WIL! Did you see the story on SBR about Betmill?

Paterno · Jun 8, 2006

wilheim said:
Bigbet, you can cry all you want but there is little I can do about disputes at other websites. I have no idea who the player is much less what is actual story is. The way it works is a player comes on this forum (regardless how many posts) and creats a thread about a dispute which can be looked into. Because of your post I went over to SBR and don't see any BetMill threads on their forum, whcih doesn't mean it is not there - I coldn't fine anything. Even if I did it still does not allow me to call up BetMill and make an inquiry which is something I can only do at the actual players request.

The best advice I can give you is if you are worried about your money then please do not hesitate to make a withdrawal.

My whole point is there is no way for me to even answer any allegations against a book when the actual player is not the one posting the dispute.

wil.

Sorry Wil if I misunderstood your statement earlier. I completely understand about you not being able to be involved. I just think its ok to post the story. I dont think Bigbet was actually asking u to get involved, it was more to grab your attention. I could be wrong though.

bigbet1234 · Jun 8, 2006

Wil, you were in contact with pokerreview for the dude with 100K right? why not contact SBR and see what they have to say?

It's beyond me why you so called "watchdog" sites dont work together.

and what im doing is not crying, i am trying to gather information.

BB

wilheim said:
Bigbet, you can cry all you want but there is little I can do about disputes at other websites. I have no idea who the player is much less what is actual story is. The way it works is a player comes on this forum (regardless how many posts) and creats a thread about a dispute which can be looked into. Because of your post I went over to SBR and don't see any BetMill threads on their forum, which doesn't mean it is not there - I couldn't fine anything. Even if I did it still does not allow me to call up BetMill and make an inquiry which is something I can only do at the actual players request.

The best advice I can give you is if you are worried about your money then please do not hesitate to make a withdrawal.

My whole point is there is no way for me to even answer any allegations against a book when the actual player is not the one posting the dispute.

wil.

bigbet1234 · Jun 8, 2006

Also, if you missed the big write up on SBR, maybe you need some sleep

SportSavant · Jun 8, 2006

bigbet1234 said:
Wil, you were in contact with pokerreview for the dude with 100K right? why not contact SBR and see what they have to say?

It's beyond me why you so called "watchdog" sites dont work together.

and what im doing is not crying, i am trying to gather information.

BB

have you not ever heard the story that too many chefs spoil the broth?

if SBR needs help they will ask for it BB...

we havent even been contacted by a punter?

cmon now......

wilheim · Jun 9, 2006

Bigbet, you don't seem to get it. I can't do anything without knowing who the player is. I can't call BetMill and I can't ask SBR to disclose facts about who he is. As matter of fact I did try to help the Noble Poker guy today along with a Sportbetting.com dispute and also offered to help out with an issue with The Greek.com. In the process I worked with Bill Dozer from SBR but the subject of BetMill never came up.

Right now I am trying to grade the Skybook Plasma TV contest so I can call it a day.

vinividivinci · Jun 9, 2006

bigbet1234

The truth, sadly, is that if you are gambling with anyone that requires second hand assistance in getting paid you are truly gambling on the bet and also on the collection.

Also, you already know this. Sad, but true.

VVV

Paterno · Jun 9, 2006

Bigbet1234-I dont understand why you are getting so much heat for this thread.

Buzzsaw · Jun 9, 2006

We would welcome Wil's help on this issue, We plan to appeal up the ladder to the COO but I would appreciate any help the Rx can be. Wil, I will have Bill brief you on all matters of this case.

My take on this is simple; BOS is not following their TOS. No where is their TOS does it say they can confiscate winnings because they feel the player is sharp. They have basically made a rule on the fly and that is wrong.

Halifax · Jun 9, 2006

The Warlord said:
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Also if you are a scalper, betting 5k is as easy as 500 bucks.
Not saying bigbet is 1, but its possible

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Of course he's scalping.

I don't doubt that BigBonus is making $5K bets (he obviously likes everyone to be aware of that) ... but what he neglects to tell you is that he's got another bet for $4,975 on the other side.

Not that there's anything wrong with that ... right, Fishhead ?

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So what if he's a bonus whore ... he's asking some pretty legit questions in this thread, that need to be answered.

Too bad BOS is doing this kind of crap again .. they had done a pretty decent job of rebuilding their reputation during the past couple of years.

ChuckSims · Jun 9, 2006

I am glad "bigbet1234" brought this post over to The RX to warn people about this SHIT book Millennium. Well respected poster "Krackman" posted here last week that he was robbed by BetMill too.

When is someone going to stand up to these scumbags? Stealing money from players cannot be tolerated.

bigbet1234 · Jun 9, 2006

First off Halifax, before jumping to conclusions get your facts straight. I take what is offereed to me period.

BB

Halifax said:
So what if he's a bonus whore ... he's asking some pretty legit questions in this thread, that need to be answered.

Too bad BOS is doing this kind of crap again .. they had done a pretty decent job of rebuilding their reputation during the past couple of years.

bigbet1234 · Jun 9, 2006

thanks Buzz, understand now Wil?

BB

Buzzsaw said:
We would welcome Wil's help on this issue, We plan to appeal up the ladder to the COO but I would appreciate any help the Rx can be. Wil, I will have Bill brief you on all matters of this case.

My take on this is simple; BOS is not following their TOS. No where is their TOS does it say they can confiscate winnings because they feel the player is sharp. They have basically made a rule on the fly and that is wrong.

wilheim · Jun 9, 2006

Buzzsaw, thanks for posting, I will be glad to help in anyway I can and will contact Bill tomorrow.

