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I will post the 5dimes odds for Trump to win just before Monday's debate. Vote if you think after the debate his odds improve(he wins debate, odds decrease) or worsen(he loses debate, odds increase).

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Improve would be +190 to +160

Worsen would be +190 to +220

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I honestly have no clue. He is a dog in the election, despite national polls tightening quite a bit.

I don't think he will be good at debating, if by good you mean, persuasive, sensical etc...But I am not inclined to support him anyway (I don't like HRC either, but my critique of her is from the left, against her hawkish foreign policy, her relationship with Wall Street etc...).

Clinton can either attempt to pick into his appeal to white men, or she can attempt to generate more energy from the base, from latinos etc... by emphasizing his global warming denialism etc...

But Trump did extremely well in debates with the GOP, even when he said something stupid, or controversial. This will be a very different audience. If I had to guess I would suggest he may get a slight bump if he can really hammer Clinton on trust issues. The Clinton camp, for all its experience, makes some ridiculous blunders on this. Even in the primary, she responded to attacks on her $$$ from Wall Street by referencing 9-11 -- how could any professional political consultant/advisor prep that kind of answer? It was terrible.

All of that said, it is hard for me to envision a viable path to Trump if you focus on swing states. Some reliably red states are less secure, and Clinton seems to have more favorable numbers in those states. Best guess, but it is not one I would wager on, is that Trump will continue to tighten the election, but end of falling well short in terms of electoral college votes. On the popular vote, he may be OK.

It can't help him that Gary Johnson is picking off 10 percent support, where Jill Stein is getting 3.
 

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One prop i really think will cash is: "Will Clinton say the word 'deplorable," NO -150.

There infinite synonyms and adjectives that she can choose from "contemptible, egregious, unfathomable" etc...

I am sure she does use the word deplorable a lot or the question would not be posed, but I am going to side on the infinite examples offered in the English language to express Trump's controversial views/statements etc..... rather than just one word.
 

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I have no idea, flip a coin
 

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The bar is so low....the expectations are so low for Trump......as long as he doesn't sit on the floor and drool.....he will exceed expectations.
 

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Trump will destroy the witch but, like Benghazi, the libtards will claim she killed it.

It's in the genes.
 

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Every issue.....Hillary will beat him badly.....but the right wingers will be clapping like seals when trump says " Benghazi was bad, believe me"......and then will say he's the winner. Stupid people will think trump won no matter what.
 

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Every issue.....Hillary will beat him badly.....but the right wingers will be clapping like seals when trump says " Benghazi was bad, believe me"......and then will say he's the winner. Stupid people will think trump won no matter what.

The "believe me" stuff is show business on the campaign trail.

He doesn't talk that way in an environment like Monday...


but, but, but...Illary knows policy.

Yeah, everything she touches turns to shit!
 

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The "believe me" stuff is show business on the campaign trail.

He doesn't talk that way in an environment like Monday...


but, but, but...Illary knows policy.

Yeah, everything she touches turns to shit!

You don't think he will say " believe me" several times on Monday? Ummmmmm ok
 

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You don't think he will say " believe me" several times on Monday? Ummmmmm ok

Babs has it right, the "racoon/flying squirrel" comment is hilarious...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...o-donald-trump-jr-goes-viral-and-its-powerful

Streisand lifts Hillary—slams Trump: When a politician ends sentences with 'believe me'... don't



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By Leslie Salzillo
Friday Sep 23, 2016 · 4:38 AM PDT





