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Cant wait to see ol Redneck jump in on this one ....

amazingly a passport of one of the hijackers was found in this rubble ... just amazing!
 
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CNN reports:

"In New York, several blocks from the ruins of the World Trade Center, a passport authorities said belonged to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago, according to city Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik."
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http://asia.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/gen.america.under.attack/index.html]

Aside from the idiocy of any suggestion that a passport would survive a plane crash that is allegedly so severe it destroys the virtually indestructable Black Box, we are also led to believe that the passport "flew away", out of the hijackers pocket, down a few blocks from the WTC
grounds. Why a few blocks away? Could it be because it was a place out of everyone's sight?

It is also well known that paper was strewn all over the scene of the plane crash. This was due to the sudden shattering of the windows which would immediately eject all paper materials out of the building before incineration. A passport in someone's pocket who is sitting on a plane
that explodes will suffer the same fate as the person whose pocket it is in, and the plane they are sitting in: absolute cremation.
 

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Interesting. Conspiracy theorists seem to have a lot of evidence supporting their argument.
 

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Conspiracy theorists seem to be able to find tons of evidence for any crazy hairbrain theories they come up with. Just like the crap they tried to pull when they suggested that a missile hit the pentagon and not a plane, which of course was completely debunked later on.
 

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Its just the smoke and gases being forced out as the building went, like a squished sandwich.

The building was designed to stay up for 4 hours, and used a new spray on fireproofing system.

Both buildings withstood the jet hit, but the impact blew off the fireproofing.
The empire state building uses 8 inches of brick, the WTC used 2 inches or less of spray on stuff that you could knock off with a decent hammer blow.
Standards had been lowered to lower costs, to take account of the increased mass of the structure, and to give the building a better payback potential.

The WTC was the first tall building in the US to use this new spray-on concrete system that saved weight, cut costs and sped up construction.

The disadvantage was it created a weaker structure in the event of a fire.

WTC 1 stayed up almost twice as long as WTC 2

WTC 1 was hit on one face.
WTC 2 was hit by a faster aircraft, on the corner and at a lower level.

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Video Evidence of a Ground Level
Explosion Prior to WTC 1's Collapse


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Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on September 11 that has still not been explained.

The Palisades seismic record shows that — as the collapses began — a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth. These unexplained "spikes" in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses.
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Genelle Guzman McMillan was on the 13th floor of WTC 1 when it collapsed:
McMillan heard a rumble. "A big explosion," she now calls it. "The wall I was facing just opened up, and it threw me on the other side," she says. McMillan looked for Gonzalez. "I was still holding Rosa's hand," McMillan says. "But she pulled away." McMillan remembers Gonzalez trying to climb the stairs. "I got up," McMillan says. "And I tried to go behind her. That's when the rubble just kept coming down." [Bergen Record]

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</TD><TD>The video to the left is a unique piece of footage showing the collapse of WTC 1 and it corroborates the above. The camera was not hand held, it was directly connected to the ground via a tripod, and this allowed the camera to visually capture a ground shake which occurred 14 seconds before the building collapsed. The video also shows an object fall from the right hand side of the building moments before the camera begins to shake. The close timing of these two events indicates they are linked.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>
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This brings to mind two questions on the offical "truss theory":
  1. How could trusses failing on floors 90+ of WTC 1 produce a ground shake powerful enough to affect a distant camera?
  2. Why did the shake occur 14 seconds before the collapse of WTC 1? If the shake originated from failing trusses the building should have immediately collapsed.
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<CENTER><TABLE cellPadding=7 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>You will note that several seconds prior to the start of the collapse the camera shakes for almost a second, too long to be a kick or a jostle. Moments before the shake is captured by the camera a large piece of debris is knocked loose on the right side of the building.

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Careful study of the smoke before...


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A thermite detonation in the basement of WTC 1 would explain the above, and it just so happens that a large cloud of white smoke emerged at street level ~10 seconds before the collapse of the building:
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</TD><TD bgColor=#bebebe>Video showing white smoke at the base of WTC 1 seconds before its collapse. With zoom:
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Larry Silverstein"Pull Building 7"

WTC 7: The Signature
of a 9/11 Demolition


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<CENTER><TABLE cellPadding=7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>The photo above is WTC 7 at roughly 3 p.m. This 5..2 MB MOV video also shows WTC 7 at this time. If the FEMA collapse report were true then the fires shown should have been burning throughout entire floors, not just in a few rooms.

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Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001.

In the documentary "America Rebuilds", aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;

"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse." [mp3]

In the same program a cleanup worker referred to the demolition of WTC 6: "... we're getting ready to pull the building six." [mp3]

There can be little doubt as to how the word "pull" is being used in this context.
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<CENTER><TABLE cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed [from WTCs 1 & 2],” Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. [American Free Press] Molten steel is a byproduct of a thermite reaction.

Wired New York reported "steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures".

Burning diesel can't produce enough heat to melt steel, so it certainly can't evaporate it, but thermite can.

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Consider the facts:
  • The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
  • Firemen anticipated the building's collapse (even though fire had never brought down a large fire-protected steel building prior to 9/11).
  • Silverstein said of the building "the smartest thing to do is pull it."
  • WTC 7 subsequently collapsed perfectly into its footprint at freefall speed.
  • Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the debris.
There can be only one conclusion as to what happened to WTC 7: it was demolished.

The fires in WTC 7 were supposedly started by the collapse of WTC 1 meaning there would have been no time the rig the building for demolition on 9/11, therefore this had to have been done whilst the building was still occupied prior to 9/11.

