Who Has The Better Defense Of The Final Four Now?

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Point is you can cherry pick so many angles to support what you want to believe.

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Is someone deflecting attention away from his record? You've already posted your conference final picks and we already know what you've done so far in the playoffs so what is the point of this thread?
 

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80 sacks is a pretty good defense.
 

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SF played a soft schedule this year. Opponents were 103-135 combined record. When facing a good offensive team they got shredded.
 

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They both played a "soft" schedule. Look it up
Not true

Eagles way harder. They only gave up 30+ 4 times to teams with good offense like lions redskins cowboys packers. SF played teams like Seattle 3 times. Eagles had play giants 3 times.

Niners won games because they scored more points and gave up less points. Big advantages eagles didn’t have. Eagles didn’t have Hurts and lost to cowboys and saints late. Niners are on 3rd QB but won only because the defense is really good. But defense isn’t really good because they played a soft schedule. And defense that they went up against wasn’t good so they could win with 3rd QB.

I ran my stats under my Juice settings
SOS Niners is Orange
SOS Eagles is Apple

Juicing an apple is harder than an orange. Advantages Eagles. Hope this helps GL
 

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Not true

Eagles way harder. They only gave up 30+ 4 times to teams with good offense like lions redskins cowboys packers. SF played teams like Seattle 3 times. Eagles had play giants 3 times.

Niners won games because they scored more points and gave up less points. Big advantages eagles didn’t have. Eagles didn’t have Hurts and lost to cowboys and saints late. Niners are on 3rd QB but won only because the defense is really good. But defense isn’t really good because they played a soft schedule. And defense that they went up against wasn’t good so they could win with 3rd QB.

I ran my stats under my Juice settings
SOS Niners is Orange
SOS Eagles is Apple

Juicing an apple is harder than an orange. Advantages Eagles. Hope this helps GL
Its very true actually. The facts speak for themselves. Sounds like you have a Phi bet this week. How did I know ?
 

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Some good responses and some pure assholes.
The assholes are the ones without replying to the specific subject and supplying context to but continue to bash.

Now for the others.
That includes EPA, SR, Drop Back EPA, Drop Back SR, Rush EPA, Rush SR.
Where is the value in the points scored in those stats? Did you dissect the game by playing winners and then again by playing the losers? Where is the breakdown for that? Curious.
 

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Thanks for the feedback.

You simply bash my thread but didnt post any response why you think SF is #1.
What data do you have?
Lowest points against over the regular season is one big reason.
 

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Who were the best teams of the four losers last week?
Dallas
Jags
Bills
Gainat
 

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Lowest points against over the regular season is one big reason.
That a good starting point.Thanks
How about road and home opponents
How about points vs winners or losers?
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You're basing your overall defensive rankings on this?
NO. But the 5 games was the subject. There was more to say but wanted to get this done first.
 

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Who were the best teams of the four losers last week?
Dallas
Jags
Bills
Gainat
Bills

Based of these teams playing each other 10x each I’d lean Bills.

Giants probably the worst based off anemic offense and lack of skill positions players. Bit thin 3rd level really. Team had heart though.

Bills
Cowboys
Jaguars
Giants
 

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I hate SF, absolutely hate them. But give credit where credits due. I agree with this list.
Whats to hate? Interesting in hearing why.
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That a good starting point.Thanks
How about road and home opponents
How about points vs winners or losers?
Thanks.
How about this

Let’s set the stats n splits aside. I reach out to a current OL coach 18+ years, current WR coach 8+ years and three former players on the offense side of the ball with each over 7+ years in the league and still involved with a team in the league in player development positions.

I simply message what is the best defense of the four teams remaining that you or any team in the playoffs wouldn’t won’t to face no matter what offense system/personnel they could have vs that team

Would their credentials and knowledge be sufficient to support a team as better or best defense for the sake of this argument? Do we weigh the boots on ground guys opinions or the subjective stats opinions?
 

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SF played a soft schedule this year. Opponents were 103-135 combined record. When facing a good offensive team they got shredded.
SF loses> Chi 19-10, Den 11-10, Atl 28-14, KC 44-23
All week 7 and earlier. You do realize teams progress and grow and improve throughout the season right?
 

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I respect the opinion but geez man. If this is the angle then why not consider bengals past 5 games were vs

Ravens twice with no QB
Patriots
Bucs
Bills
Im aware. All of the 4 remaining teams played some losers.
I dont think anything you mentioned above is wrong.
Im just stating why the last 5 games matter most right now.
These are the four teams coming to dinner -(the Dance is 2 weeks away).. Not the the same teams they necessarily were for the whole year overall.

Point is stats don’t tell the real story. See it all the time a team up 21 yet on D they then play differently. And on offense they play differently. Up 21 in 3rd and end of game win by 7. However they won comfortably. D goes softer allowing yards in exchange for time. Scoreboard may say different than the field.
Good points but groups of games like the last 5 have indicators that justify who is best right now in the last 5 games - not just completely on the whole season.
In sports..its always, 'what have you done lately;?.

The validation of points allowed is always the final outcome when used properly.
Ints play a huge part. Its generally ignored my many. It flips games in an instant.

•SF was lucky to beat Dallas. Flip the Prescott 2 ints and Dallas is here today and NO ONE would be saying that SF is the best defense.
Dallas beat themselves.
If SF would have handled Dallas like They handled everyone else this season, then they would have justified the higher ranking .

•Seahawks had a 14-13 lead in the first half in SF. 2 turnovers and NO defense killed Seattle.
•SF played 5 straight negative scoring teams before Dallas.

KC .
Jags were the lowest ranked team, But kept the game open for a while - but also played defense well. They were the most competitive of the losers.
Thats why Im placing KC higher than SF. They played nearly the same identical level of losers that SF played.
Jags Defense was under rated and only 1 point worse than KC.

•Eagles get no 2 spot because they played 5 games against better teams than what SF faced. In addition to the Giants playing "3rd Stringers", the Eagles also played 2 of the 5 without Hurts.

Cincy gets the number #1 rating because they held all the teams to the lowest average points with or without excuses of who was in or out. In four of the last 5 for Cincy they had No run game. And when they finally played the best offense in the AFC they held them to 10 points ON THE ROAD! (On a side note, I think that Cincy has the best coaches of all 4 teams)

In addition, last weeks games only had 2 distinctive winners. Philly and Cincy both won by large margins and both games were over at halftime.
Neither could be said for SF or KC. But KC is still better than SF.

So NO the 5 games doesnt tell the whole story, but the end of the season is very important and its closely reflected in to the playoff games played last week.

Both KC and SF played somewhat under their "season-long numbers" while Cincy and Philly played above them last week.


Thanks for the feedback It was far better than the insults...
 

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