Will `Fahrenheit 9/11' Burn the Democrats?

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June 29 (Bloomberg) -- A political activist rang me up and told me I had to see the new documentary about the president.

``It's chilling,'' he said. ``It shows what a slimeball this guy is.''

So I saw the movie, and it was -- how to put this? -- a crock. Watching it I thought: Whoever produced this slanderous mess deserves to be run out of polite society.

That was 10 years ago, and the documentary was a slapdash confection of lies and innuendo called ``The Clinton Chronicles.''

It accused Bill Clinton -- slyly and indirectly -- of drug- running and worse. There was no evidence but lots of insinuation, a series of meaningless coincidences presented in breathless tones so the weak-minded might connect dots that weren't there.

Now the U.S. is being treated to the same kind of exercise, on a much grander scale, with Michael Moore's scabrous ``Fahrenheit 9/11.'' And once again weak-minded ideologues are lapping it up like hungry pups.

Big Difference

There's a big difference, though. Polite society, especially the mainstream press, recognized the producers of ``The Clinton Chronicles,'' a California-based group called Citizens for Honest Government, as the fools they were. After hawking the film on his TV show, the televangelist Jerry Falwell never quite recovered what little reputation he had once enjoyed. Years later, he was still apologizing in TV appearances for associating himself with the movie.

Now, however, the paranoid strain has so thoroughly saturated U.S. politics that Moore's cinematic slander can be feted and extolled -- not only by mainstream movie reviewers but, more ominously, by the same Democratic Party establishment that Moore accuses of colluding with President George W. Bush.

At the Washington premiere of ``Fahrenheit 9/11'' last week, Moore was conspicuously greeted for the cameras by Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

``There might be half the Democratic Senate here,'' Senator Bob Graham of Florida told the New York Times.

Unlike the Democratic Party, Moore has always prided himself on his radicalism. So who's changed -- Moore or the Democratic Party?

Surprised by Surprise

I saw the movie at an early showing on Saturday afternoon in a packed theater in my heavily liberal Washington suburb. As the film unspooled, the audience laughed, fell silent, and tut-tutted to Moore's heavy-handed cues with Pavlovian discipline.

I, on the other hand, was unmoved. (Maybe you've noticed.) But I was surprised by the movie -- and surprised by my surprise.

Shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Moore posted this on his Web site: ``We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants.''

So I wasn't surprised that Moore is, um, skeptical about U.S. motives for invading Iraq. To the extent he has an explicit thesis at all, it's that the invasion was a scheme to divert attention from the Bush family's involvement with the family of Osama bin Laden.

Shadings of Fact

And having followed Moore's career, I wasn't surprised by his shadings of fact. When he says that ``many studies'' showed Al Gore won the vote in Florida, for example, he neglects to mention that many more, including recounts by the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post, say Gore did not.

And I wasn't surprised that when he ridicules Bush for sitting passively in front of a classroom of schoolchildren directly after learning of the attacks, he omits the reaction of the school principal.

``I don't think anyone could have handled it better'' than Bush did, the principal, Gwendolyn Tose-Rigell, told the Sarasota Herald-Tribune.

And I wasn't surprised that Moore accuses -- if ``accuse'' is a synonym for ``insinuate'' -- Bush of approving the flight of the bin Laden family from the U.S. after Sept. 11. Why, the family's passports weren't even checked, Moore says, even though ``that's what would happen to you or I.''

I wasn't surprised that they don't teach grammar in film school.

Moore's Method

What did surprise me, though, was the crudity of Moore's method. Moore calls his movie an ``op-ed,'' but it is written in Crayola, with a heavy grip.

He mostly avoids straightforward factual assertions -- which makes the movie harder to confront and argue with -- in favor of ellipsis and misdirection. The music is alternately creepy (that's how you know he's being serious) and chipper (that's how you know he's being sarcastic). His cultural allusions show the depth of the Baby Boomer satirist, ranging from TV reruns like ``Dragnet'' to TV reruns like ``Bonanza.''

The movie's only powerful moments -- of soldiers in Iraq, of the immediate aftermath of the Twin Towers' collapse -- come in footage Moore has acquired from other sources.

Party Embrace

Will anyone care that the movie, viewed as either art or journalism, is a mess? ``Fahrenheit 9/11'' has a Palme d'Or from the Cannes film festival -- and now the implicit endorsement of the Democratic Party establishment.

This embrace of Moore's crackpottery is great news for Moore, very bad news for Democrats -- just as the GOP's kooky flirtations under Clinton did damage it has yet to recover from.

