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I never cared for Bill Clinton because I saw him as a perjurer and oath breaker, but if you look at his time in office strictly by what he accomplished, he wasn't a bad President.

George Bush hasn't perjured himself, he's stuck by his word and he's done what he said he would, but he's not glib, he talks like a cowboy and that smirk he has sends some people over the edge; but he's also been a fairly good president.

I don't get the hate that the extremes have had for each President - Clinton and Bush!

Why don't those of you who are from the good ole US of A, support your president, like him or not!

Those of you that don't can go to hell!
 

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Bush lied about the reasons for dragging our nation into war

Clinton lied about a blowjob

end.of.story.
 

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Look around at the mess the country is in, very apparent that this administration has big problems that start at the top,


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Day in and day out it ceases to amaze me that some people do not see the shambles this country is in. It's so apparent and displayed everywhere you look. There is/was no good reason for our children to die over this in Iraq.
 

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What's the difference between Clinton and Bush?

Clinton had a clue.
Clinton had a brain.
Clinton had the respect of the international community.
Clinton had what it takes to be the leader of the Western world.
Clinton really understood international politics.

Clinton was not on a mission from God.
Clinton was not power mad.

You guys tend to like/dislike him on the Democrat/Republican stuff.
(Or the bj...)

If he'd been a Republican he'd still have been pretty awesome.

But we had had it too good, so God intervened.

God decided to punish us and gave us the muppet in cowboy boots to bring us back down to earth.
 

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God (for you believers) has nothing to do with it. The US deserves to be in the mess they find themselves in today. When you let something like Florida 2000 happen - you have no beef when things go in the toilet 3 years later.


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posted by bblight:
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Why don't those of you who are from the good ole US of A, support your president, like him or not!

Those of you that don't can go to hell!
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"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does NOT mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country."

--Theodore Roosevelt



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Wil, Bush won Florida. it is not his fault that liberals are uneducated and cannot vote properly.

If Clinton would have done his job, Sept 11th wouldn't be known as Sept 11th.
 

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NJ - Same old mantra Clinton did it. Look around and tell me you think we are bettter off today with this administration.


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The democrats are still blaming Reagan for things so I think it is more than fair to blame Bubba for the lapses on his watch that led to the 9/11 attacks.

We are better off today.
 

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Better off - in case you haven't noticed we have flag drapped coffins coming out of Dover everyday. Tell those families how much better off we are. Try to look past dems and reps. In real life things are going to hell, personal freedom in the US is never been worse in my lifetime (since the 50's). I know there is no changing your view of things, I am only suggessting you honestly look at the real on the ground situation in America today.

BOL.wil.
 
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I do not blindly support the GOP but on issues such as national security ,defense and taxes I do and those are the ones I vote on.
 

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NJS: Wil, Bush won Florida. it is not his fault that liberals are uneducated and cannot vote properly.

BAR: Heh. Being uneducated had little to do with JEB! and Katherine Harris blocking over 50,000 legal Florida voters from even casting a vote in the first place.

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VANISHING VOTES
Nation Magazine, May 17, 2004 Issue

On October 29, 2002, George W. Bush signed the Help America Vote Act
(HAVA). Hidden behind its apple-pie-and-motherhood name lies a nasty civil
rights time bomb...

First, the purges. In the months leading up to the November 2000
presidential election, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, in
coordination with Governor Jeb Bush, ordered local election supervisors to
purge 57,700 voters from the registries, supposedly ex-cons not allowed to
vote in Florida. At least 90.2 percent of those on this "scrub" list,
targeted to lose their civil rights, are innocent. Notably, more than
half--about 54 percent--are black or Hispanic. You can argue all night about
the number ultimately purged, but there's no argument that this electoral
racial pogrom ordered by Jeb Bush's operatives gave the White House to his
older brother. HAVA not only blesses such purges, it requires all fifty
states to implement a similar search-and-destroy mission against vulnerable
voters. Specifically, every state must, by the 2004 election, imitate
Florida's system of computerizing voter files. The law then empowers fifty
secretaries of state--fifty Katherine Harrise
s--to purge these lists of "suspect" voters.

