Who is more overrated: Donovan Mcnabb or Tony Romo?

[C-Gold]

I always hear people bitching that Mcnabb/Romo are overrated, personally, I think they are both very good quarterbacks, top 10 at the least, more like top 5 though. Are they Manning/Brady? NO, at least 50% of the other teams out there would kill for these guys.

Neither guys wins in the playoffs, but it wouldn't shock me if in the next 3 to 5 years that one of these guys is hoisting the Lombardi trophy up at the end of the year.

So who do you think is more overrated & why, or are they fairly valued?

 

[READYTOROLL]

How can anyone say Mcnabb doesn't win in the playoffs??? Winning two road playoff games last year alone.. Been to NFC Championship game numerous times.. Led them to a Superbowl with their best offensive weapon out with a broken ankle. It's not even close bro.

Romo hasn't accomplished anything yet... He's just been a glamour boy. Like I said not even close-- it's Romo.. way overrated.

 

[YourAllAmerican]

McNabb belongs in the Overrated Hall of Fame. From all the endorsements he's gotten and the glowing praise heaped on him over the years, you'd figure he's one of the best in the game. But the reality is that he's just a better-than-average quarterback, tops. A talent level along the lines of Chris Chandler when Chandler was injury-free and in his prime.

Romo gets the benefit of the doubt for now, since he's only had two full seasons as a starter, but he's suspect. One more year of scoring more with hot chicks than in the playoffs and I'll put him squarely in the category of "Overhyped and Underperformed."

 

[NickelsAndDimes]

why is tony romo even being mentioned in the same breath as donovan mcnabb??? dallas hasnt won a playoff game in 12 years??? D Mack went to NFC Title games with JAMES THRASH and TODD PINKSTON as his WR's...and went to the super bowl without TO even playing in the playoffs..and lost to the patriots by 3 when Belicheck was video taping the other teams practices....mcnabb isnt the slightest bit over rated...Brady and Manning are the elites...after them...Big Ben i guess he has 2 rings....but McNabb is better than anyone else in the league....he had a stud WR 1 year in his whole career....and what did he do that year? 30+ TD's with less than 10 INTs and went the Bowl....Tony Romo :lol::lol::lol: got anymore jokes?

 

[C-Gold]

N&D - Is Mcnabb better than Drew Brees :lol:

How can you say Mcnabb doesn't win in the playoffs... NFC Championships and puke puke puke 1 Super Bowl.

How can you say Romo doesn't win in the playoffs? Because he's been there twice to 2 games. Mcnabb might have got to the NFCC with Todd Stinkston, but he had a solid defense, and Westbrook for much of the time.

People call Romo and Mcnabb choke artists, but it wouldn't shock me if one of them scrapped it together and won the whole damn thing in the next few years. Sometimes Romo just looked unstopable and Mcnabb is a vet.

 

[EasyMoney]

how can you say McNabb doesn't win playoff games? He's been to the playoffs 6 times and has NEVER lost a first round playoff game. In 15 career playoff games his record is 9-6. Oh by the way Peyton Manning has a 7-8 record in the playoffs, but still Manning is considered god while McNabb is a bum.

Also among QB's who have played in at least 9 career playoff games only 10 in the history of football have a better winning % than McNabb. And i mean dating back to 1933 not just the super bowl era. McNabb has a better playoff winning % than all of these QB's:

Steve Young
Bob Griese
Bret Favre
Dan Marino
Jim Kelly
Peyton Manning
Phil Simms
Ken Stabler
Fran Tarkenton
Randell Cuningham

 

[YourAllAmerican]

Is McNabb better than Palmer, Warner, or Rivers?

Is he even better than Pennington, Garrard or Hasselbeck? I lump McNabb squarely in that last group, the guys who are pretty good but not an NFL great.

 

[C-Gold]

Easy Money: Beating the Bucs in round 1 of the playoffs is one thing, winning an NFC Championship game or super bowl is another thing. You can't argue he had stinkston as his WR in the Superbowl... He had TO in his prime.

Why is Peyton Manning considered god and mcabb not so? Peyton Manning WON a superbowl title and has been the best QB in the NFL for the better part of the last 10 years.

