What is "bad" move by Israel .. good for the rest of the world

[docmercer--banned]

On July 9, 2004, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israel's security barrier was a violation of international humanitarian law and human rights law. Eleven days later, the United Nations General Assembly voted 150-6 to condemn Israel and demand removal of the barrier. All twenty-five members of the European Union supported the motionEU countries are not the only ones to display hypocrisy.

Several states voting to condemn Israel themselves have built barriers on disputed land, often as a response to terrorism. Israel's decisions rest on firm precedent. India, for example, has built a barrier along its line-of-control with Pakistan. Following a number of violent confrontations with Yemeni soldiers and tribesmen, the Saudi Arabian government unilaterally began constructing a barrier on land disputed by its southern neighbor. Morocco has built a barrier against Algerian infiltration in the disputed territory of Western Sahara. Ironically, while both British foreign minister Jack Straw and Turkish foreign minister Abdullah Gül condemned Israel's security fence, both their countries have built their own barriers to combat terrorism. In Cyprus, it is the U.N. itself that, at significant hardship to the local populace, sponsored a security fence reinforcing the island's de facto partition.
Read this article to show ya how laughable this "ruling" truely is: http://www.meforum.org/article/652

 

[WildBill]

If they built it along the internationally recognized border no one would protest. Building to consolidate land gained through an invasion is what is being protested. This would be like the US going out and building a wall 25 miles south of the current border with Mexico to include all border towns, on the premise that they needed to stop "dangerous" illegal aliens. After stealing Mexican land they would further add to the insult by declaring the residents of those towns not citizens so not worthy of protection or funding. If the residents of the newly seized towns went into what was left of Mexico, they might not be allowed back into their hometowns if the US suspected they really wanted to go further north. In the meantime Americans were encouraged to move into the new lands and build homes on bargain land with the US Army around to protect them.

It sounds absolutely ridiculous, but in essence it isn't that much different in legal terms than if the US were to do exactly that.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Wildbill:

what kills me is Israel can seem to do no right ...

I remember when they took out a Hamas leader .. the USA gives em heat and its the same day we took out a 48 pers on wedding party in Afghanistan during a bombing run

Read about the 92 Election in Israel and how the Bush administration played a heavy hand in effecting that outcome so they could get US Resolution 242 moving forward ...

 

[JinnRikki]

If they built it along the internationally recognized border no one would protest. Building to consolidate land gained through an invasion is what is being protested. This would be like the US going out and building a wall 25 miles south of the current border with Mexico to include all border towns, on the premise that they needed to stop "dangerous" illegal aliens. After stealing Mexican land they would further add to the insult by declaring the residents of those towns not citizens so not worthy of protection or funding. If the residents of the newly seized towns went into what was left of Mexico, they might not be allowed back into their hometowns if the US suspected they really wanted to go further north. In the meantime Americans were encouraged to move into the new lands and build homes on bargain land with the US Army around to protect them.

It sounds absolutely ridiculous, but in essence it isn't that much different in legal terms than if the US were to do exactly that.

Well, had Mexico attacked the U.S. as the arabs did Isreal would you not consider land aquired during the conflict yours?

 

[docmercer--banned]

Jinn ... good pt

Israel's boundaries were determined by the United Nations when it adopted the partition resolution in 1947. In a series of defensive wars, Israel captured additional territory. On numerous occasions, Israel has withdrawn from these areas. As part of the 1974 disengagement agreement, Israel returned territories captured in the 1967 and 1973 wars to Syria. Under the terms of the 1979, Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty, Israel withdrew from the Sinai peninsula for the third time. It had already withdrawn from large parts of the desert area it captured in its War of Independence. After capturing the entire Sinai in the 1956 Suez conflict, Israel relinquished the peninsula to Egypt a year later. In September 1983, Israel withdrew from large areas of Lebanon to positions south of the Awali River. In 1985, it completed its withdrawal from Lebanon, except for a narrow security zone just north of the Israeli border. That too was abandoned, unilaterally, in 2000. After signing peace agreements with the Palestinians and a treaty with Jordan, Israel agreed to withdraw from most of the territory in the West Bank captured from Jordan in 1967. A small area was returned to Jordan and the rest was ceded to the Palestinian Authority. The agreement with the Palestinians also involved Israel's withdrawal, in 1994, from most of the Gaza Strip, which had been captured from Egypt in 1973.

 

[Marco]

Any chance of finding an alternative energy source and putting up a wall around the entire middle east so they can enjoy thier peaceful region to the fullest by themselves?

Maybe the Israelis are onto something here.....

 

[BaseballGuy]

The U.N is meaningless.

Israel should just build a huge plexiglass barrier around their land and then drop a nuke on their neighbors.

 

[Marco]

They could call it:

The Kosher Dome.arty:

 

[BaseballGuy]

They could call it:

The Kosher Dome.arty:

LOL

 

[WildBill]

Amazing how some think just bombing places to oblivion will create something useful. Get real because your theory isn't all that far from those Bin Laden likes to spew. His followers think if you just blow up the Christian nations then good things will follow. Do we really want to lower ourselves to his level?