The purge is back, big time. Following the disclosure in December 2000 of
the black voter purge in Britain's Observer newspaper, NAACP lawyers sued
the state. The civil rights group won a written promise from Governor Jeb
and from Harris's successor to return wrongly scrubbed citizens to the voter
rolls. According to records given to the courts by ChoicePoint, the company
that generated the computerized lists, the number of Floridians who were
questionably tagged totals 91,000. Willie Steen is one of them. Recently, I
caught up with Steen outside his office at a Tampa hospital. Steen's case
was easy. You can't work in a hospital if you have a criminal record. (My
copy of Harris's hit list includes an ex-con named O'Steen, close enough to
cost Willie Steen his vote.) The NAACP held up Steen's case to the court as
a prime example of the voter purge evil.

The state admitted Steen's innocence. But a year after the NAACP won his
case, Steen still couldn't register. Why was he still under suspicion? What
do we know about this "potential felon," as Jeb called him? Steen, unlike
our President, honorably served four years in the US military. There is,
admittedly, a suspect mark on his record: Steen remains an African-American.

If you're black, voting in America is a game of chance. First, there's the
chance your registration card will simply be thrown out. Millions of
minority citizens registered to vote using what are called motor-voter
forms. And Republicans know it. You would not be surprised to learn that the
Commission on Civil Rights found widespread failures to add these voters to
the registers. My sources report piles of dust-covered applications stacked
up in election offices.

Second, once registered, there's the chance you'll be named a felon. In
Florida, besides those fake felons on Harris's scrub sheets, some 600,000
residents are legally barred from voting because they have a criminal record
in the state. That's one state. In the entire nation 1.4 million black men
with sentences served can't vote, 13 percent of the nation's black male
population.

At step three, the real gambling begins. The Voting Rights Act of 1965
guaranteed African-Americans the right to vote--but it did not guarantee the
right to have their ballots counted. And in one in seven cases, they aren't.

Take Gadsden County. Of Florida's sixty-seven counties, Gadsden has the
highest proportion of black residents: 58 percent. It also has the highest
"spoilage" rate, that is, ballots tossed out on technicalities: one in eight
votes cast but not counted. Next door to Gadsden is white-majority Leon
County, where virtually every vote is counted (a spoilage rate of one in
500).

How do votes spoil? Apparently, any old odd mark on a ballot will do it.
In Gadsden, some voters wrote in Al Gore instead of checking his name. Their
votes did not count.

Harvard law professor Christopher Edley Jr., a member of the Commission on
Civil Rights, didn't like the smell of all those spoiled ballots. He dug
into the pile of tossed ballots and, deep in the commission's official
findings, reported this: 14.4 percent of black votes--one in seven--were
"invalidated," i.e., never counted. By contrast, only 1.6 percent of
nonblack voters' ballots were spoiled.

Florida's electorate is 11 percent African-American. Florida refused to
count 179,855 spoiled ballots. A little junior high school algebra applied
to commission numbers indicates that 54 percent, or 97,000, of the votes
"spoiled" were cast by black folk, of whom more than 90 percent chose Gore.
The nonblack vote divided about evenly between Gore and Bush. Therefore, had
Harris allowed the counting of these ballots, Al Gore would have racked up a
plurality of about 87,000 votes in Florida--162 times Bush's official margin
of victory.

That's Florida. Now let's talk about America. In the 2000 election, 1.9
million votes cast were never counted. Spoiled for technical reasons, like
writing in Gore's name, machine malfunctions and so on. The reasons for
ballot rejection vary, but there's a suspicious shading to the ballots
tossed into the dumpster. Edley's team of Harvard experts discovered that
just as in Florida, the number of ballots spoiled was--county by county,
precinct by precinct--in direct proportion to the local black voting
population.

Florida's racial profile mirrors the nation's--both in the percentage of
voters who are black and the racial profile of the voters whose ballots
don't count. "In 2000, a black voter in Florida was ten times as likely to
have their vote spoiled--not counted--as a white voter," explains political
scientist Philip Klinkner, co-author of Edley's Harvard report. "National
figures indicate that Florida is, surprisingly, typical. Given the
proportion of nonwhite to white voters in America, then, it appears that
about half of all ballots spoiled in the USA, as many as 1 million votes,
were cast by nonwhite voters."

So there you have it. In the last presidential election, approximately 1
million black and other minorities voted, and their ballots were thrown
away. And they will be tossed again in November 2004, efficiently, by
computer--because HAVA and other bogus reform measures, stressing reform
through complex computerization, do not address, and in fact worsen, the
racial bias of the uncounted vote.

One million votes will disappear in a puff of very black smoke. And when
the smoke clears, the Bush clan will be warming their political careers in
the light of the ballot bonfire. HAVA nice day.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What's the difference between Clinton and Bush? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

about 80 points on the IQ scale...
 

