You can hold people indefinitely without trial as long as you treat 'em nice.

[eek.]

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As long as you give 'em books and cookies and stuff you can grab folks
and bang 'em up for as long as you want.

President Mugabe in Zimbabwe etc should take note of this new standard
set by the USA.

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US general rejects Amnesty report

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Gen Myers says the camp is a "model facility"

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The human rights group last week described the US detention camp in Cuba as "the gulag of our time".

But Gen Myers said the US military treated detainees there humanely.

The Guantanamo Bay camp has been the focus of protests in the Muslim world, after allegations that guards had been disrespectful towards the Koran.

'Regulations followed'

Speaking on the US television network Fox News, Gen Myers said the camp was "essentially a model facility".

He said 1,300 Korans had been handed out to detainees in 13 different languages and that prison staff had served up "the proper Muslim-approved food".

"I think I'd ask them to go look up the definition of gulag as commonly understood," he said of Amnesty's report.

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Gen Myers

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IBOX -->Guantanamo Bay has received much attention recently as the result of a Newsweek report this month which said US guards had flushed a Koran down a toilet.

Newsweek has retracted its story, which sparked violent anti-US protests in Afghanistan, as well as demonstrations in Pakistan and Indonesia.

However, the US military has admitted to five incidents in which the Koran was mishandled by staff at the camp.

Gen Myers said the prisoners at Guantanamo were dangerous and the US was doing its best.

"How do you handle people who... who aren't part of a nation-state effort, that are picked up on the battlefield... that if you release them, or if you let them go back to their home countries, that would turn right around and try to slit our throats, our children's throats?" he said.

"The president said we'll treat people humanely and in accordance with the Geneva Convention. We're doing that."

He said the International Committee of the Red Cross had had access to Guantanamo "from the day we opened the gates".

"I mean essentially, they've (ICRC) been there the whole time. And we get good marks for the way we take care of people," he added.



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[MathProf]

I swore to myself that I would not visit this area of the forum
again but on this Memorial Day when we should be honoring
our Country and those who have fought and died for Freedom,
I am impelled to remind our members that:

1. No member of Amnesty Intl has ever set foot on Guantanamo Bay
(in view of the garbage they spew, is this IRRESPONSIBLE or CRIMINAL?)

2. The Geneva convention specifically states that to be afforded
its protection an enemy combatant must be "in uniform"
(I do not believe that wrapping a towel around your head, strapping
explosives to your body, and then slaughtering children in
school should be considered "in uniform")

3. To be afforded the protection of the Geneva Convention, combatants
must conduct war in a manner accepted by International Law; the following
are violations:
a. to conduct war from religious sanctuaries
b. to murder innocents without any war-related pretext
c. to wage military operation (including killing enemy) out of uniform
d. to attempt to kill the enemy whilethey are pursuing humanitarian
operations; this violation includes booby-trapping corpses, feigning
death so as to murder soldiers and civilians engaged in humanitarian
operations, using civilians as decoys.

Further, during time of war International Law recognizes that
combatants may be held without attorney for the duration of
the war, as has been the norm for centuries. (ask Jane Fonda...)

Of course, the fact-adverse, left-wing bomb throwers will twist
and distort (a la Michael Moore) but they will never accept the
facts in their rabid anti-America rants.

Newport said it perfectly in his thread -

"THE GREATEST FLAG EVER FLOWN......"

God Bless America!

 

[lander]

The Bush Admin has completely disregarded the Geneva Convention and assembled massive legal to probe for any and all loop holes to "validate" their disregard for human rights. You are a complete fvking idiot to believe otherwise.

Quite frankly, I think we all like it better when you keep your head buried in the sand -- at least we don't have to waste time reading your pathetic apologetic rants driven by your unparalleled ignorance.

 

[JinnRikki]

Well said Lander.

 

[go2guy]

God Bless America but remember one day it could be you!

 

[nimue77]

Does the law (and by that I mean the U.S. constitution) recognize that American citizens can be held without attorney, charges, or a trial by jury? That is exactly what has been done to Jose Pedilla for over 3 years now. I'd love to see you try to defend that mathprof.

