wheres the plane that hit the pentagon

Wrigley · Apr 22, 2006

Dont know if this has been posted here just got a email of this video
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bucbrowns31 · Apr 22, 2006

thats crazy. what does everyone think about it?

Coldweather · Apr 22, 2006

I think the bad Muslims made the plane disappear or took it away after the crash to conjure up a conspiracy theory or something. This is my belief.

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quantumleap · Apr 22, 2006

The US government's cover-up and failure to release relevant information in this incident puts them in the same camp as those who perpetrated this. The failure to explain this holds them as responsible parties in the cover-up.

Eyewitnesses to events such as this and Flight 800 are disregarded and explained away. The shear numbers of people who witness contrary to the US government's findings are testament to the fact that the people of the US are not being served because of these cover-ups.

JMONEY+ · Apr 22, 2006

Mike Walter

<TR><TD>USA Today's Mike Walter was driving near the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet fly directly into the country's military nerve center. [544kB WAV download]
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Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA TODAY

<TR><TD>A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye.

It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Deb Anlauf

<TR><TD>Anlauf was watching TV coverage of the Trade Center burning shortly before 9:30 a.m. when she decided to return to her 14th-floor room from another part of the hotel. Once in her room, she heard a "loud roar" and looked out the window to see what was going on. "Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook."
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David Battle

<TR><TD>Battle, an office worker at the Pentagon, was standing outside the building and just about to enter when the aircraft struck. "It was coming down head first," he said. "And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Omar Campo

<TR><TD>Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head.

"It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane," Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Gary Bauer, former Presidential candidate

<TR><TD>“I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine. “I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment.
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Mickey Bell

<TR><TD>Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane´s wings as it sped by him. In shock, he got into his truck, which had been parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. He wandered around Arlington in his truck and tried to make wireless phone calls. He ended up back at Singleton´s headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much.

The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn´t realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell´s work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Mark Bright, Defense Protective Service officer

<TR><TD>Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building. He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building.

"I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon.

He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "As soon as it struck the building I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental," Bright said. He jumped into his police cruiser and headed to the area. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

James R. Cissell

<TR><TD>''Out of my peripheral vision,'' Cissell said, ''I saw this plane coming in and it was low - and getting lower.

''If you couldn't touch it from standing on the highway, you could by standing on your car.''

In the next seconds dozens of things flashed through his mind.

''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is a big plane.' Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board,'' Cissell said.

He remembers the helipad the plane flew over before smacking into the Pentagon was close enough to him that ''I could have thrown a baseball at it and hit it.'' </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Dan Creed

<TR><TD>He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off.

"It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said.

"I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," Creed recalls. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Don Fortunato

<TR><TD>“Traffic was at a standstill, so I parked on the shoulder, not far from the scene and ran to the site. Next to me was a cab from D.C., its windshield smashed out by pieces of lampposts. There were pieces of the plane all over the highway, pieces of wing, I think.” </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Afework Hagos

<TR><TD>Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Tom Hovis

<TR><TD>Being a former transport type (60's era) I cannot understand how that plane hit where it did giving the direction the aircraft was taking at the time.

As most know, the Pentagon lies at the bottom of two hills from the west with the east side being next to the river at 14th street bridge. One hill is at the Navy Annex and the other is Arlington Cemetery. The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap. Why the plane did not hit incoming traffic coming down the river from the north to Reagan Nat'l. is beyond me. Strangely, no one at the Reagan Tower noticed the aircraft. Andrews AFB radar should have also picked up the aircraft I would think. Nevertheless, the aircarft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer picking off trees and light poles near the helicopter pad next to building. It was as if he leveled out at the last minute and put it square into the building. The wings came off as if it went through an arch way leaving a hole in the side of the building it seems a little larger than the wide body of the aircraft. The entry point was so clean that the roof (shown in news photo) fell in on the wreckage. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Terrance Kean

<TR><TD>Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building nearby, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window.

"I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon. The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Charles H. Krohn

<TR><TD>One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility, said Charles H. Krohn, the Army's deputy chief of public affairs. Those fleeing the building heard a loud secondary explosion about 10 min. after the initial impact. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Maj. Lincoln Leibner

<TR><TD>Maj. Leibner drove in and made it as far as the south parking lot, where he got out on foot. "I heard the plane first," he said. "I thought it was a flyover Arlington cemetery."

From his vantage point, Maj. Leibner looked up and saw the plane come in. "I was about 100 yards away," he said. "You could see through the windows of the aircraft. I saw it hit."

The plane came in hard and level and was flown full throttle into the building, dead center mass, Maj. Leibner said. "The plane completely entered the building," he said. "I got a little repercussion, from the sound, the blast. I've heard artillery, and that was louder than the loudest has to offer. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Elaine McCusker

<TR><TD>Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just ‘No, no, no, no,’ because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

William Middleton Sr.

