood and someone is falling me in a vehicle and then leaves that vehicle to follow me on foot I consider that stalking. I would call the police and tell them I was being stalked by a creeper. You guys are such full of shit. If someone is tailing you like that, that is an act of aggression. It's game time. No way in hell am I going to be polite to an individual following me like that.

5 years minimum.

This is how fucking ignorant and stupid you really are.
You would "call the police and tell them you were being stalked???" LOLOLOLOL!
This is what I mean when I tell you to get away from the computer and live your life outside in the real world Son!
If you did that here, the dispatcher would tell you that, in other words, that nothing you call about is a crime, and blow you off. If the dispatcher did send a squad for a call like that, you would probably be all fucked up, beaten up, robbed, battery, assault, and maybe even killed if you were being stalked.
Heres what I HAVE done in the past when this shit happened to me. I walked up tho the fuckers that had a problem with me for whatever reason, and dealt with the problem right then and there. Sometimes when you attack the attacker they back down, sometimes its on, and it depends on how you can handle yourself to see what the end result will be. Fuck the Cops, they dont care about you. They wont be in any hurry to help you. You have to help yourself Son.
Get away from the fucking computer and live a real life, and stop being a pussy who is tough behind the keyboard. "Call the cops," Im laughing again at the sheer ignorance you have about real life confrontations!
You are so fucking ignorant about real life confrontations it is a fucking comedy to me, and I am sure many others who live in the concrete jungles and have been there before too.

 

[russ1945]

I would call the police and tell them I was being stalked by a creeper. You guys are such full of shit. If someone is tailing you like that, that is an act of aggression. It's game time. No way in hell am I going to be polite to an individual following me like that. (Aktard)


Aktard, come on man, even if they are driving a marked vehicle "neighborhood watch." Get real. Did Martin call the police, duh.
We are full of shit, wrong. You are not full of shit, I might add, only because diarrhea does not accumulate.

 

[vitterd]

Well, let's analyze this closely. Here is your first post of this thread:

"The 911 operator tells him not to follow Martin...he does anyway. He shoots and kills the unarmed man he follows against the advice of the 911 operator. Isn't the ballgame all over after that? Are you guys that blinded by race that you just don't wanna see that one simple fact?

If a black guy did this to a white guy I have a feeling many of you would be singing a difft tune. "

A) The 911 dispatcher did not tell him to not to follow Martin. This is a lie. The dispatcher said these exact words "ok, we don't need you to do that."

B) He shoots and kills the unarmed man. This is not a lie. This is correct.

C) You say he shot the unarmed man he follows. This is a lie. You have no clue if he followed him. None of us do.

Vittered, let me give you some advice. If you come in here on these forums, you'd better have your facts straight before you comment or we will pick you apart.

you loons are so desperate to defend this guy..... we dont need you do that.... isnt the same thing as dont follow him? You guys are absolute idiots.....

what do you mean we dont know if he followed him? any idiot(besides the usual suspects in here) can see who was following who.... are you guys retarded?

 

[vitterd]

The right to confront vs. the right to beat a guy and give him a broken nose, two black eyes and bash his head on the cement is very different.

Protect himself from what? Zimmerman walked up and asked him what he was doing there. It didn't have to be physical but Martin made it physical. It's too bad the media, Spike Lee and Al Sharpton made your decision on this case for you before the facts came out. Martin supporters are looking pretty bad at this point.

"Zimmerman walked up to him"...... thats not following though huh? You need to get your stories straight....dont worry though.... you and zit think youre winning...lmao...2 complete fools gettingtheir brains beat in...thankfully it cant do much damage at this point to either one of you

 

[russ1945]

"Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin. "

"The witness heard "someone yelling, almost crying. Then I heard a gunshot." The witness wrote that he or she "saw a man on top of a guy laying on the ground. He was putting his hands on his neck or chest."
The man asked the witness to call 911. "

"The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle."

