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RPM said:
wantitall,

if he sticks to good money management, there is no reason he cant win. ive seen people start with $50 and take it over a couple dimes.

They surely never took $50 and turned it into a couple dimes following any type of logical money management, unless it took them a 4-5 years to do it.

That is the irony of that statement. Turning 50 into 2000, and following "good" money managment just do not belong in the same sentance. No offence But to turn 50 into that kind of money you need luck and defiantely cannot follow anything resembing money management. More thanlikely you have to double up a couple times to even come close to that. And I have never heard where risking 100% of your bankroll is sound money management, let alone trying to double up a couple times.
 
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its not hard at all. Hit a $50 bet... now you have $100. Hit a 4 teamer and you have a dime. No but seriously, you need to get lucky couple times to be remotly close achieving 2 dimes.
 
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wantitall4moi said:
They surely never took $50 and turned it into a couple dimes following any type of logical money management, unless it took them a 4-5 years to do it.

That is the irony of that statement. Turning 50 into 2000, and following "good" money managment just do not belong in the same sentance. No offence But to turn 50 into that kind of money you need luck and defiantely cannot follow anything resembing money management. More thanlikely you have to double up a couple times to even come close to that. And I have never heard where risking 100% of your bankroll is sound money management, let alone trying to double up a couple times.

I disagree. This can easily be done by hitting a high percentage (55%-60%) and using the kelly criterion. You do have to have a very high risk tolerence to utilize the kelly criterion. For instance if you estimate the expected winning percentage of a pick to be 57% the kelly criterion would call for a bet of 9.7% of your bankroll. This can turn into a very high amount if you consider your net worth or even your liquid net worth your bankroll.

To start with you should work on picking winners at a consistent rate. Once you pick winners at a consistent rate then worry about maximizing each bet to make your bankroll grow. For example, I will start by betting a new formula at about .01% of bankroll, just to get real plays on record. If the results are good I then throw it into a modified kelly criterion.
 
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Journeyman had a story one time where he took 20something bucks and turned it into like 10000 in a short period of time. I can be done.
 
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If Kelly worked everyone wouold do it, or some form of it. It doesn't work, and isn't even close enough to even be tweaked to work. But for some I guess it will always be some secret that they are the ones that truly make it work.


Starting out with 125 is only going to do a couple things. If he somehow does roll it over into some substantial amount, more than likely he will continue to bet, and eventually lose. Then inevitabely he will roll a few more bucksa into it, and then a few more, and a few more, always looking to get to where he got when he "didn't know anything".

If he takes the $125 and loses it all at once and never bets again, that would be the best solution. Plain and simple. Or does actually have the ability to quit if by some miracle he does win a bet or two, then all the better for him.

How many guys have we seen come in here with the same question, and the same plan? I tell them all the same thing. Not sure if any listen, you don't ever hear from them again for the most part. Unless it is to say how far they have fallen and are so deep in debt they need help from other degenerates on here and more advice on what to do.

I simply go past all that and tell them what will more than likely happen. they will lose, and I will take any bet at any limit than any guy who says they are "only using XXX amount of money", uses 2-100 times that amount before he is done.

It has nothing to do with ability, or even money management. It has to do with mentaility, and anyone only starting out with a minimal amount doesn't have the mentaility to do it to make money at it consistantly. (No offense) But if you do not have the mentality, you will lose.

There are a lot of guys on this site that can pick winners, a lot of impressive ficticious bankrolls or impressive positive amounts, the relationship between that ficticious amount and reality is surely not even close. It isn't that they are lying or that they can't win. It is just that they do not always follow exactly what they post or keep track of. That is the human condition.

People do not get rich gambling, if they did they would not quit gambling to do other things. There isn't a person on any list of "rich people" that is a gambler, not one. So with something that people think is so easy, and so many peiople show that they can profit, it would stand to reason that at least 1-2 guys with some cash could make enough to crack the top rich guys list, or even the top 500. But I would say that the richest gambler (counting monwey ONLY made from actual bets) would crack any list no matter how long.
 
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wantitall is right,

better to SAVE UP, DO NOT BET, READ READ READ this forum

later down the road (when you have the money)

Deposit 1000$ into 5 seperate accounts.....

risking 5K

& start betting 50$ a game......

otherwise......

it is simply GAMBLING.......

otherwise there is no smart way to do it....

remember, his 120$ is all at one account, so already he cannot shop the best line....
 
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wantitall4moi said:
There are a lot of guys on this site that can pick winners, a lot of impressive ficticious bankrolls or impressive positive amounts, the relationship between that ficticious amount and reality is surely not even close. It isn't that they are lying or that they can't win. It is just that they do not always follow exactly what they post or keep track of. That is the human condition.

What the Fvck qualifies you as an authoritarian on "the human condition" ?

-K1

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Kelly does work. The problem is most people overestimate their expected winning percentage .

It isn't easy to accurately estimate your expected winning percentage, but if you can the Kelly Criterion is by far the most profitable money management tool out there.

The first step as always is picking winners.
 

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Well that's clearly a good middle and that is what i'd have advised anybody to do.



THE SHRINK said:
zmac,

Welcome to TheRx!!!

While there have been a number of funny and good responses, the best one by far is that from Lakersfan4life...

I have seen many sharp handicappers go down in flames due to poor money management...

Never go more than 5% of your bankroll even if the entire world tells you the game is a lock...

A perfect example happened to me last week when I had plus 5 on the Wizzards before it was announced that Shaq wouldn't play.

The Game closes at 1, while I am getting 5!!!

I am a HUGE FAVORITE to win my bet (above 63% to 37 % for ME)...

Wizzards lose by 7...

I rest my case...

THE SHRINK
 
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Baker said:
Kelly does work. The problem is most people overestimate their expected winning percentage .

It isn't easy to accurately estimate your expected winning percentage, but if you can the Kelly Criterion is by far the most profitable money management tool out there.

The first step as always is picking winners.

You are right about the estimate of winning percentage. Further a lot of guys make mistakes of how much edge they have on any given game. Accuracy is so important because if you overbet even slightly, your expected results long-term go down significantly. For this reason most bettors I know often default to "half Kelly" if they use the method at all. For sanity and accuracy I always just suggest using a sane percentage of bankroll, no more than 2% if the bankroll is significant and 5% if you can easily replenish it. Resize the bets only occasionally, based on expected win, not actual results, and then slowly go upwards. Will take longer to make a big score than Kelly, but avoids the errors people make aggressively following Kelly as well.
 
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Baker where can i read about this Kelly Criterion money-management tool?
 

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choptalk said:
If you want to make money in the NBA, fade me. Im am 100% convencied that im the worst NBA capper that has ever walked on this planet. 30% is a good year for me. :lolBIG:

No I am the worst NBA capper.

However I am the second best beaver ball capper right behind the general.

So If I ever post an NBA play make sure to go the full opposite. It will lose guaranteed. :lolBIG:
 
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Put that 120 on the Bucs +4½ over Minny and jerk off in the meantime


You guys are all trying to lure him in. I bet if I posted I was putting up 300 bucks and I tried to put it in some innocent way that I wanted to bet hoops and bases with a low fixed bet amount, you would'nt be serious with me
 
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Dante said:
you need to save that wherever you can being a small bettor

mmmmm.... I thought it was the other way around, the more you bet, the more juice.
 
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SportsCapper Island said:
mmmmm.... I thought it was the other way around, the more you bet, the more juice.
well it is Sportsisland...as far as amount but even as a small time bettor you will save in the long run when your at -107 juice vs straight -110 IMO every little bit counts for this poster
 

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