I like how you get these moronic numbers ... you're starting to sound like a 9/11 truther when it comes to the bailout ... slow down.
Of the 65% who don't pay taxes, many (i.e. 65+) have paid taxes for decades and have retired.
Of the 65% who don't pay taxes, many (i.e. children/teenagers) will have to pay back the money that you and Bushie want to borrow-and-spend.
Of the 65% who don't pay taxes, many (i.e. children/teenagers) will have to pay back the money that you and Bushie want to borrow-and-spend.
A socialist government would let the system fail.
Then hoover up the best bits for state ownership at pennies on the dollar.
There's nothing socialist about what's going on.
This is a jobs for the boys bailout by the ultra rich American aristocracy.
And the US taxpayer gets to hold the bag.
As a lifelong socialist I can assure you chaps that this particular party has absolutely feck-all to do with socialism.
Then hoover up the best bits for state ownership at pennies on the dollar.
There's nothing socialist about what's going on.
This is a jobs for the boys bailout by the ultra rich American aristocracy.
And the US taxpayer gets to hold the bag.
As a lifelong socialist I can assure you chaps that this particular party has absolutely feck-all to do with socialism.
we have a mix of statism and socialism which is allowed to grow and grow as much as it wants due to the federal reserve system
what's going on right now with this particular bill is the statism part
once the dems start throwing around all kinds of worker programs....like 25 bil to auto coming...that's the socialism part
Tiz.
As a socialist I should be cheering even more than a Ron Paul kook as things go
up.
The people trying to prop things up believe in revenue liberalism and corporate fascism.
This is a centrist right wingers party only, no lefties are invited.
A lefty would let it crash and burn, a lefty WANTS this cappytalist BS to crash and burn.
As a socialist I should be cheering even more than a Ron Paul kook as things go
up.The people trying to prop things up believe in revenue liberalism and corporate fascism.
This is a centrist right wingers party only, no lefties are invited.
A lefty would let it crash and burn, a lefty WANTS this cappytalist BS to crash and burn.
than why are the righties the ones holding up the show on this particular bill?
also there are plenty of lefties involved they trying to shove in more economic stimulus to the bill....like the worker program variety
in the end both left and right the same....corporate fascists (that's who got in office to begin with)....they just talk a bit differently that's all
the lefty's aren't true commies in america
true commies socialize WINNERS....venezula and russia a good example of this state control of oil for instance.....is a commie practice
right now we are socializing losers whether it be banks or auto companies...either way its still the same (i guess auto employs more average joes and gives more people health care like we discussed the other day)....but bottom line they both losers
also there are plenty of lefties involved they trying to shove in more economic stimulus to the bill....like the worker program variety
in the end both left and right the same....corporate fascists (that's who got in office to begin with)....they just talk a bit differently that's all
the lefty's aren't true commies in america
true commies socialize WINNERS....venezula and russia a good example of this state control of oil for instance.....is a commie practice
right now we are socializing losers whether it be banks or auto companies...either way its still the same (i guess auto employs more average joes and gives more people health care like we discussed the other day)....but bottom line they both losers
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not a bad hit tiz but the real reason, in the US, is to prop up the private healthcare and pension systems these entities bankroll.
These are irrelevant in a socialist society since we have the state pension, public housing and a national health service.
All governments do help automakers though Tiz, I won't deny that, both from the left and the right, and for various reasons.
obviously the battle in america over the coming decade will be the socialists (obama types, more government controls to fix corruption, etc...) vs. us moonbats (ron paul types, get rid of federal reserve and these crooks lose the ability to do what they do)
who wins once the dust settles is anyone's guess
personally i think the socialists/commies will win....but us moonbats will put up a fight i'm sure
who wins once the dust settles is anyone's guess
personally i think the socialists/commies will win....but us moonbats will put up a fight i'm sure
like a dem today in senate i was listening to they want this bill
but at the same time they want massive amount of government control to "protect us" from the fascism
basically they just don't want to allow the hanktator the ability to do whatever he wants with our money
instead wants courts and proceedings and updates on how things are going along the way etc....to give us the average joes a sense of security that the government is looking out for us....when the reality will be much different.....
the moonbats on the other hand are the ones that want to deal with some major near term pain get it over with in a swift manner (price controls in the FDR days dragged things out longer...plowing under crops shit like that) and hope the masses wake up to the root of the problem big government controls and federal reserve system which is the enabler to all this shit
the dems right now want to add more government to solve the problems...when government is the problem to begin with....like FNM and the housing bubble was promoted by the lefty governments feelings that people deserve a home and shit like that.....
also what we have now is in no way shape or form anything close to free market capitalism which is why the capitalists like us moonbats want this farse system to implode so we can start over and rebuild and end all the big government socialism/fascism/statism whatever u wanna call the various things they do.....
but at the same time they want massive amount of government control to "protect us" from the fascism
basically they just don't want to allow the hanktator the ability to do whatever he wants with our money
instead wants courts and proceedings and updates on how things are going along the way etc....to give us the average joes a sense of security that the government is looking out for us....when the reality will be much different.....
the moonbats on the other hand are the ones that want to deal with some major near term pain get it over with in a swift manner (price controls in the FDR days dragged things out longer...plowing under crops shit like that) and hope the masses wake up to the root of the problem big government controls and federal reserve system which is the enabler to all this shit
the dems right now want to add more government to solve the problems...when government is the problem to begin with....like FNM and the housing bubble was promoted by the lefty governments feelings that people deserve a home and shit like that.....
also what we have now is in no way shape or form anything close to free market capitalism which is why the capitalists like us moonbats want this farse system to implode so we can start over and rebuild and end all the big government socialism/fascism/statism whatever u wanna call the various things they do.....