<TR><TD>William Middleton Sr., was running his street sweeper through the cemetery when he heard a harsh whistling sound overhead. Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft. Middleton said the plane was no higher than the tops of telephone poles as it lurched toward the Pentagon. The jet accelerated in the final few hundred yards before it tore into the building.
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Mare Ann Owens

<TR><TD>Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass.

The thought that I was about to die was immediate and certain. This plane was going to hit me along with all the other commuters trapped on Washington Boulevard.

Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Christine Peterson

<TR><TD>I was at a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left -- and saw a plane flying so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing.

And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened. Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows of smoke and torrents of fire. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Frank Probst

<TR><TD>American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.

"He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze.

"I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'."

He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.

The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Clyde Ragland

<TR><TD>Ragland described billowing black smoke and "what looked like white confetti raining down everywhere." He said it soon became apparent "that the 'confetti' was little bits of airplane, falling down after being flung high into the bright, blue sky." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Tim Timmerman

<TR><TD>A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "It added power on its way in," he said. "The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball." </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Thomas D. Trapasso

<TR><TD>Thomas D. Trapasso, a political appointee in the Clinton Administration who is now looking for work, was making telephone calls from his deck in Arlington Village, about 1 mi. south of the Pentagon and just west of the Interstate 395 (I-395) highway. He was startled by the large American Airlines aircraft flying about 300 ft. overhead. "The engines were just screaming, and the wheels were up," Trapasso said. "It disappeared over the trees, and I heard a boom. I knew something awful had happened--that an airplane had crashed somewhere in Washington, D.C. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Alan Wallace

<TR><TD>About 9:40, Alan Wallace had finished fixing the foam metering valve on the back of his fire truck parked in the Pentagon fire station and walked to the front of the station. He looked up and saw a jetliner coming straight at him. It was about 25 feet off the ground, no landing wheels visible, a few hundred yards away and closing fast.

"Runnnnn!" he yelled to a pal. There was no time to look back, barely time to scramble. He made it about 30 feet, heard a terrible roar, felt the heat, and dove underneath a van, skinning his stomach as he slid along the blacktop, sailing under it as though he were riding a luge. The van protected him against burning metal that was flying around. A few seconds later he was sliding back out to check on his friend and then race back to the firetruck. He jumped in, threw it into gear, but the accelerator was dead. The entire back of the truck was destroyed, the cab on fire. He grabbed the radio headset and called the main station at Fort Myer to report the unimaginable.

The sun was still low in the sky, obscured by the Pentagon and the enormous billowing clouds of acrid smoke, making it hauntingly dark. The ground was on fire. Trees were on fire. Hot slices of aluminum were everywhere. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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Let me know if you need some more examples......

dinojs · Apr 22, 2006

bucbrowns31 said:
thats crazy. what does everyone think about it?

To me, with no knowledge of aiplane crash sites apart from those occassionally on the news or movies, that hole in the pentagon's side does not look like a airplace crash. But I, like almost everyone, really have to conclude, 'well, what the hell do I know'. I like conspiracies, but this seems incredible. If you wanted to create this, why pick the pentagon? Why use a missile and not a plane? I think the risks any madman would be taking would not merit the target - better take less risk and fly a real plane into another civilian target. Having said that, the police state we live in where people are not trusted to see available videos really makes no sense either.

JMONEY+ · Apr 22, 2006

I just want to hear some explanations to what the personal accounts mean that I posted above. Are people going to say those are made up or those people thought the missile was a huge airplane?

Wrigley · Apr 22, 2006

Id like to know why the traffic camera and sheraton Hotel films are not shown to end the conspiracy talk

JMONEY+ · Apr 22, 2006

I can understand you wanting to see that. But I don't think you can automatically assume this was a huge conspiracy, just because you can't see the videos.

dinojs · Apr 22, 2006

JMONEY said:
I just want to hear some explanations to what the personal accounts mean that I posted above. Are people going to say those are made up or those people thought the missile was a huge airplane?

Well, i only looked at the first of your examples, and I think the guy in the audio said he thought it looked like a missile, so I wasn't sure where you were coming from. People make mistakes. If a small jet was used with AA markings, I think many people would not have any clue how big a 757 was supposed to look like. At the end of the day, witness accounts don't get anyone anywhere. People's recollections, even split seconds after seeing something, are notoriously unreliable. By now, even if video footage was released, I think many people would say it was doctored.

dinojs · Apr 22, 2006

But why confiscate those videos (if that is true - hard to know what to believe at all these days)? I mean, all the physical evidence is in the pentagon, and they knew what plane it was - it had been missing for some time and flying into the building. So what were the benefits of taking those tapes? And I don't agree it's a conspiracy just because nobody will release the tapes. I just don't see the reason for it and resent the withholding of information.