Doesn't this strike you as an odd and dangerous thing to do? If there were no terrorist attacks on 9/11 then a disgruntled employee could have brought down WTC 7 simply by thumping a red button - it makes no sense whatsoever.

There had to be a very good reason for this building to be rigged for demolition whilst it was still occupied. Did Silverstein, the new WTC owner who wisely invested in insurance against terrorism, have prior knowledge of the attacks?

One thing is for sure, his decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people:

<CENTER><TABLE borderColor=#000000 cellPadding=7 width=600 bgColor=#d8d8d8 borderColorLight=#c0c0c0 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [in the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." [New York Lawyer] Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]

Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. ..."All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]

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no i dont...i could care less who reads my thoughts as i make them public knowledge ...but I suggest you get a cup and a butt protector so when G.W. Bush and Cheney ream you up da ass it wont hurt so much...

To who ever still sticks by the official myth of 911 you are know complicent in the biggest open faced treason to the USA and constitution...so go get your new id card and get in line behind BBlight, Shotgun, Redneckman and the rest of the JackAsses going of the cliff that is becoming so aparent....to totally blindly defend this when there are so many unanswered questions is disgusting....Not one of your type can trully get into a spirited discussion because the fact are so distorted....You people are clueless and it just shows how lost America has become
 

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eek. said:
The building was designed to stay up for 4 hours, and used a new spray on fireproofing system.
Both buildings withstood the jet hit, but the impact blew off the fireproofing.
The empire state building uses 8 inches of brick, the WTC used 2 inches or less of spray on stuff that you could knock off with a decent hammer blow.
Standards had been lowered to lower costs, to take account of the increased mass of the structure, and to give the building a better payback potential.
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According to the designer of the building, the building was build to withstand a 747 collision....also i think i know a little about building construction and design as that is how i made a good bit of $$$$...
 

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General - just idle curiosity on my part - but why should Bush mention Bin Laden at all?
 

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One of the dumbest quotes I have heard..thank you BBlight!!!

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General - just idle curiosity on my part - but why should Bush mention Bin Laden at all?
this is one of the most clueless poster on this forum....keep talking Jack Off
 

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Stinko - you couldn't be the general - to many pimples and not enough sense.

Nice try, but I'll wait for the general to answer my question.
 

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bblight said:
General - just idle curiosity on my part - but why should Bush mention Bin Laden at all?

I would like to hope we are making efforts to catch the person who admitted bombing the WTC. I just havent heard Dummy mention him much at all lately. I do not sit around awaiting Dummy to talk though. I suppose Dummy really could care less. He is doing what he can for himself without catching Bin Laden. Reading these articles, I don't want to believe it, but I do not believe that oswald killed Kennedy either. I believe the CIA was responsible for that and the death of JFK Jr also. I have no doubt that the Dummy dad and son are killers, therefore just how far would they go and kill so to justify thier methods?
 

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Just a few thoughts of my own about this thread....

doc.....we generally agree on most topics on this board.....the exception would be when you brought up the passport issue.....I'm thinking it's plausible that a passport could escape incineration with the speed that was involved in the crash and things getting blown out the other side of the building....the passport wouldn't necessarily have to be in the hijackers pocket upon impact....if I remember correctly someone's hand was found on a rooftop that had flown from the crash area, and that had escaped incineration....

eek and stucco were talking about the buildings being designed to withstand the impact of a 747.....did the designers figure in the temperature created by burning jet fuel upon the upright beams of the building? If the shows I have seen on the disaster are correct, my recollection is that the beams were weakened by the intense heat to the point where the weight above collapsed the beams and the domino effect started the building down.....

As far as OBL goes.....all I ever hear about is the rebuilding of Iraq.....OBL won't be mentioned or thought about until the next terrorist induced disaster happens on US soil......then we might actually start fighting terrorists again instead of rebuilding oil rich countries with US taxpayer money.....sad to say but that's what it's going to take......

The JFK thing.....too many oddities with the motorcade and the handling of evidence and the slain presidents body.....too many groups to profit with the death of JFK for me to say that Oswald acted alone with no other conspirators or aid.....
 

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no i dont...i could care less who reads my thoughts as i make them public knowledge ...but I suggest you get a cup and a butt protector so when G.W. Bush and Cheney ream you up da ass it wont hurt so much...

To who ever still sticks by the official myth of 911 you are know complicent in the biggest open faced treason to the USA and constitution...so go get your new id card and get in line behind BBlight, Shotgun, Redneckman and the rest of the JackAsses going of the cliff that is becoming so aparent....to totally blindly defend this when there are so many unanswered questions is disgusting....Not one of your type can trully get into a spirited discussion because the fact are so distorted....You people are clueless and it just shows how lost America has become

genius, i am a registered democrat that voted for clinton twice and gore and kerry. Just because i am not a paranoid conspiracy theorist doesnt mean that i am a right winger. It just means that i need more than some crazy unsubstantiated theories before i believe the government had a role in 911.

And if the government planned the 911 tragedy it probably took a few years to plan, which means that the planning took place under the clinton administration, which also means that if anyone is behind the conspiracy it would be clinton and not bush.
 

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i agree with you completely...I used to be a big supporter for Clinton too...but since 911 I have been able to define the roles a little more clearly...Here is a little bit of history....If you have a $20 there is a way you can fold it and it shows 2 towers being blown apart....well just a little info on the design of the $20 it was redesigned I think in 98..the Federal Reserve is a private corporation and is owned by the Rockerfellers...also David Rockerfeller built the trade center so that is to close to call.....At this point I am no longer Republican or Democrat and question anyone that is supporting the war...ie...clinton, kerry, bush....let me see if i can pull up the site on the $20 bill...again you make your own decision but it is pretty obvious to me.....
 
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