As for the Mexico analogy, I have heard plenty of people here and in the public talking about how Mexicans are "attacking" by "stealing" our resources. Go ask Mr. Tancredo about this. Sure they weren't wanton attacks that killed, but some of these far right-wingers sure don't seem to distinguish these facts. Fact remains if Israel built a wall in its own agreed upon land, not land it took in invasions in the name of "security", then most of the world would accept it much as most of the world accepted the Berlin Wall. Using it to legitimize conquered lands and protect people that went out and settled land that was never declared theirs except in religious writings is ridiculous policy. What if some whacko got 5 million people to follow him and came up with something he called religious documents that declared his followers were entitled to New York City? Another analogy that might go a bit far, but in essence that is what is being decided here.

 

[jeffry22]

you can argue about whats right or wrong in israel but the fact remains that all the land in that area was given to the jews by God. Allowing the palestinians to live there would be considered a form of regifting by God and could possibly incur his wrath.

 

[A1exxx]

Jeffry, that sounds really fundamentalist, ignorant and idiotic.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Wildbill:

not land it took in invasions in the name of "security" ...

Israel has fought 3 major wars since 1948 ... all were fought
in the name of "security" ... know as SURVIVAL as a country

Go read my earlier post ... Israel has bent over backwards
time and time again ... look at Barak's proposal in 2000 ..
he willing to give up just about everything: NOT GOOD
ENOUGH for the Palestinians

Bush needs to back off shoving this proposal of Israel
giving up land for the sake of this country ...

 

[bblight]

What Jeffrey says might have a point to it.

In '48, the Jews had eveything going against them, but somehow they were able to overcome insurmountable odds and create their small nation. Then in '67 and again in '73, they were attacked with armies and arms that vastly outnumbered them, yet they won decisive victories both times and were able to capture and hold "buffer" lands.

Excepting the United States, most of the world hates Isreal and would see an end to it - yet it still pesisits.

Now, a religious person could see the hand of God in all of this - and who could argue the possibility that he is right.

 

[A1exxx]

how arrogant it is to suppose that God is on Israel or anybody's side for that matter....it is no different than a Palestinian 'terrorist' saying that Allah is in his side. My point is that to believe that God takes side is simply ridiculous.

Instead of arguing that divine intervention is the cause of Israel's survival, how about arguing that they just have a more advanced, better motivated and better funded army, with help from the US, (although smaller sized) than its neighbours.

 

[docmercer--banned]

The Muslims follow the teachings of the Koran ...
over 120 passages about killing the "Infidels" ... that includes you and me by the way

Many of the maps of the Mideast in the Arab world do not include Israel on the map ... the PLO charter pushes the complete destruction of Israel

All I know is there is an amazing pattern that occurs when a US President tries to get involved with forcing Israel to give up land that was given to them in the Abrahamic Covenant:
November 1, 1991: October 30, the Middle East peace plan process began in Madrid. On October 31, a ferocious storm, deemed "The Perfect Storm," grew over 100 miles wide. Strangely, this rare storm moved from a eastward to westward position (the weather pattern for the U.S. is westward to eastward) and ran down the East Coast, doing millions of dollars of damage, even damaging President Bush’s home in Maine.

August 23, 1992: Peace conference continues in Washington, D.C. – for the first time meeting on American soil. On August 24, Hurricane Andrew, the worst natural disaster to hit the U.S., smashed into Florida, causing over $30 billion in damages. Winds were recorded at 175 mph but may have been as high as 200. The National Hurricane Center described it as a 25-30 mile wide tornado. Bush’s ratings slipped in the polls in less than one year following the 1991 victory over Iraq during Desert Storm.

September 1, 1993: Oslo peace agreement meetings occur in Europe. Hurricane Emily meandered across the Atlantic for five days before hitting North Carolina on the very day of the peace accord agreement. This was the third hurricane to hit the U.S. on the very day of a key event of the peace process.

January 1994: On January 16, Clinton met with Syria’s President Assad in Geneva to discuss peace between Israel and that country. This peace agreement would call for Israel to give up the Golan Heights to Syria. Less than 24 hours later, a 6.9 earthquake rocked southern California. This earthquake was 25 miles from Los Angeles and was the second most destructive national disaster to hit the U.S., second to Hurricane Andrew.

September 1998: September 24, Clinton was meeting with Arafat and Netanyahu to discuss the stalled peace plan in which Israel was to give away 13 percent more of its land. On the same day, Hurricane George plowed through the Gulf Coast. The storm lingered over the East Coast and dissipated when Arafat left America.

November 1998: Arafat came to Washington, D.C., to meet with Clinton, who promised Arafat $3 billion in aid and 42 other nations. The stock market, which was experiencing an all-time high, crashed 216 points that day. Both the meeting and the stock market crash made headline news. On December 1, the European stock markets crashed for the third worst crash in European history.

May 1999: May 4 (Israel time), Arafat announced the capital of Palestine was Jerusalem, and on May 3 the most powerful tornado storms to ever hit the U.S. landed in Oklahoma and Kansas. One tornado was an F-6 (there has never been an F-6 before), with winds measured at 316 mph.

September 1999: Hurricane Floyd slammed North Carolina during meetings with Israel and Palestine to divide the land.

September 11, 2001: Just prior to the terrorist attacks on September 11, the U.S. was in the process of recognizing a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as the capital

 

[A1exxx]

Looks like someone is reading the National Enquirer.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Not at all ...

comes from many reliable sources that follow Middle East events

 

[Marco]

It would appear that the Muslim god controls the weather and Jesus just sticks to whispering in Dubya's ear....

 

[Bitterlittleman]

That's pretty damn funny Marco and interesting interpretation. lol