I swore to myself that I would not visit this area of the forum
again but on this Memorial Day when we should be honoring
our Country and those who have fought and died for Freedom,
I am impelled to remind our members that:

1. No member of Amnesty Intl has ever set foot on Guantanamo Bay
(in view of the garbage they spew, is this IRRESPONSIBLE or CRIMINAL?)

2. The Geneva convention specifically states that to be afforded
its protection an enemy combatant must be "in uniform"
(I do not believe that wrapping a towel around your head, strapping
explosives to your body, and then slaughtering children in
school should be considered "in uniform")

3. To be afforded the protection of the Geneva Convention, combatants
must conduct war in a manner accepted by International Law; the following
are violations:
a. to conduct war from religious sanctuaries
b. to murder innocents without any war-related pretext
c. to wage military operation (including killing enemy) out of uniform
d. to attempt to kill the enemy whilethey are pursuing humanitarian
operations; this violation includes booby-trapping corpses, feigning
death so as to murder soldiers and civilians engaged in humanitarian
operations, using civilians as decoys.

Further, during time of war International Law recognizes that
combatants may be held without attorney for the duration of
the war, as has been the norm for centuries. (ask Jane Fonda...)

Of course, the fact-adverse, left-wing bomb throwers will twist
and distort (a la Michael Moore) but they will never accept the
facts in their rabid anti-America rants.

Newport said it perfectly in his thread -

"THE GREATEST FLAG EVER FLOWN......"

God Bless America!

 

[eek.]

That's what gets me about these right wing muppets.

They seem to be happy to throw away those human rights and freedoms that underpin our society because someones a scumbag (presumed).

Personally speaking I do not believe that a perceived POS (in Guantanamo or wherever) should be allowed to destroy those core curtural values for an entire society that past generations have fought for, and many have died for.

 

[Woody0]

Does the law (and by that I mean the U.S. constitution) recognize that American citizens can be held without attorney, charges, or a trial by jury?

No that contravenes the US Constitution.

Fortunately the President takes a solemn oath, on the bible, to uphold the Constitution so you can be secure in the knowledge that this cannot be happening, otherwise the President would have been impeached for violating his Presidential oath.

 

[D2bets]

No that contravenes the US Constitution.

Fortunately the President takes a solemn oath, on the bible, to uphold the Constitution so you can be secure in the knowledge that this cannot be happening, otherwise the President would have been impeached for violating his Presidential oath.

Except we know for A FACT that this is happening with Jose Padilla. As nimue said, it is undisputed that he is:
1. an American citizen, who is
2. being held,
3. without any charges being filed, and
4. no attorney provided or allowed
5. and of course, no trial by jury.

Who's going to impeach the President? The Republican congress?

 

[SVT_Cobra]

Ah yes but we have the patriot act which basically suspends parts of the constitution and the bill of rights.

And how could they not vote in the patriot act??? After all it would be unpatriotic.

Bush said the terrorists don't like us to have freedom. Correct me if I'm wrong, the terrorists haven't taken any of our freedoms away. Good old Bush has done that for them.

 

[nimue77]

The patriot act can't suspend the constitution, it can only be ammended by the process outlined in it. Therefore, any laws which contradict the constitution are illegal and can and should be overturned.

Ah yes but we have the patriot act which basically suspends parts of the constitution and the bill of rights.

And how could they not vote in the patriot act??? After all it would be unpatriotic.

Bush said the terrorists don't like us to have freedom. Correct me if I'm wrong, the terrorists haven't taken any of our freedoms away. Good old Bush has done that for them.

 

[SVT_Cobra]

The patriot act can't suspend the constitution, it can only be ammended by the process outlined in it. Therefore, any laws which contradict the constitution are illegal and can and should be overturned.

Tell that to the people that are being illegally held under the patriot act.

 

[nimue77]

I don't think the government would allow me to talk to Jose Pedilla.

Tell that to the people that are being illegally held under the patriot act.