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The "lefties" in America want stuff to remain in private hands Tiz.
They use taxpayers money to prop up private industry ALL the time.
A socialist government would take control of entire industries, and boot the private guys asses out the front door.
What we're really watching in congress etc is a battle between liberalism and conservatism.
They use taxpayers money to prop up private industry ALL the time.
A socialist government would take control of entire industries, and boot the private guys asses out the front door.
What we're really watching in congress etc is a battle between liberalism and conservatism.
what's going on right now is they are just trying to save their broken system and appease the people enough that they are protecting them with government controls to oversee the spending
lefty and righty constituents of our one party system are very strongly against the orginal proposal given by the hanktator
dems will get to the kicking out part down the road after they stabilize the system
if this system collapses and you have 20% UE rates...than the potential for the masses taking to the streets with pitchforks to throw all of their asses out on the street become a possibility
lefty and righty constituents of our one party system are very strongly against the orginal proposal given by the hanktator
dems will get to the kicking out part down the road after they stabilize the system
if this system collapses and you have 20% UE rates...than the potential for the masses taking to the streets with pitchforks to throw all of their asses out on the street become a possibility
I think a lot of these embattled R's in a close election see this as one last chance to distance themselves from the number one thing that is threatening their job. President Bush and his approval ratings.
I wonder if the commercials are already cut that state "I stood up to the president on the bailout plan...."
I wonder if the commercials are already cut that state "I stood up to the president on the bailout plan...."
also the one world government types starting to beat the drum
the answer to our problems is more controls and more government intervention on a global scale...
wrong answer
government and financial schemers can't save you...only you can....
trust government and you are now seeing what you get for that trust
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Britain's Brown wants new global financial order
Friday September 26, 3:01 pm ET
By Michael Astor, Associated Press Writer
Gordon Brown calls for new global financial order at UN General Assembly
UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called Friday for "a new global financial order" to resolve the financial crisis currently roiling world markets.
In his address before the U.N. General Assembly, Brown said the world was facing the "first real financial crisis" of the global era and that it required an international solution.
"The international institutions created in the aftermath of World War II have not kept pace with the changing global economy. We need national regulators to be cooperative, rules and principles to be consistent and international movements of capital to be transparent," Brown said.
He said the immediate priority was to stabilize financial markets and then work to rebuild the world financial system around clear principles, including increased transparency, regulation, responsibility and global oversight of international capital flows.
"For we must build a new global financial order founded on transparency, not opacity, rewarding success not excess, responsibility, not impunity, and which is global not national," Brown said. "We must clearly state that the age of irresponsibility must be end."
Britain is dealing with the current credit crunch by making over $184 billion available and extending a special liquidity scheme until the end of Jan. 2009, Brown said.
The country also has placed a temporary ban on short-selling.
Brown bemoaned wildly fluctuating oil prices and called for a restart of the stalled Doha round of World Trade Organization talks.
The Doha talks broke down earlier this year after rich nations were unable to reach agreement with developing nations over these agricultural tariffs and subsidies.
On Friday, Brown called for the removal of protectionist trade barriers and subsidies, which he acknowledged denied developing countries some $15 billion in agricultural income each year.
At end of the year, Brown said he would host a global energy summit in London.
Finally, he warned against a tendency toward isolationism in the face of the current crises involving food, fuels and world finance.
"Some say in a time of difficulty we should look inwards and cut aid. That we have excuse for tolerating famine, or for walking by on the other side," Brown said. "Now is not the time to pull up the drawbridge. To seek solace in isolation or revert to an outdated and futile protectionism."
the answer to our problems is more controls and more government intervention on a global scale...
wrong answer
government and financial schemers can't save you...only you can....
trust government and you are now seeing what you get for that trust
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Britain's Brown wants new global financial order
Friday September 26, 3:01 pm ET
By Michael Astor, Associated Press Writer
Gordon Brown calls for new global financial order at UN General Assembly
UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called Friday for "a new global financial order" to resolve the financial crisis currently roiling world markets.
In his address before the U.N. General Assembly, Brown said the world was facing the "first real financial crisis" of the global era and that it required an international solution.
"The international institutions created in the aftermath of World War II have not kept pace with the changing global economy. We need national regulators to be cooperative, rules and principles to be consistent and international movements of capital to be transparent," Brown said.
He said the immediate priority was to stabilize financial markets and then work to rebuild the world financial system around clear principles, including increased transparency, regulation, responsibility and global oversight of international capital flows.
"For we must build a new global financial order founded on transparency, not opacity, rewarding success not excess, responsibility, not impunity, and which is global not national," Brown said. "We must clearly state that the age of irresponsibility must be end."
Britain is dealing with the current credit crunch by making over $184 billion available and extending a special liquidity scheme until the end of Jan. 2009, Brown said.
The country also has placed a temporary ban on short-selling.
Brown bemoaned wildly fluctuating oil prices and called for a restart of the stalled Doha round of World Trade Organization talks.
The Doha talks broke down earlier this year after rich nations were unable to reach agreement with developing nations over these agricultural tariffs and subsidies.
On Friday, Brown called for the removal of protectionist trade barriers and subsidies, which he acknowledged denied developing countries some $15 billion in agricultural income each year.
At end of the year, Brown said he would host a global energy summit in London.
Finally, he warned against a tendency toward isolationism in the face of the current crises involving food, fuels and world finance.
"Some say in a time of difficulty we should look inwards and cut aid. That we have excuse for tolerating famine, or for walking by on the other side," Brown said. "Now is not the time to pull up the drawbridge. To seek solace in isolation or revert to an outdated and futile protectionism."
