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Thanks to Clevfan for catching this one across the street.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...BEE-431D-9681-2F474A49BD71}&siteid=mktw&dist=

Plan could cripple Net horse betting

By William Spain
5/24/2005

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- Draft legislation spurred by a World Trade Organization ruling on a dispute between the United States and Antigua could endanger legal Internet betting on horse racing, along with a big chunk of that industry's profits, it if becomes U.S. law.

The proposal, titled, "The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2005," originated in the office of Sen. Jon Kyl and is now making the rounds on Capitol Hill.

Like several previous failed bills backed by the Arizona Republican, it would bar credit card issuers, banks, and other financial institutions from transmitting money related to online wagering and authorize a wide array of federal and state law enforcement agencies to go after the offenders.

There's no indication whether Kyl's latest proposal will be introduced as a Senate Bill this session, or its prospects for passage by the Senate and House, and approval by President Bush.

What makes Kyl's latest proposal different from prior failed bills is that it doesn't carve out an exception for racing. That has given rise to warnings that the only part of the parimutuel industry that is growing at all - account, or remote, wagering - could be run right out of business.

Through a spokesman, Kyl declined to comment on the proposal, a copy of which was sent in draft legislation form to MarketWatch on Monday.

At issue is an early April decision by the WTO that parts of some U.S. gambling statutes, including the Wire Act, violate the General Agreement on Trade in Services. The trade body also found in favor of Antigua on a claim that the Interstate Horseracing Act, which permits electronic wagering between states where it is legal, discriminates against foreign operators.

Antigua is home to numerous online gambling operations that do most of their business with American bettors.

To comply with the WTO ruling and live up to its trade agreements, the U.S must amend existing laws, said Anthony Chabot, a lawyer with Lewis and Roca in Las Vegas, which who represents some Internet gambling clients.

"The new Kyl bill is the most likely vehicle," he said. "It can effectively shut down any interstate betting that would go through a financial transaction service provider. And the horseracing industry has been increasingly reliant on interstate wagers for its viability."

Total wagering on U.S. races fell about half a percentage point last year, to just over $15 billion, according to the National Thoroughbred Racing Association. That number, which has been flat for years, would likely be far smaller had not electronic betting come along in the 1990s.

"Account wagering is the fastest-growing part of the business by a significant margin," said Greg Avioli, executive vice-president of NTRA, who expects it to hit $3 billion this year.

"We are paying very close attention to the bill," he added. "But we are confident that Mr. Kyl and other members of the Senate do not want to interfere with legal parimutuel betting [and that] whatever legislation passes will adequately protect racing."

As big a hit as it would be to track owners like Churchill Downs (CHDN) and Magna Entertainment (MECA), passage of the Kyl proposal in its current form could essentially wipe out operators like Youbet.com (UBET) and TVG.

A spokeswoman for TVG, which is owned by Gemstar-TV Guide (GMST), said the company was aware of the draft bill but declined to comment.

"It is pretty early in the process," she said. "We are waiting to see what happens."

Churchill declined comment. Neither Youbet.com nor Magna would return phone calls.

Any attempt to insert a rider that would protect racing's online action could not only run afoul of the WTO again but would also bring forth other interests seeking their own exception, noted Sue Schneider, publisher of Interactive Gaming News.

Indian tribes, lotteries, and other gambling providers "would all want exceptions," she said. "That causes stalemate. I think [Kyl] is taking a cleaner approach to see if it makes any difference."

Schneider said the horseracing industry has been "in a bit of denial" over the danger, but noted that it can wield considerable political muscle should it choose to exercise it.

"They are starting to kind of wake up to some of this a little more," she said.

Still, Chabot pointed out that big political changes in Washington make derailing a proposal less of sure thing than in the past.

The Republican Party controls almost all the levers of power, he said, and is in thrall to a right-wing religious constituency for which gambling is a moral issue.

"If they want to pass Senator Kyl's bill, or any version of Senator Kyl's bill," they can," he said
 
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Amazing this finally made this board now. I just figured someone had already posted it. Tony Cabot is always a "the sky is falling" kind of guy. He is very tight with the Nevada Resort Assoc and all the "legal" operations. He defends their views all the time so his comments aren't surprising at all.

If this version of Kyl passes, trust me there will be some racing carve out. Kyl is just using this angle right now to try to get some sponsors. No one will sponsor this bill without the WTO angle. This summer when Party goes public for maybe $8 billion or more and a few other online operators rack up stupendous valuations, Kyl and all the idiots supporting them will just start looking stupid. All the talk about only shady offshore operations prying on unsuspecting victims, as Kyl likes to put it, will be laughed at. How shady can you be when you are publicly traded for valuations like that?
 
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I think a company can be plenty shady no matter what their valuations. Remember Enron?
 
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Here was my response across the street:

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"Account wagering is the fastest-growing part of the business by a significant margin," said Greg Avioli, executive vice-president of NTRA, who expects it to hit $3 billion this year.

"We are paying very close attention to the bill," he added. "But we are confident that Mr. Kyl and other members of the Senate do not want to interfere with legal parimutuel betting [and that] whatever legislation passes will adequately PROTECT racing."


Part of me says, let the US reap what it sows. At every step of the process they told Antigua to pound salt. They refused to negotiate before the process, and they spent all summer stalling and negotiating in bad faith.