Mcnabb has injury issues, he had accuracy issues, he's been in the news for the wrong reasons, and isn't close to being as dominant as Manning is.

If you want to compare him to Romo or somebody else fine, but Peyton Manning is an All Time great, and Mcnabb is not. Good player, sure, but Manning?

People give Manning more credit for one fucking reason: He's better.

 

[EasyMoney]

Is McNabb better than Palmer, Warner, or Rivers?

Is he even better than Pennington, Garrard or Hasselbeck? I lump McNabb squarely in that last group, the guys who are pretty good but not an NFL great.

Here is the differance. Palmer had Johnson and Housh. Warner has Fitz and Boldin. Rivers has Gates, and LT. Who exactly has McNabb ever had at WR. Look at his stats the year and a half he played with T.O. In '04 with T.O. he went 13-2 as the starter with 31 TD's and 8 INt's. McNabb is very good. Not Brady or Manning but he is a franchise QB. And way better than Pennington, Hasselbeck and Garrard. Frankly I can't even believe you through Garrard in the conversation. He is average at best.

 

[C-Gold]

YourallAmerican: Now there's one I don't like. David Garrard isn't shit. Give him 2 pro bowl caliber running backs and tell him to not mess up and he can do that.

Ask him to run a passing attack like Drew Brees runs in New Orleans and you are asking for 4 picks, a sack/fumble, and poor play overall.

Put him on a team without a defense and ask him to win shoot outs, and your team will quickly go down the shitter. Garrard is a nice guy, but nothing more than a game manager that is hyped in the media for some god forsaken reason.

 

[C-Gold]

EM: OK, maybe a more fair statement would be that Mcnabb doesn't win big playoff games that matter.

Beating some 5th and 6th seeds in round one is fine, but how many NFC title games has he won, and how many superbowls has he won?

Yes I understand the NFL is a team game and Marino/Kelly didn't win them either but I'd love to have them as my QB.

I think Mcnabb is fairly rated, but when people start comparing him to David Garrard that's a joke. David Garrard might not even be a starting QB in 1-2 years. That's my point though... some people really don't think Mcnabb is very good. I think he's good, but at the same time it's insulting to talk about him with Brady/Manning.

 

[EasyMoney]

Easy Money: Beating the Bucs in round 1 of the playoffs is one thing, winning an NFC Championship game or super bowl is another thing. You can't argue he had stinkston as his WR in the Superbowl... He had TO in his prime.

Why is Peyton Manning considered god and mcabb not so? Peyton Manning WON a superbowl title and has been the best QB in the NFL for the better part of the last 10 years.

Mcnabb has injury issues, he had accuracy issues, he's been in the news for the wrong reasons, and isn't close to being as dominant as Manning is.

If you want to compare him to Romo or somebody else fine, but Peyton Manning is an All Time great, and Mcnabb is not. Good player, sure, but Manning?

People give Manning more credit for one fucking reason: He's better.

Manning is better, I'm not arguing that. He is way better. I'm just saying their playoff stats are pretty similar and you said he doesn't win playoff games which is factually inaccurate. And as far as the super bowl manning won. He had very little to do with that super bowl run, the defeanse did. Manning threw 3 TD's and 7 INT's in those 4 playoff games, with a QB rating of 68.1. Maybe just maybe if Phily's defeanse doesn't blow a lead with seconds on the clock last year or if New England doesn't film other teams practices McNabb would have a super bowl win to. Winning a super bowl isn't the end all be all of how good a QB is. Dan Marino and Jim Kelly don't have rings either are they overrated?

 

[EasyMoney]

EM: OK, maybe a more fair statement would be that Mcnabb doesn't win big playoff games that matter.

Beating some 5th and 6th seeds in round one is fine, but how many NFC title games has he won, and how many superbowls has he won?

Yes I understand the NFL is a team game and Marino/Kelly didn't win them either but I'd love to have them as my QB.

I think Mcnabb is fairly rated, but when people start comparing him to David Garrard that's a joke. David Garrard might not even be a starting QB in 1-2 years. That's my point though... some people really don't think Mcnabb is very good. I think he's good, but at the same time it's insulting to talk about him with Brady/Manning.