If you look at the facts it is hard to explain away the fact that Zimmerman called out for help and that he got out of the car to obtain an address. This guy is not a cold blooded killer and does not fall into the "make my day" type of personality. This is not a cut and dry case, it is very complicated and that is why it took so long to file charges. If there had not been so much pressure from the outside they may have even taken longer before pressing charges.
Some may not like the way the wheels of justice turn but they are turning and that is the way it works in a democracy.

 

[wabashwonders]

The right to confront vs. the right to beat a guy and give him a broken nose, two black eyes and bash his head on the cement is very different.

Protect himself from what? Zimmerman walked up and asked him what he was doing there. It didn't have to be physical but Martin made it physical. It's too bad the media, Spike Lee and Al Sharpton made your decision on this case for you before the facts came out. Martin supporters are looking pretty bad at this point.

For someone who keeps telling the rest of us that we are making scenarios based on facts we don't know, you certainly continue to do just that. How do you know that Zimmerman only walked up and asked him what he was doing there? How do you know Zimmerman didn't make an aggressive act first before Martin beat the crap out of him? You keep telling us what happened yet you were not there!!!

 

[wabashwonders]

"Zimmerman claims he got out of his vehicle to find a house number to let police know where he saw the allegedly suspicious person, and while returning to his car was knocked down by a punch in the nose and attacked by Martin. "

"The witness heard "someone yelling, almost crying. Then I heard a gunshot." The witness wrote that he or she "saw a man on top of a guy laying on the ground. He was putting his hands on his neck or chest."
The man asked the witness to call 911. "

"The autopsy also shows that Zimmerman shot Martin from a distance of between 1 inch and 18 inches away, bolstering Zimmerman's claim that he shot Martin during a close struggle."

If you look at the facts it is hard to explain away the fact that Zimmerman called out for help and that he got out of the car to obtain an address. This guy is not a cold blooded killer and does not fall into the "make my day" type of personality. This is not a cut and dry case, it is very complicated and that is why it took so long to file charges. If there had not been so much pressure from the outside they may have even taken longer before pressing charges.
Some may not like the way the wheels of justice turn but they are turning and that is the way it works in a democracy.

So Zimmerman is the neighborhood watch who has patrolling these streets for years and lived there for who knows how long an supposedly from what everyone here has told me, knows every person in the community(since he can tell who is a stranger(or a suspicious person) and who isn't) yet he had to get out of his car to figure out where exactly he was? That makes sense...

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Traaaaaavon had THC in his system and his knuckles were bloody.

Not looking good for the prosecution.

 

[steaktartar]

in the end why it happened may not even matter....just if the shooting at the time was warranted......i agree it couldve have been avoided but that ship has sailed...........was the shooting good?...........id lean yes right now

 

[goode05]

Traaaaaavon had THC in his system and his knuckles were bloody.

Not looking good for the prosecution.

I'd be willing to bet that 30% of kids aged 18 have thc in their system since it stays in your system for up to 30 days.

 

[vitterd]

in the end why it happened may not even matter....just if the shooting at the time was warranted......i agree it couldve have been avoided but that ship has sailed...........was the shooting good?...........id lean yes right now

Everybody needs to wait until brietbart.com tells us what actually happened.

 

[wabashwonders]

in the end why it happened may not even matter....just if the shooting at the time was warranted......i agree it couldve have been avoided but that ship has sailed...........was the shooting good?...........id lean yes right now

I disagree with the last part of this statement. I think the big part of this trial will be about just that. How this could have been avoided. Zimmerman's defense is all about the "stand your ground" law and if the prosecution can convince the jury that he was in the wrong by following Martin and getting out of his car to confront him, he will lose. He is not standing his ground if he got out of the car and pursue Martin. The defense will have to prove that Zimmerman had just cause to do this. And again this will boil down to whether Zimmerman actually had good reason to deem Martin "suspicious" and had good reason to follow him. And right now, it looks like all Martin was doing was walking down the street talking on his cell phone with his girlfriend returning to where he was staying from the store. Remember, he DID belong there. He was a guest of someone living there. Everyone seems to agree that this all could have been avoided. And Zimmerman's actions more so than Martin's are the ones that could have avoided it.