Their best offer was "Let the US have the GAO study the industry for a few years, and put out a report." So the good guys said, "And you'll cease your hostilities and your attacks on the industry while the study is going on?" US, "No, we can't do that." And that exchange took place AFTER they had lost the case in front of the lower panel!

But back to the quote above, take note fellow posters and government lurkers. I have highlighted the key word above, PROTECT. Thanks for admitting that's all it's about. It's not about the "dangers" of remote gambling, or the government's concerns about minors or compulsive gamblers. It's about protectionism. And that's what the WTO saw. You can't claim a moral aversion to remote gambling while you offer in many forms it in your own country.
 
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"and is in thrall to a right-wing religious constituency for which gambling is a moral issue. "

CBS still showing their right wing hating bias i see....gambling is a moral issue to all right wingers is complete and total bullshit....do you see how they try to frame every issue as to mean "see your a leftist, you dont agree with these zealots do you?"....starting early on 2008 i see...
 

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Good points WildBill and Jay C.

Why is Sen. Kyle so obsessed with this?
 
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Kyl Bill Volume Three-The Return Of The Masturbator

Senator Kyl(e) needs a real hobby..quit spilling your seed good man!

So true Jay C, the hypocrisy is staggering at times..just because something is legal in one form doesn't make it right to persecute it in others.

Circle K donates millions to Jerry's Kids every year, made from peddling cigs to smokers, booze to drunks, porn to pervs, and ice cream to the obese..yet the cops outside it's doors bust thugs dealing dope.

It's all the same sh!t(poison), just man has decided which and by whom this poison can be dealt.

Lottery balls and Bingo halls can lose the month's rent too!
 
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I really think that WTO is a great int'l organization BUT a want to wager on horses off shore.:icon_conf
 
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Sun Dodger said:
Good points WildBill and Jay C.

Why is Sen. Kyle so obsessed with this?
I have always thought he lost his entire azz gambling and this is his attempt at revenege with this obsession...I have read many articles on here and most say this bill does not even make it to a vote
 
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Baker said:
I think a company can be plenty shady no matter what their valuations. Remember Enron?

They could be shady indeed, but gaming companies are hard to "fake". Revenues earned by a gaming company are black and white. The only thing gaming companies have had trouble with is embezzlers.

This is just for illustrative purposes only, one looks like a fool when he makes Kyl's comments into an industry with billions of dollars of revenue and growing levels of professional management. The case is simple though. Kyl and his cronies can continue to bury their heads in the sand and act like its being run by corner bookies from yesteryear, or they can wake up and be realistic. I have said once the UK gets a commission up and running, numerous other countries are going to follow suit. Gibraltar, Isle of Man, and Malta are one thing, but getting the UK on board will change the ballgame. The US won't be able to do anything about it at that point. Australia and Canada are almost de-facto legalized jurisdictions. I suspect it won't be long until both stop the silliness of sort of being in the business and just go for it fully, motivated by the profits and high-tech nature of the UK business. If Americans can bet in the UK, Canada, or Australia, how is the US going to stop this?
 
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ProPokerPlayer said:
"and is in thrall to a right-wing religious constituency for which gambling is a moral issue. "

CBS still showing their right wing hating bias i see....gambling is a moral issue to all right wingers is complete and total bullshit....do you see how they try to frame every issue as to mean "see your a leftist, you dont agree with these zealots do you?"....starting early on 2008 i see...


These Right Winger Zealots are the ones that have a bible in one hand and a dvck in the other hand. Or in this case, a bible in one hand and a slot machine handle in the other hand. I am a Methodist but I am tired of this particular bunch trying to inpose their will on everyone else. Fire away Right Wingers! LT
 
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Just trying to stay non-aggravated with the whole gambling legalization debate, I feel for horse racing with or without this. The industry is really stale. The riverboats in the midwest are doing their damage already.

And, with online horse betting as is, it hurts the tracks attendance. I love it like the next guy, being able to sit at home and wager ponies, watching on the net or Tv if you have the service, but it is sad as a horse fan to see attendance dropping on what used to be a really exciting time as a kid at the track with Big crowds, even during the week.

Looking forward to robotic horse racing. I figure we will see that in the future. Just like Pod racing from a star wars movie.
 

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Horse Racing has major Problems

Track purse are dropping like crazy. Been in the industry for many years and family for 100 years and I could see a day when there is no more horse racing.
Just my .02 cents. Internet Betting is killing them. But in this day in age the internet has put large speed bump for many business. So what I say is adjust or go broke.
 

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ProPokerPlayer said:
"and is in thrall to a right-wing religious constituency for which gambling is a moral issue. "

CBS still showing their right wing hating bias i see....gambling is a moral issue to all right wingers is complete and total bullshit....do you see how they try to frame every issue as to mean "see your a leftist, you dont agree with these zealots do you?"....starting early on 2008 i see...

How is this right wing hating bias? Looks like they're just stating the obvious, really. Gambling is a moral issue for much of the right-wing religious constituency. Isn't that pretty much a given? Are you really debating this?
 

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Sen Kyl no doubt gets plenty of cash from the religious nuts who believe gambling is the devil's work. Excluding bingo and casino night the church's operate of course.
 

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