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When it comes right down to it, Somalia, Kosovo, and Bosnia were all under the Clinton watch, without a 911 to rationalize his policies - like it or not, 911 did happen and Bush is answering back with a war against the culture and governments that supported the 911 terrorists. You don't have to agree with his strategy, but there it is - in response to an attack IN the United States, against 3000 innocent civilians.

The economy started for the dumpers during the Clinton administration and finished getting there in the first year of the Bush White house - so nothing that Bush did (or didn't do) could so quickly impact the direction of the economy -

I see everyone rationalizing their likes or dislikes along party lines - but no one wants to try looking at this from a strictly objective point of view - what a shame that politically motivated diatribes have to overshadow the truth.

Re - Florida - what about all of the absentee ballots that were also discounted - tens of thousands of the military absentee votes (mostly blacks and hispanics) were thrown out for "irregularities" by the Dems - geez - who would the military vote for?
And I never hear about the final results of the recount - which the Dems insisted on -and Bush finally won!

Gimmee a break!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bblight:
When it comes right down to it, Somalia, Kosovo, and Bosnia were all under the Clinton watch, without a 911 to rationalize his policies - like it or not, 911 did happen and Bush is answering back with a war against the culture and governments that supported the 911 terrorists. You don't have to agree with his strategy, but there it is - in response to an attack IN the United States, against 3000 innocent civilians.
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"You don't have to agree with the strategy" - well, there it is. Isn't that objective and not politically motivated? Plenty of non-political intelligent people think the Iraq war quite simply a major strategic blunder in that it wasn't targeted at the terrorists who attacked us, it distracted us from going after the terrorists who attacked us and provided Al Qaeda a fantastic recruiting tool on a silver platter. Bin Laden had been screaming for years that the US woudl find a pretext to invade, occupy and brutalize an oil-rich Muslim nation and try to make them like us (the infidels)? Soooooo....what do the neoconchickenhwaks in their infinite wisdom decide to do??? How about invade, occupy and brutalize an oil-rich Muslim nation that has no known ties to 9/11 and who is now widely believed didn't have WMD.

Yeah, nice move George. Thanks alot. Oh yeah, and where's Waldo?
 

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"What's the difference between Clinton and Bush?"

1) 2/3 of Al Quada is destoyed.

2) Osama Bin Laden is in hiding rather than living comfortably in Afghanistan

3) Saddam Hussein is no longer financially supporting terror around the world.

4) Saddam Hussein can no longer pursue weapons of mass destruction, and either use them himself or distribute them to others who will.

5) An Arab country has a good chance of becoming the first democracy, with basic human rights for all its citizens, rather than continue looking the other way while millions are butchered, raped, and tortured.

6) International scumbags are no longer being bribed to the tune of $10 billion which was supposed to be used for humanitarian purposes.

7) I am keeping a bigger percentage of the money I make.

8) The economy is growing based on solid fundamentals, rather than unjustified hype and optimism regarding the internet which will soon burst.

Yep, its all bad.
 

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Bubba was Commander-In Chief for 8 years and Junior be CIC for 4 years. Clinton opposed the war in Nam and Junior hid out in a NG unit. I made a ton of $$$ under Bubba and have been giving it back under Junior. I do get a big tax break but the DJIA is down another 127 today. I despise everything that Junior stands for but came to respect Clinton over the years. Clinton's lies didn't hurt anyone, Junior's lies have hurt many!

Semper Fi,

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Clinton was a man who had faults..

Bush is a girl that would squeal if you slapped him.

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Clinton:

IMO 2nd only to Lincoln in terms of being the worst President in the annals of the United States. An all-around despicable excuse for a human being. His lack of self-control was common knowledge. It's true just about everyone's net worth increased during his tenure in which you could buy just about anything and it would increase in value.

Bush:

Not a good guy but definitely not the worst. While I didn't need the smoking gun as others did, he seemed to employ innuendo to further his agenda. That's not exactly in the same class as perjury but I understand why people feel betrayed. It's interesting to note that people claim to be losing their a$$ in the stock market. While I lost almost 6% today I am still up over 8% on the year with dividend payments still trickling in. If your getting drilled my best advice is to sell and keep it in a money market until you feel comfortable. My problem is narrowing what stocks to buy as a few are down double digits %-wise today. His choices for his cabinet are one-dimensional which is nerve-racking.

Pretty much you can find good and bad in both but I don't like or respect either of them or Kerry for that matter. I don't think I've respected any of the major party candidates in the last few years.

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