Singer, actress, director, composer, and activist Barbra Streisand has been involved in politics for decades. As a woman, Streisand has "broken the glass ceiling” with her work as a film director and producer. As an entertainer, she has one a plethora of awards. And as a political activist, the list of her contributions goes on and on.
Earlier in the year, Streisand used Twitter to defend Hillary Clinton, and her tweet went viral. This week, the Medal of Freedom recipient penned an op-ed in the Huffington Post called, “Facts Matter” and this time she attacked Trump, making some great points and adding some endearing Streisand humor.
Starting off, she tailors an old saying to fit the Republican presidential nominee to a T, When a politician ends almost every sentence with ‘believe me’... don’t!” She adds, “He’s probably lying.” The word “probably” is more of an understatement with Trump, but there is little else understated in Streisand’s piece. She cites the fact-check organization PolitiFact, that claims Trump is either “false,” “mostly false,” and “pants on fire” 71 percent of the time he speaks or tweets. But the media has been ignoring the truth and echoing the false. Streisand says the media seems to be “too entertained to correct Trump’s lies,” mentioning Matt Lauer. ​And then there’s Fox News personality Chris Wallace who will be hosting one of the debates, yet has gone on record saying that “facts are not relevant” to him. Streisand says this should be profoundly unacceptable to the American people. “Our country and its stability is on the line. Facts do matter.”
The beloved “Babs,” whose career has spanned six decades, said that when Trump throws around words like “crooked,” he’s really describing himself. She adds, “psychiatrists have explained how a person who refuses to recognize his own flaws will often project them onto other people.”

The award-winning singer/entertainer writes, “This is a man who has bankrupted companies, reneged on bank loans and he’s cheated small business owners.” She reminds us Trump is notorious for refusing to pay people who have worked for him, and if they don’t like it he says, “Sue me.” He knows most individuals and small businesses don’t have the resources to sue him, even though, Streisand says, “Trump’s been sued nearly 1,500 times over the last 30 years.”
In reaching out, Streisand sends a reminder out to Trump supporters,
To those supporters who believe he’s a rich businessman and think he’s going to make them rich... get the facts straight. Investors in his failed casino ventures lost 90 percent of their money between 1995-2005. When the going gets tough, Trump vanishes. He eventually filed for bankruptcy, leaving others holding the bag.
Streisand gives a good number of examples and reasons why America needs to vote for Hillary Clinton. “Trump was shamed into coming up with the contribution he promised to veterans... Hillary actually got legislation passed” to expand their health care/benefits. And while Donald has vowed to appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn the ruling on marriage equality, Hillary declared that “gay rights are human rights” when she was Secretary of State.

In a most disturbing excerpt, Streisand says one in five of Trump’s supporters believe slavery should never have been abolished. I had to pause after reading that, and again after typing it … and again.
Trump is basically a bully, says Streisand. And like all bullies, he’s a coward. And then when we look at Hillary after she’s been attacked by the Right for decades, we see she’s not only standing, she continues to be exonerated and greatly admired.
“She has negotiated with leaders around the world to keep us safe from nuclear threat because it would destroy the planet... while he shockingly said, ‘If we have nuclear weapons, why can’t we use them?’”
Then why is Hillary not getting credit for her accomplishments? “It goes back to something I’ve felt for many years … strong women, powerful women have always been suspect.”