 

[hehateme82]

I disagree with the last part of this statement. I think the big part of this trial will be about just that. How this could have been avoided. Zimmerman's defense is all about the "stand your ground" law and if the prosecution can convince the jury that he was in the wrong by following Martin and getting out of his car to confront him, he will lose. He is not standing his ground if he got out of the car and pursue Martin. The defense will have to prove that Zimmerman had just cause to do this. And again this will boil down to whether Zimmerman actually had good reason to deem Martin "suspicious" and had good reason to follow him. And right now, it looks like all Martin was doing was walking down the street talking on his cell phone with his girlfriend returning to where he was staying from the store. Remember, he DID belong there. He was a guest of someone living there. Everyone seems to agree that this all could have been avoided. And Zimmerman's actions more so than Martin's are the ones that could have avoided it.

this can be debated all day long and rightfully so, but I would be shocked if Z spends 1 more day in jail for this.

 

[russ1945]

I disagree with the last part of this statement. I think the big part of this trial will be about just that. How this could have been avoided. Zimmerman's defense is all about the "stand your ground" law and if the prosecution can convince the jury that he was in the wrong by following Martin and getting out of his car to confront him, he will lose. He is not standing his ground if he got out of the car and pursue Martin. The defense will have to prove that Zimmerman had just cause to do this. And again this will boil down to whether Zimmerman actually had good reason to deem Martin "suspicious" and haHe was a guest of someone living there. d good reason to follow him. And right now, it looks like all Martin was doing was walking down the street talking on his cell phone with his girlfriend returning to where he was staying from the store. Remember, he DID belong there. He was a guest of someone living there. Everyone seems to agree that this all could have been avoided. And Zimmerman's actions more so than Martin's are the ones that could have avoided it.

This my last attempt to communicate with someone who is so closed minded and obsessed with this case that we are all walking on his freshly snowed lawn by offering up anything that he does not agree with. These kinds of guys are what get guys like us really good betting lines. As far as suspicous goes here are your own words, "He was a guest of someone living there." Yes, sometimes people who are not permanent residents do draw atttention and when they do not respond to a marked car and/or a verbal communication they draw more attention and cross the road to being suspicious. This is my last communication with you on this topic WW. Take a deep breath, go for a walk but I would suggest not wearing a hoodie. lol

 

[wabashwonders]

This my last attempt to communicate with someone who is so closed minded and obsessed with this case that we are all walking on his freshly snowed lawn by offering up anything that he does not agree with. These kinds of guys are what get guys like us really good betting lines. As far as suspicous goes here are your own words, "He was a guest of someone living there." Yes, sometimes people who are not permanent residents do draw atttention and when they do not respond to a marked car and/or a verbal communication they draw more attention and cross the road to being suspicious. This is my last communication with you on this topic WW. Take a deep breath, go for a walk but I would suggest not wearing a hoodie. lol

Russ, you said yesterday that you could care less about this and it was your last communication on this. Im sure we will hear more from you since you seem to be the obsessed one on here.


And its funny how you can have an opinion and its ok, but when others do that go against you that makes us closed minded. Seems to me, you are the closed minded one who is only seeing one way this thing could have gone down. Ive left it open to many possiblities that could have happened. So you are the closed minded one here, not me...

And by the way, I wear a hoodie all the time in the winter. Guess that makes me a suspicious person...

 

[hehateme82]

Russ, you said yesterday that you could care less about this and it was your last communication on this. Im sure we will hear more from you since you seem to be the obsessed one on here.


And its funny how you can have an opinion and its ok, but when others do that go against you that makes us closed minded. Seems to me, you are the closed minded one who is only seeing one way this thing could have gone down. Ive left it open to many possiblities that could have happened. So you are the closed minded one here, not me...

And by the way, I wear a hoodie all the time in the winter. Guess that makes me a suspicious person...

when rocking the hoodie in the winter and a fat mexican wanna be security fuzz confronts you, I would advise you not to go spider monkey on his ass.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I'd be willing to bet that 30% of kids aged 18 have thc in their system since it stays in your system for up to 30 days.

And your point is what?