Bigbet - whatever.

Good night,wil.

Halifax · Jun 9, 2006

bigbet1234 said:
First off Halifax, before jumping to conclusions get your facts straight. I take what is offereed to me period.

BB

Settle down, BigFella ... if someone offers me a 50% bonus, I take it too ... nothing wrong with that ... but let's call a spade a spade .. if someone goes to a book strictly for the bonus, plays through the rollover, and then pulls out, that's called "whoring a bonus" ... and I would say the following quote of yours is a perfect example of bonus whoring:

I took advantage of their 50% CASH bonus deal.

Ran up a hefty balance. And was paid my entire balance in 3 days.

Again, nothing illegal or immoral about it ... they offered it, you took it ... but let's not deny the obvious.

PatrickMcIrish · Jun 9, 2006

SCnit said:
06.08.2006 (04:01 PM CST)

BetOnSports (SBR rating C), who has reduced his limits from $10,000 to $1,000; thereby increasing the amount of wagers he must make to complete his rollover from 9 to 90.....

Just talking in general here but I hate that cut your bet stuff when you are trying to complete a rollover. I just don't think it's right to change a deal halfway through it. If a player was able to bet 10k and is now reduced to 1k then the rollover should be reduced to 10% of what it was. I got stuck years back in a shit book where I was able to bet 2k a game and then got reduced to $50 a game. I think I still had about a 15k rollover to get through, being able to suddenly only bet $50 bucks a game didn't make it any fun. Nor was it fair IMO.

ChuckSims · Jun 9, 2006

No wonder the BOS people make so much money that they can buy other sportsbooks. $10,000 limits and higher to all. All losers that is.

Anybody dare win, will have thier bonuses stolen and all winnings won with the bonuses confiscated. Limits greatly reduced to bettors that win while losers can bet their monthly salary on any given game.

bigbet1234 · Jun 9, 2006

Listen chief, quit jumping to conclusions. I pulled my whole balance cause when I asked Shrink if they were sister sites, and told me yes, "the are sista's!"

I noticed the lines were the same, so..........genius, I have a shit load in betmill, so why carry a balance at both, when you get just about the same line?

Again, this has nothing to do with betting size, bonuses whoring or whatever. I simply came here looking for some feedback on if my money is safe. Are there more complaints of this type of service? I am winning a bit at Betmill, and have lost to them quite a bit too, I am not even yet there, but who's to say they wont pull the same stuff on me.

So I figure I can post and Wil will find something out for me, but as usual Wil is his normal ASSHOLE self, tells me Im crying and there is nothing he can do. But low and behold here comes BUZZ and says he could use any help Wil has to offer.

then I get a nice arrogant "WHATEVER" from the old mighty Wil, when I simply ask if he "understands now"

Will, you need to loosen your jock a bit, the ship doesnt need to be run this tight. I know we bump heads, but damn, so do the Shink and I and he is still polite and curtious. You have already ran off a few GOOD poster, Woof and Kiss1 come to mind.

Anways, I guess I will get my info from other sites, I forgot this place is becoming a "Advertising promotion whore" not interested in helping out the posters who make the site what it is.

BB

Halifax said:
Settle down, BigFella ... if someone offers me a 50% bonus, I take it too ... nothing wrong with that ... but let's call a spade a spade .. if someone goes to a book strictly for the bonus, plays through the rollover, and then pulls out, that's called "whoring a bonus" ... and I would say the following quote of yours is a perfect example of bonus whoring:

Again, nothing illegal or immoral about it ... they offered it, you took it ... but let's not deny the obvious.

copacabana · Jun 9, 2006

Bigbet,

How dare you critisize a Platinum Sportsbook?

No matter what they do to customers, they pay good money to sponsor and lets all say how wonderful they are.

I'd like to say how simply super-duper Betmill and BoS are.

ucking:

Fishhead · Jun 9, 2006

BB- Speaking as a good friend of yours.

Wil deals with MANY disputes on a daily basis, many behind the scenes and works his butt off doing so.

Speaking from my own experiences dealing with disputes(many at the sametime) and not NEARLY in the same capacity as Wilheim does, it is very difficult to if not impossible to begin a case without the actual player contacting us in some capacity.

Understand, in this business there is for a better term, a lot of "smoke" being started a lot of times over nothing(and CERTAINLY NOT saying that is the case here).

Anyway, Im a terrible writer so not sure if this coming through like it should...............BUT understand that WILHEIM has dealt personally with every dispute thrown his way about BOS since they have become an advertiser and to the best of my knowledge in every circumstance the situation has been taken care of to the satisfaction of all parties involved.

Again, for what WILHEIM does for this industry as a whole and the positive influence he brings, believe you should go a little easier on him.

His job is one that very, very few hear could do for ONE week, let alone beyond a year.................trust me on this buddy and believe me that Wil and any other mod will do the very best they can to help any poster if they come forward.

Just so you know that I am not kissing ass here, I would say this for the majority, if not all, watchdog/forum sites that have individuals that try to help players.............The Bill Doziers, Generals, Majors, SbrJohns, Wilheims, etc., etc of the forum world............and the majority of mods that are affiliated with these sites.

jwunderdog · Jun 9, 2006

Everyone relax for a day. I agree with Wil that up until last night his assistance was not asked for therefore little he could do. I also agree with BB that if you learn of possible problems at another site with a book it is good to have it posted here where some posters may have $ with the book in question.