JJ
What you posted is what I strive to do...beat the closing line PERIOD.
To do that as you stated you must be sharp at anticipating line movement be it early overnight or next day (most likely right before gametime).
I don't see why one can have the best of both worlds
1) learn when to jump in to get the best number... being able to predict line movement
2) Having multiple outs to line shop...if you can master number one then why not take some time( 15-30 min)to see if there is a 1/2 pt, better out there , if its there even better if not then no problem as you still should have the better number compared to closing line.
Good post JJ
What you posted is what I strive to do...beat the closing line PERIOD.
To do that as you stated you must be sharp at anticipating line movement be it early overnight or next day (most likely right before gametime).
I don't see why one can have the best of both worlds
1) learn when to jump in to get the best number... being able to predict line movement
2) Having multiple outs to line shop...if you can master number one then why not take some time( 15-30 min)to see if there is a 1/2 pt, better out there , if its there even better if not then no problem as you still should have the better number compared to closing line.
Good post JJ
Case in point Golden State vs Chicago last night. Most shops close at 8.5 yet a few like BoDog deal a 9. Final Score 94-85. If you were on GSW and you line shopped for your best number you push instead of lose.
Not shopping for the best number is like saying you think the linesmakers don't have a clue about what they're doing. Obviously you can outcap the guys that make the line so why bother looking for the best number? (a little sarcasm for the room).
Sheesh!
sb
Dougy makes sense
Max I try to teach some of these other guys
Sportsy if you had +9 then you beat the consensus closing line, if you got +8 you lose majority of time if the two teams kept playing everyday and the clsojg line was 8.5
Lets face it, beat clsoing line (consensus) you have chance to beat the book
Max I try to teach some of these other guys
Sportsy if you had +9 then you beat the consensus closing line, if you got +8 you lose majority of time if the two teams kept playing everyday and the clsojg line was 8.5
Lets face it, beat clsoing line (consensus) you have chance to beat the book
JJ
Have you ever heard of halftimes ? There are no overnites on them and shopping sometimes gives me 2 or 3 points which makes the difference in a lot of games. Keep betting with one book and you are sure to lose a lot of wagers I am winning on ! Best of luck anyway !
Have you ever heard of halftimes ? There are no overnites on them and shopping sometimes gives me 2 or 3 points which makes the difference in a lot of games. Keep betting with one book and you are sure to lose a lot of wagers I am winning on ! Best of luck anyway !
I never know what to think when I see threads like this. On one hand I'm glad because if people are spreading such monumental ignorance, they and people who are gullible enough to give them credibility are losing even more money than they have to and that keeps the industry where I make my living healthy. In effect, guys like jj are paying my bills so thanks.
But I'm basically a nice guy - and this forum has helped me - so I'll do my part to give back. Fortunately it appears that most people see this thread for what it is but just in case there are any novices out there to whom one more voice will make a difference, I'll contribute:
Someone said, "winning is key." Very true. Line shopping means your wins make more money. If you find a better moneyline, your wins make more money on the spot. If you find better spreads and totals, sometimes loses becomes pushes or wins, and sometimes pushes become wins. That's all more money. I feel completely foolish even explaining something this obvious but apparently it is not too elementary for some people.
I am the first person to use the phrase, "in my opinion" when applicable, but this is simply not debatable.
If anyone thinks more money is over-rated, fair enough. But you should say that up front when you post.
If you can pick 70% winners, fine, you don't need to worry about line shopping. You can light your cigars with hundred dollar bills. Go nuts. Or if you're a very casual hobbyist who accepts you're going to lose your money, shopping probably isn't worth the effort either. For the serious among us, line shopping can be the difference between winning and losing (or else the difference between winning and winning more).
IMO, that's not over-rated.
But I'm basically a nice guy - and this forum has helped me - so I'll do my part to give back. Fortunately it appears that most people see this thread for what it is but just in case there are any novices out there to whom one more voice will make a difference, I'll contribute:
Someone said, "winning is key." Very true. Line shopping means your wins make more money. If you find a better moneyline, your wins make more money on the spot. If you find better spreads and totals, sometimes loses becomes pushes or wins, and sometimes pushes become wins. That's all more money. I feel completely foolish even explaining something this obvious but apparently it is not too elementary for some people.
I am the first person to use the phrase, "in my opinion" when applicable, but this is simply not debatable.
If anyone thinks more money is over-rated, fair enough. But you should say that up front when you post.
If you can pick 70% winners, fine, you don't need to worry about line shopping. You can light your cigars with hundred dollar bills. Go nuts. Or if you're a very casual hobbyist who accepts you're going to lose your money, shopping probably isn't worth the effort either. For the serious among us, line shopping can be the difference between winning and losing (or else the difference between winning and winning more).
IMO, that's not over-rated.