By the way, I eventually lost track of my political-activist friend, but I heard about him the other day. Apparently he's urging people to boycott ``Fahrenheit 9/11.'' It's the work of an extremist, he says. And who would know better?
 

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so you are saying bush it a good president? that is a crock. what are we in iraq fighting for again??? remind me i forget.....oh yeah, weapons of mass destruction.

but wait, in august of 2001 we received word that bin landen was planning an attack, but wait, we can't bother bush on his farm, yaht, ranch or where ever he may be.

if you support this a-hole for the mess he caused over in iraq, you are as big of a dumb ass as he.

another thing, you want someone in office who needs to tell him when to shit, and when to not. hell, tell him how to shit for that matter.

his incident in the classroom was disturbing. he had no idea what to do, fine.....i would have been the same way, but i am not the president. and i know i would not have been sitting there reading polly the duck when i just heard we are under attack

get this clueless ass whipe out of office. kerry can be no worse. this is all we need another enemy.

maybe if bush and his dad's head wasnt so far up the saudi's ass they would hit afganastan and find bin laden, but wait, that would stop their never ending flow of green backs, and hurt the US economy.

who cares about the americans, as long as the US fills their pockets

what a crock, FVCK bush. my dead grandmother could run the country better than him.

we are just in the midst of whats to come in ways of attacks on america. bin laden is sitting back and loving this, what an ass whipe bush is
 

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The Clinton movie was pure bullshit fantasy by fringe lunatics with low-wattage brainpower. The Moore film is being seen by millions of people and doesn't push any ideas so preposterous that the majority would just tune it out without bothering.

You could say both films take liberties and push agendas but Moore has a much easier case to make. He doesn't have to torture reality to prove Bush is secretly living a double life as Don Corleone like the Clinton-bashers tried vainly to do, he just has to show film clips of George being himself. It doesn't take more than that for the average person to see he/she is being led by a poor little rich boy fool.
 

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Part of the reason some people scoff at Mr. Moore's claims is because it oozes nothing but bias. It reminds me of a young, cocky DA who goes to court and instead of trying to convict someone for murder, he adds jaywalking, disturbing the peace and littering. A lot of this stuff has made the headlines but people just don't remember. If this movie leaves the public eye before the election, it would be logical to assume that they'll forget everything.
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To be honest, I don't know what Bush could have done in those 7 minutes he stayed in the classroom had he left other than create hysteria. I wish everyone voting for Kerry luck as he has already said that leaving Iraq prematurely isn't an option.

On that note, I'll be entertaining offers for my vote(will consider sexual favors from the right woman otherwise cash) and if anyone here will accept my word that I'll vote for the candidate of their choosing, let the bidding begin. My highest bid so far is $39.21 from one of my co-workers.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>To be honest, I don't know what Bush could have done in those 7 minutes he stayed in the classroom had he left other than create hysteria. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean like, as opposed to the ongoing mass hysteria that the attacks themselves had already created?? Makes perfect sense to me
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>On that note, I'll be entertaining offers for my vote(will consider sexual favors from the right woman otherwise cash) and if anyone here will accept my word that I'll vote for the candidate of their choosing, let the bidding begin. My highest bid so far is $39.21 from one of my co-workers.
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I think that is a Felony. Money for vote

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you are right about bush with the 7 mins. but he was told before he sat down. he could have done something. he was waiting for someone to tell him what to do. some of bush's comments in the film showed is disconcern with the US. i forget what the question was, but it was something of importance when he was playing golf.

he gave a short sentence and then laughed and said "now watch my golf swing"<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uncle Moneybags:
bigbet1234 and others,

Part of the reason some people scoff at Mr. Moore's claims is because it oozes nothing but bias. It reminds me of a young, cocky DA who goes to court and instead of trying to convict someone for murder, he adds jaywalking, disturbing the peace and littering. A lot of this stuff has made the headlines but people just don't remember. If this movie leaves the public eye before the election, it would be logical to assume that they'll forget everything.
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To be honest, I don't know what Bush could have done in those 7 minutes he stayed in the classroom had he left other than create hysteria. I wish everyone voting for Kerry luck as he has already said that leaving Iraq prematurely isn't an option.

On that note, I'll be entertaining offers for my vote(will consider sexual favors from the right woman otherwise cash) and if anyone here will accept my word that I'll vote for the candidate of their choosing, let the bidding begin. My highest bid so far is $39.21 from one of my co-workers.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skyweasel:
Moore has a much easier case to make. He doesn't have to torture reality to prove Bush is secretly living a double life as Don Corleone like the Clinton-bashers tried vainly to do, he just has to show film clips of George being himself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny, that.