JMONEY+ · Apr 22, 2006

dinojs said:
Well, i only looked at the first of your examples, and I think the guy in the audio said he thought it looked like a missile, so I wasn't sure where you were coming from. People make mistakes. If a small jet was used with AA markings, I think many people would not have any clue how big a 757 was supposed to look like. At the end of the day, witness accounts don't get anyone anywhere. People's recollections, even split seconds after seeing something, are notoriously unreliable. By now, even if video footage was released, I think many people would say it was doctored.

"At the end of the day, witness accounts don't get anyone anywhere."

Really????? Better tell that to the justice department.....

First of all, that plane was going 500+ mph. I think that could warrant some explanations as "looking like a missile".

Read some of the other accounts. Some people specifically say that it looked like a big jetliner. I think most average Americans know the difference between a small jet and a 757.

I don't have all the answers and never have claimed to. I am just posing the other side of the story here. I don't think we can just assume this is all a huge conspiracy.

JMONEY+ · Apr 22, 2006

dinojs said:
But why confiscate those videos (if that is true - hard to know what to believe at all these days)? I mean, all the physical evidence is in the pentagon, and they knew what plane it was - it had been missing for some time and flying into the building. So what were the benefits of taking those tapes? And I don't agree it's a conspiracy just because nobody will release the tapes. I just don't see the reason for it and resent the withholding of information.

I definitely understand those points dinojs. I don't know why they would take the tapes. I would like to know all the answers just like everyone else, but I am also not naiive enough to just jump to the side of those saying this is all a conspiracy just because a couple videos have not been shown.

levistep · Apr 22, 2006

Wrigley said:
Id like to know why the traffic camera and sheraton Hotel films are not shown to end the conspiracy talk

dinojs said:
But why confiscate those videos (if that is true - hard to know what to believe at all these days)? I mean, all the physical evidence is in the pentagon, and they knew what plane it was - it had been missing for some time and flying into the building. So what were the benefits of taking those tapes? And I don't agree it's a conspiracy just because nobody will release the tapes. I just don't see the reason for it and resent the withholding of information.

The government is real secretive with info like that even though they know it would end the conspiracy talks. The government didn't release much of the info about the Roswell incident, but you'd have to be crazy to think that aliens landed. Just because they don't release information, it doesn't mean there is a conspiracy.

dinojs · Apr 22, 2006

levistep said:
The government is real secretive with info like that even though they know it would end the conspiracy talks.

But why put up with that crap? I am not going to reread my comments to see if that's all I said, but that is my main point. Not a conpriacy. Not a missile. Fine, if you want me to agree terrorists hijacked those planes and flew them into those targets, OK. No problem. But I think there cannot possibly be some national security to protect here with those videos. And I don't trust politicians to look at all the available info and come to the best conclusions for our wellbeing. Despite the many kooks out there, and I can be included in having some pretty kooky ideas from time to time, allowing the public to interpret information and come to their own conclusions is a healthy thing and should surely be promoted rather than fought. We talk about the efficiency of capital markets and the benefits of free flow of informaiton, and yet we allow just about anybody with a badge to tell us we aren't allowed access to information, with no explanation. And if we get to hear about it - like the US flying prisoners all over the world to foreign prisons, we have valid opinions on the policy, but the key response is to fire and criticize the person to let everyone know. It feels insulting.

JMONEY+ · Apr 22, 2006

Even if they release the videos now, a lot of people are going to just say that the videos have been doctored. So, I don't know if there is even much benefit at this point.

DimeBag · Apr 22, 2006

Although I do find it all extremely fishy, one possible reason that they may not want the video released is to not supply the enemy with a training video for future terrorist attacks on our countries defense headquarters, a video showing a manuever like that in a commercial airliner would be a very usefull study for suicid bombers looking for a free ticket to Arab heaven.

JMONEY+ · Apr 22, 2006

Dime Bag said:
Although I do find it all extremely fishy, one possible reason that they may not want the video released is to not supply the enemy with a training video for future terrorist attacks on our countries defense headquarters, a video showing a manuever like that in a commercial airliner would be a very usefull study for suicid bombers looking for a free ticket to Arab heaven.

There's my buddy Dime Bag.
I agree with this. I was trying to think of reasons why they would not want it released and this is something that I was thinking as well.

Wrigley · Apr 22, 2006

dinojs said:
But why confiscate those videos (if that is true - hard to know what to believe at all these days)? I mean, all the physical evidence is in the pentagon, and they knew what plane it was - it had been missing for some time and flying into the building. So what were the benefits of taking those tapes? And I don't agree it's a conspiracy just because nobody will release the tapes. I just don't see the reason for it and resent the withholding of information.

I never said it was a conspiracy either just was wondering the same ,why not show the tapes. Then the people who really think it is a conspiracy would maybe shutup.

Wrigley · Apr 22, 2006

JMONEY said:
Even if they release the videos now, a lot of people are going to just say that the videos have been doctored. So, I don't know if there is even much benefit at this point.

Good point was someone standing on the grassy knoll of the pentagon the time the plane hit :icon_conf