Week 11: Vikings/Bucs Over Under thoughts

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Vikings @ Bucs

Believe it or not, this was one of the games that jumped out at me. The Vikings pretty much shut down the packers offense, but gave up a defensive touchdown, and a special teams touchdown... Points are points, but those are RARE points that you shouldn't count on. Think of them as a bonus last week.

Their last totals were 28-27, 21-28, 41-48, before that 12-10 game vs the Lions.

Tampa was actually in their 30-27 come back before 9-13, 20-10, 27-3, 13-16 games. I expect this game to be more along those lines.


Both defenses are stingy, and neither offense scares me. Peterson running the ball eats clock, and short west coast offense passes from Tampa also eat the clock.

The game will also be on grass ( where Tampa gives up 10.8 per game) and 3.4 per run.


If this game was played 100 times, the average score is probably something like 17-14. Maybe a team scores 20-21, but I don't think both would, that would be a less likely scenerio. I think the fact that you do have two defensive teams together makes the way they approach the game even more conservative. If a team has 3rd and 5 at the 30 yardline, they will just run a draw and play for that FG rather than trying to pick up that first down ( and score a TD). When coaches know points are at a premium, they are more likely to play conservative and take 3 pointers instead of really fighting hard for 7 poinit touchdowns.


The Pros
- Tampa has a top 5 defense ( probably top 3?)
- Minnesota has a very strong defense top 10 at the least
- Tampa's offense is ok, nothing scary
- Minny's offense can run very well ( clock eater), but is weak passing
- The game is on a grass field ( slow surface)
- 2 defensive opponents playing together usually creates a conservative game plan synergy. Coaches are more than happy to put 3's on the score board.

The Cons
- The game is in Florida, so the weather should be decent
- Both teams have a chance at scoring a defensive touchdown
- Never underestimate Adrian Peterson


Is there anybody that likes the Over?
 

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over / under killed me last week... told myself i shouldn't play the ou...
So u liking the under?
 

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If I think the average, or typical score in this game is about 17-14, that means we are over 7 points away from hitting that over.

Let's say the game is 19-14, 19-17, 20-16, 20-17, or 21-16, 21-17 which are all also very likely you still win.

20-16 for example
20 = 7+7+3+3
16 = 7+3+3+3

Do you think either team will score more than once per quarter? Do you think they will be scoring TD's or FG's? Do you think the game will be close? A defensive slug fest? Tampa starting out slow after a bye week?
 

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the under looks appealing to me at first glance...two old ass QBs, two good run defenses (which is what both teams rely on - running the ball). garcia can win games but he can't put many points on the board.
 

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these defenses will score.......... these days its not just about having good d to prevent td's , but its about having good d- to force turnovers and defensive scores.........
i think the best under of the week is mia/oak....... oak will score less than 10 and mia wont score more than 30........ gl
 

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the under looks appealing to me at first glance...two old ass QBs, two good run defenses (which is what both teams rely on - running the ball). garcia can win games but he can't put many points on the board.


Garcia put up 30 points two weeks ago in KC. Granted KC sucks, but it isn't because of their defense ( and front 4) and it was IN KC which is more difficult.
 

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these defenses will score.......... these days its not just about having good d to prevent td's , but its about having good d- to force turnovers and defensive scores.........
i think the best under of the week is mia/oak....... oak will score less than 10 and mia wont score more than 30........ gl


See, that is a worry of mine. Rhonde Barber pick 6, Gaines Adams sack/fumble pick up for a TD, EJ Henderson knocking the snot out of Garcia for a fumble recovery TD. How bad is it that you worry about two strong defenses making you go over?

You might be on to something with Oakland/Miami. Oakland has actually a pretty good defense, but their offense is so putrid words can't describe it.

Ken Dorsey's 2002 Miami Hurricanes with Willis Mcghee, Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, Naj Davenport, Andre Johnson, Shockey etc. had more talent and were better than the 2008 Faiders.

If your life as a sports fan ever sucks, it could always be worse... you could be a raiders fan and have Al Davis as your owner.
 

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Garcia put up 30 points two weeks ago in KC. Granted KC sucks, but it isn't because of their defense ( and front 4) and it was IN KC which is more difficult.

how often is garcia going to put up 30 points though. minnesota D-line = 100x better than KC D-line
 

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how often is garcia going to put up 30 points though. minnesota D-line = 100x better than KC D-line


Minnesota's D-Line is still better than KC's, but that is actually one of the few parts of KC's team that shows promise.


- Glenn Dorsey is a freaking beast in the middle. You aren't going to push him around. He is a guy you build around.
- Tamba Hali is a very strong pass rusher on the outside. These guys might be as good as the Williams/Jared Allen, but they have youth.
 
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The perception from the outset of the season was that minny had a strong D. I think not. I'm pretty sure they're a smidge below avg vs the run and a smidge above avg vs the air attack. The net is they allow more pts per game hitherto than 17 teams in the league.

Having said that, I feel like tbay at home, given gruden's 2nd half lead protection program, is a good under play.

There is no way I go under with gus "int" frerotte and fumble-itis peterson and their very pedestrian D... I like tb to win + cover

Good luck all.
 

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The perception from the outset of the season was that minny had a strong D. I think not. I'm pretty sure they're a smidge below avg vs the run and a smidge above avg vs the air attack. The net is they allow more pts per game hitherto than 17 teams in the league.

Having said that, I feel like tbay at home, given gruden's 2nd half lead protection program, is a good under play.

There is no way I go under with gus "int" frerotte and fumble-itis peterson and their very pedestrian D... I like tb to win + cover

Good luck all.

Actually, you've got the Vikings' defense backwards. They're 19th against the pass, which is below average by definition, and 3rd against the run, which is obviously above average.

But, as you also mention, the Vikings have a habit of giving up TDs when on offense or special teams, which would obviously lead to more games going over the total. I wouldn't touch the total in this game for that reason. Just a few weeks ago the Vikings were involved in a game that featured 89 points against Chicago, so they're perfectly capable of scoring 'em and giving 'em up.
 

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