I actually wish Moore had shown twice as many clips of George Being George ... there is so much footage to choose from. His cut and paste routine undermines his credibility, imo.
 

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Eventhough I am not a fan of Kerry. I actually hope that he wins so Michael Moore can shut the Fxck up!!!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You mean like, as opposed to the ongoing mass hysteria that the attacks themselves had already created?? Makes perfect sense to me <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn it! How could I be so stupid? Bush could have easily eased the pain and suffering happening in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania as well as the nation.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think that is a Felony. Money for vote <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Votes are purchased in every election, my friend. I find it especially comical that you're unwilling to participate in something like this yet many states would consider tax evasion and illegal gambling on sporting events to be serious crimes which you, no doubt, have flaunted in the past unless you're in the very small minority who declare everything in which case the sports betting would probably be only a misdemeanor depending on the state.
 

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Bush has been a horrible president, no denying that. Runaway deficits, lying to all of us to get his little war with Iraq. He has to go.
 

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People voted against the democrats in 2002 in part because of the inappropriate behavior the demi's put on at the Paul Wellstone memorial. I see the same thing happening here regarding Moore's crap. People are fed up with the looney left politicians.
 

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"People voted against the democrats in 2002 in part because of the inappropriate behavior the demi's put on at the Paul Wellstone memorial. I see the same thing happening here regarding Moore's crap. People are fed up with the looney left politicians."

It was actually a combo of what happened with Clinton, Gore's lack of carisma and the fixed Florida election.
 

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you are right about bush with the 7 mins. but he was told before he sat down. he could have done something. he was waiting for someone to tell him what to do. some of bush's comments in the film showed is disconcern with the US. i forget what the question was, but it was something of importance when he was playing golf.

Anyone who actually paid attention that day realizes that NOBODY KNEW IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK WHEN THE FIRST PLANE HIT. To claim otherwise is pure b.s. Just more spin from the loonie left that unfortunately sucks in the dimwitted.
 

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Those seven minutes are absolutely crucial because the Prez is the only man that can authorize the shooting down of airliners and those suckers move very fast
And as we know a plane crashed into the Pentagon at around 9:30 AM
Maybe, just maybe those seven minutes made a difference because there is an airbase near Washington DC yet no fighter took off?
WHY?????????????????????
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Those seven minutes are absolutely crucial because the Prez is the only man that can authorize the shooting down of airliners <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not correct. If I'm not mistaken, Cheney ordered the destruction of one of the rogue flights.

After reading this thread again, let me make it clear that I think that he should have left but there was nothing he could've done. I'll give him a pass on that one.
 

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joint says:
"People voted against the democrats in 2002 in part because of the inappropriate behavior the demi's put on at the Paul Wellstone memorial. I see the same thing happening here regarding Moore's crap. People are fed up with the looney left politicians."

kaya responds:
It was actually a combo of what happened with Clinton, Gore's lack of carisma and the fixed Florida election.

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kaya man,

You have your election spin screwed up. The things you spew (Clinton, Gore, Florida)happened in 2000 not 2002. Wellstone happened 02 and the republican gained in the Senate and the House after that cultish memorial.
That "fixed" Florida election really pissed off the people in 2000 and in response, the people of Florida responded by what? By re-electing Jeb Bush. You don't make sense.

Gore got a big bump after nominating Lieberman and Kerry may get a little one after the convention and my the truck will back up to the door. OK, not a truck, but it is one of those bets that won't lose and I said if I ever see one of those, I will hit it hard. Haven't seen one this easy in the eight years I've been playing the game! Arnold winning California at even money was very easy but still not as easy as this!
 

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You leftys are hilarious. "Florida was fixed".....LOL "WE had notice in aug 2001 that Benny Laden was planning to attack.

tell me this...WHAT HAPPENED IN TENNEESEE??????????????

and im sure you missed the fact that Benny Laden DECLARED WAR ON AMERICA IN 1996.
THATS WAR YOU LEFTYS, NOT AN ATTACK ...WAR!!
your hero and morals mentor had 5 YEARS to respond and his response was??????

O....on a side note in 1997 the most ignorant J Kerry wrote a book on terrorism....THAT DOESNT MENTION BENNY LADEN ANYWHERE IN THE BOOK!and declares the biggest threat of the Taliban was opium growing.

But i know..... GWB should be beheaded for not taking action in the less than 7 months he had been on the job.
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lol u people are hilarious

7 MINS.....LOL
 

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