O.K. I agree with that. He's not close to Brady or Manning. In fact if I'm gonna rate QB's right now for this upcoming year I would put McNabb around #6. Behind Brady, Brees, Manning, Warner for sure probably behind Rivers and in the same category as Roethisberger

 

[C-Gold]

Manning is better, I'm not arguing that. He is way better. I'm just saying their playoff stats are pretty similar and you said he doesn't win playoff games which is factually inaccurate. And as far as the super bowl manning won. He had very little to do with that super bowl run, the defeanse did. Manning threw 3 TD's and 7 INT's in those 4 playoff games, with a QB rating of 68.1. Maybe just maybe if Phily's defeanse doesn't blow a lead with seconds on the clock last year or if New England doesn't film other teams practices McNabb would have a super bowl win to. Winning a super bowl isn't the end all be all of how good a QB is. Dan Marino and Jim Kelly don't have rings either are they overrated?

Manning had little to do with winning the SB? He was MVP!!!! The teams they played against had weak offenses and strong defenses, his stats weren't as good as they should have been, but contrast that to say a Trent Dilfer.

What does the Patriots filming the Rams superbowl have to do with Mcnabb?

Marino/Kelly are not overrated and neither is Mcnabb, but he's the worst of the three of them, and he's not as good as Manning/Brady. I don't think Mcnabb is overrated, I think he's good, but when people start comparing him to David Garrard, that's why I started the thread in the first place. Garrard is a turd mobile quarterback that hasn't proved shit to me.

 

[C-Gold]

O.K. I agree with that. He's not close to Brady or Manning. In fact if I'm gonna rate QB's right now for this upcoming year I would put McNabb around #6. Behind Brady, Brees, Manning, Warner for sure probably behind Rivers and in the same category as Roethisberger

1A: Brady/Manning
1B: Brees
I'd say Palmer/Rivers/Big Ben/Mcnabb/Romo/Eli are all in a bunching. I guess I'd have to throw Warner in there too. I think Pennington is better than people give him credit for too and overall he won't put up the numbers as these guys, but he is very efficient.

Aaron Rodgers should take another positve leap this year and could cement himself in the above class.

If Matt Cassell proves he's not an Elvis Grbac he could win favorability from me too.

After that, I'm really not impressed.

 

[YourAllAmerican]

Garrard's not a top-flight quarterback. He's above-average to average, which is specifically why I listed him. His numbers from 2007 and 2008, Garrard's two seasons as a regular starter, are similar to McNabb's. McNabb's passed for a bit more yardage; Garrard's completion percentage and YPA are higher. Interceptions and quarterback ratings are close enough to be called even.

 

[EasyMoney]

ya I forgot about Palmer. He is up there to. In the same range as McNabb, Big ben, Rivers IMO. Rogers, Cassel and Matt Ryan may get up there in a couple years but I can't give them to much credit yet. And I would agree Pennington is underrated.
I guess my whole point was that many, many people rip McNabb and say he isn't very good. I know you personally didn't but many people do and it just baffles me. If you look at his stats and what he has had to work with McNabb is a very good QB and still in the top 5 or 6 in the NFL.

 

[C-Gold]

EasyMoney:

It baffles me that people say that Mcnabb is overrated and it baffles me that people say that Romo is overrated. I mean unless you are the Patriots/Colts/Saints, you really can't do much better than these guys. Calling them overrated is a joke, I mean, the only way they'd be overrated is if you put them on the same level as Manning/Brady and few people are foolish enough to do that. It's pretty simple in my mind how to rate these guys.

David Garrard = game manager. Please take his stats with a grain of salt. It's a lot easier to complete safe passes and hand the ball off and let your defense win games than it is to run a highly complex west coast passing attack. Byron Leftwhich, Jason Campbell and Trent Dilfer all did the game manager routine but none of them could light a candle to Romo/Mcnabb.

You can't look at his interceptions.... Game managers in general don't throw as many picks as guys that actually throw the ball. The NFL all time leading TD thrower is also the NFL all time leading interceptions thrower...

David Garrard picking up his rushing yards here and there doesn't make up for his deficiencies as a passer and as a thinker.

 

[Mr_Mark]

i dont think either player is over ratted but romo gets a little more credit than he deserves sometimes

 

[SpreadOffense]

Hands down, Romo more overrated.