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Not much in the Bible has ever been verified, to the best of my knowledge. Sure there are some historical characters that have checked out, but that's no more impressive than any history textbook.

I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't believe, but as an "unbeliever", I am looking for some solid evidence.
 

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No proof cited in the quote below - but if you follow the link they do offer some proof.

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html


The Smithsonian Department of Anthropology has this to say about the Bible.

“Much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated.”
 

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edub69 said:
Not much in the Bible has ever been verified, to the best of my knowledge. Sure there are some historical characters that have checked out, but that's no more impressive than any history textbook.

I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't believe, but as an "unbeliever", I am looking for some solid evidence.

faith my son
 
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Here is a question that has never been answered to my satisfaction:

If I grow up on a deserted island and live there forever with no human contact, no bible, and no church to attend, how will I even know that I am supposed to believe in the Christian version of god, let alone any version?
 
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ktvvegas said:
No proof cited in the quote below - but if you follow the link they do offer some proof.

http://agards-bible-timeline.com/q9_historical_proof_bible.html


The Smithsonian Department of Anthropology has this to say about the Bible.

“Much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated.”

I grant that the Bible probably has a lot of accurate historical information, however what I am looking for is the Jesus walking on water type of stuff.
 
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the bible passes the test of historicity with flying colors. there is more manuscript evidence for the bible (especially the new testament documents) than any other book from the ancient world. the original texts from the new testament are dated within 20-60 years of the events described leaving no time for legendary development. there are enough ancient copies of the new testament (quoted in writings of the early church leaders) to feel confident that the text has not changed since it was written and the bible we have today is exactly as it was written. the discovery of the dead sea scrolls in the late 1940s confirmed the accuracy of certain old testament books as well.

an interesting side note is that all but one of the new testament authors was murdered for his faith and his refusal to recant what he had written and believed in. for me, that is one of the most compelling arguements in support of the historical accuracy of those documents. a lot of people will die for a lie (mohammed atta for example) but, i know of no one who would die for a lie knowing its a lie. those authors had first hand experience with Jesus and recorded certain events from their experience. they were, for the most part, poor uneducated fishermen who were put to death for their faith and refused to back down when given the opportunity. has a ring of authenticity to me.

if you cannot trust the bible as a reliable document, you cannot trust any book from the ancient world.

now, as far as why i believe the bible is the truth...well, that would take me hours and hours to type. i dont really mind doing it but, i feel that most people reading this thread would probably call me a moron, or a religious freak or some other endearing name. so, i dont think i'll take the time to do it in this forum.
 
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edub69 said:
Here is a question that has never been answered to my satisfaction:

If I grow up on a deserted island and live there forever with no human contact, no bible, and no church to attend, how will I even know that I am supposed to believe in the Christian version of god, let alone any version?

If you lived like that you would be more likely to regard the sun or the mountains as Gods/things to be revered IMO.
 
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Maybe since GWB has a "direct line" to God we could have our Great Leader ask God that question for ya Blue ....
 

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the Bible says He has put eternity into the hearts of men, and I think that means that inside deep, we all know there is a God and eternity is awaiting us after death.


I believe the Bible, but I live like a heathen. The rx is solely to blame for this
 
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God is real, Religion is a crock of shit. Follow your heart and realize that God is Love and all the fear, hate, and lies is created by man(much like the bible).

Dime
 
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doc mercer said:
Maybe since GWB has a "direct line" to God we could have our Great Leader ask God that question for ya Blue ....

Here's why lefties dont 'get it.' I remember a dem partisan saying on TV that Bush was "crazy" because Bush believes he can "talk to God." The Dem party don't 'get it'!

Every christian believes he can talk to God through prayer and so do many members of other religions.
 

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edub69 said:
Not much in the Bible has ever been verified, to the best of my knowledge. Sure there are some historical characters that have checked out, but that's no more impressive than any history textbook.

I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't believe, but as an "unbeliever", I am looking for some solid evidence.

best way to find this out is pray and ask this question

"God if you're real and the Bible is real than reveal it to me"
 
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edub69 said:
I am looking for some solid evidence


Holysmoke said:
faith my son


What is faith? It is the confident assurance that what we hope for is going to happen. It is the evidence of things we cannot yet see.
 

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You guys crack me up. Are you really going to convert somebody on a gambling forum? And why do you care what the others believe. But I know, sometimes it's just irresistable to point something out, so I will do the same. As I said, I really don't care what y'all belive, however, you bible thumpers should at least be realisitc rather than only using the parts of the Bible you like......


"Many people feel gambling is only a game that is fun, but the Bible tells us this evil is a terrible sin that will lead to poverty"
http://www.bible.com/answers/agamblin.html
 

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Big Sammy said:
You guys crack me up. Are you really going to convert somebody on a gambling forum? And why do you care what the others believe. But I know, sometimes it's just irresistable to point something out, so I will do the same. As I said, I really don't care what y'all belive, however, you bible thumpers should at least be realisitc rather than only using the parts of the Bible you like......


"Many people feel gambling is only a game that is fun, but the Bible tells us this evil is a terrible sin that will lead to poverty"
http://www.bible.com/answers/agamblin.html

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Big Sammy said:
You guys crack me up... And why do you care what the others believe.

Go to hell bitchhhh. Why do I care what you think.:digit:
 
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Big Sammy said:
You guys crack me up. Are you really going to convert somebody on a gambling forum? And why do you care what the others believe. But I know, sometimes it's just irresistable to point something out, so I will do the same. As I said, I really don't care what y'all belive, however, you bible thumpers should at least be realisitc rather than only using the parts of the Bible you like......

guy asked a question...i tried to answer it. isnt that what goes on in this forum all the time?
 
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edub69 said:
I grant that the Bible probably has a lot of accurate historical information, however what I am looking for is the Jesus walking on water type of stuff.

my experience discussing this topic suggests that, before you can answer a question like "why should i believe the bible" you have to answer a few other questions first:

1) is truth knowable?
2) is there a God?
3) are miracles possible?

if you answer no to any of the above, you will never believe the bible.
 

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:lol: , Let's not be quite so sensitive guys. I'm just pointing out a fact that I think is ridiculous not to consider. Doesn't Jesus tell us to love one another and forgive. Why all the hate? :icon_conf
 
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Biggie, you're confusing satire with "hate":lolBIG:
 

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