Singer, actress, director, composer, and activist Barbra Streisand has been involved in politics for decades. As a woman, Streisand has "broken the glass ceiling” with her work as a film director and producer. As an entertainer, she has one a plethora of awards. And as a political activist, the list of her contributions goes on and on.
Earlier in the year, Streisand used Twitter to defend Hillary Clinton, and her tweet went viral. This week, the Medal of Freedom recipient penned an op-ed in the Huffington Post called, “Facts Matter” and this time she attacked Trump, making some great points and adding some endearing Streisand humor.
Starting off, she tailors an old saying to fit the Republican presidential nominee to a T, When a politician ends almost every sentence with ‘believe me’... don’t!” She adds, “He’s probably lying.” The word “probably” is more of an understatement with Trump, but there is little else understated in Streisand’s piece. She cites the fact-check organization PolitiFact, that claims Trump is either “false,” “mostly false,” and “pants on fire” 71 percent of the time he speaks or tweets. But the media has been ignoring the truth and echoing the false. Streisand says the media seems to be “too entertained to correct Trump’s lies,” mentioning Matt Lauer. ​And then there’s Fox News personality Chris Wallace who will be hosting one of the debates, yet has gone on record saying that “facts are not relevant” to him. Streisand says this should be profoundly unacceptable to the American people. “Our country and its stability is on the line. Facts do matter.”
The beloved “Babs,” whose career has spanned six decades, said that when Trump throws around words like “crooked,” he’s really describing himself. She adds, “psychiatrists have explained how a person who refuses to recognize his own flaws will often project them onto other people.”
The award-winning singer/entertainer writes, “This is a man who has bankrupted companies, reneged on bank loans and he’s cheated small business owners.” She reminds us Trump is notorious for refusing to pay people who have worked for him, and if they don’t like it he says, “Sue me.” He knows most individuals and small businesses don’t have the resources to sue him, even though, Streisand says, “Trump’s been sued nearly 1,500 times over the last 30 years.”
In reaching out, Streisand sends a reminder out to Trump supporters,
To those supporters who believe he’s a rich businessman and think he’s going to make them rich... get the facts straight. Investors in his failed casino ventures lost 90 percent of their money between 1995-2005. When the going gets tough, Trump vanishes. He eventually filed for bankruptcy, leaving others holding the bag.
Streisand gives a good number of examples and reasons why America needs to vote for Hillary Clinton. “Trump was shamed into coming up with the contribution he promised to veterans... Hillary actually got legislation passed” to expand their health care/benefits. And while Donald has vowed to appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn the ruling on marriage equality, Hillary declared that “gay rights are human rights” when she was Secretary of State.

In a most disturbing excerpt, Streisand says one in five of Trump’s supporters believe slavery should never have been abolished. I had to pause after reading that, and again after typing it … and again.
Trump is basically a bully, says Streisand. And like all bullies, he’s a coward. And then when we look at Hillary after she’s been attacked by the Right for decades, we see she’s not only standing, she continues to be exonerated and greatly admired.
“She has negotiated with leaders around the world to keep us safe from nuclear threat because it would destroy the planet... while he shockingly said, ‘If we have nuclear weapons, why can’t we use them?’”
Then why is Hillary not getting credit for her accomplishments? “It goes back to something I’ve felt for many years … strong women, powerful women have always been suspect.”
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President Barack Obama presenting Barbra Streisand with The Medal of Freedom
One of my favorite excerpts from Streisand’s op-ed is when she cites Trump saying Hillary doesn’t look presidential…
What does that mean... coming from a guy who looks like a raccoon in a tanning bed... with a flying squirrel on his head? That’s what a president is supposed to look like? A wrestler who dies his hair blonde?
Snap! But Streisand is actually terrified when it comes to the Right continuing to plant lies into the minds of Americans again and again, because they can—and because it often works.
We can’t allow ourselves to be swiftboated again. We can’t let that happen to Hillary... a woman who has the temperament and the experience to be president... unlike Donald Trump, whose idea of foreign policy was bringing the Miss Universe pageant to Russia. How can you support a man who says, “Women... you have to treat them like sh—“ and believes such hateful things about 51 percent of the American population?
Streisand stresses not only that we need to vote for Hillary Clinton in November, but also vote for Democratic senators and congresspersons to end the negative obstruction. She wants lawmakers who work to get legislation passed on issues like gun control and campaign finance reform. She says her heart sinks over the billions of dollars that’s already been spent during this presidential election cycle. “Just think what that kind of money could have done for medical research ... our schools ... our infrastructure.”
 

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It depends on whether you watch the debate. For those who don't watch and rely on
the MSM, Hillary will be crowned the winner.
 
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Always love when people tout entertainers political opinions as if they mean something. Does anyone actually give a shit what Barbra Streisand thinks? Same shit with Clint Eastwood.
 

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If Hillary falls any further in the polls, BABS should start looking at real estate in Austraila and Canada.
 

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