We should appease the terrorist like Spain so they don't attack us...

[PatPatriot]

Five explosions reported in Spain

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Jeremy Lennard and agencies
Monday December 6, 2004

[/font][font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Five explosions were reported in different Spanish cities today after warnings from the Basque separatist group Eta that it had planted seven devices.[/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]A caller claiming to speak on behalf of Eta had earlier warned the Basque newspaper Gara that explosive devices timed to explode at 1.30 pm (1230 GMT) had been planted in the cities of Avila, Valladolid, Leon, Santillana del Mar, Málaga, Ciudad Real and Alacant. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Five small explosive devices were detonated in Madrid on Friday after a similar call to Gara. Damage was minor and two police officers were lightly injured. [/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Another device was defused on Saturday in the southern city of Almeria.[/font]

[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Today is a public holiday in Spain to celebrate the 1978 constitution and the return to democracy after the four-decade dictatorship of General Francisco Franco. Police had warned of a possible Eta attack. [/font][font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The group has killed nearly 850 people since 1968 in a bombing and shooting campaign for an independent Basque state straddling the Pyrenees mountains in northern Spain and south-western France.[/font]

 

[GAMEFACE]

Yep, appeasement works fine for the terrorist.

 

[eek.]

or you could shoot and bomb them, then they'd stop attacking you. :movingeye

 

[GAMEFACE]

eek,

not a bad idea, keep em coming.

 

[PatPatriot]

or you could shoot and bomb them, then they'd stop attacking you.

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eek thats a great idea,I'm glad to see you catching on.No terror attacks since 9/11.since we have had someone to enforce this policy.

 

[xpanda]

Did you even know:

"Most Basques are practicing Roman Catholics. The region has been a source of missionaries like Francis Xavier and Michel Garicoïts. Also, Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Society of Jesus, was a Basque. A sprout of Protestantism in the continental Basque Country produced the first translation of the new Testament into Basque by Joannes Leyçarraga. After the king of Navarre converted to Catholicism to be king of France, Protestantism almost disappeared. Bayonne held a Jewish community mainly from Sephardic refugees from Spain."

Not even f'n Islamic. They're Christians.

And, in case you're interested in their history:

Basques fought on both sides in the Spanish Civil War, with Basque nationalists and leftists from Biscay and Guipúzcoa siding with the Second Spanish Republic, and the Navarrese Carlists siding with General Francisco Franco's insurgent forces (who were known in the rest of Spain as "Nacionales" or "Nationalists", a very misleading phrase in Basque terms). Today, some Basque nationalists claim that the Spanish Civil War was a war of Spain against the Basques, despite there having been Basques on both sides. There is no question, though, that one of the greatest atrocities of this war was the bombing of Guernica, the traditional Biscayne capital, by German planes. Much of the city was destroyed and a great deal of Basque history was erased.

In 1937 the troops of the Autonomous Basque Government surrendered in Santoña to the Italian allies of General Franco, beginning one of the hardest periods of Basque history in Spain. After the war, Franco began a dedicated effort to turn Spain into a uniform nation state. Considering Biscay and Guipúzcoa as "traitor provinces", he abolished the remains of their autonomy, but Navarre and Alava maintained small local police forces and some tax self-government. Franco's regime introduced severe laws against all Spanish minorities, not least the Basques, in an effort to suppress their cultures and languages.

The backlash to these actions created a violent Basque separatist movement that as of 2000 has resulted in the deaths of about 800 people over the past 30 years. The terrorist group responsible for most of the violence is known as Euskadi Ta Askatasuna or ETA. The end of the Franco regime saw an end to the suppression and a creation of an autonomous Basque region in Spain. Between 1979 and 1983, the Basque Country and surrounding areas were granted limited autonomy by the Spanish government. This limited autonomy includes an elected parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque

 

[PatPatriot]

Terrorism is terrorism no matter what the religion is. The point of the post was to point out that once you give in to it there is more to follow.

The minute give in or negotiate to ANY terror group you legitimise it as a negotiating tool or a legitimate means to an end.

Why is it I never ever hear the left howiling,whining and crying to the terror outfits about petitioning,boycotting,debating,or process when it comes to their activity?

 

[charleslanger]

X: what's your point? They also want independence in northern France...The Catalans, Valencians & Galicians also want independence-- periodically things flare up, though not nearly to the degree of the Vascos.... Should all those regions break up into autonomous countries? Are they even in the majority among their paisans?

Or are they more like the Puerto Ricans: independence referendums always fail, yet there's a guerrilla movement........

Who should get independence is the Kurds, though they have one splinter group that is totally evil & into organized crime all over Europe.

Should Chechnya & about 10 other regions seeking independence in the former USSR get it?

 

[xpanda]

My point, and thank you for asking, is that Patriot's thread title referring to 'appeasement' in Spain is absolutely positively related to the 3/11 attacks and the subsequent overthrow of Aznar's government and withdrawal of troops from Iraq. The Spanish government has not 'appeased' ETA. Until I pointed out his error, I'd bet my bankroll Pat thought the Basques were another Islamic group and all of this is somehow related to the big, bad War on Terror.

However, I don't know enough about the origins of ETA or the Basques but it seems that Franco's fascist nationalism eradicated much of their history and culture in the interests of creating a uniform state. This doesn't justify violence in my mind, but it does justify serious anger and resentment. You forget I'm Canadian and we've been dealing with Quebec on this level since the 70s when the FLQ when ballistic. They've not separated (yet), but if they wanted to, we would not stop them. Civilised people don't shove a culture down others' throats.

edited to add: *ahem* except when us jãckass whites came over from Europe. Even then, Canada is slowly giving our native population full self-rule. But yes, we were true jãckasses at one time, certainly.

 

[PatPatriot]

I'd bet my bankroll Pat thought the Basques were another Islamic group and all of this is somehow related to the big, bad War on Terror.

It would have been a push,and I really don't give a fxck who they "represent" their all murderous criminals .YOU DON"T GET HOMICIDAL MANIACS TO PLAY NICE BY KISSING THEIR ASS.You get them to play nice by destroying them...game over and thanks for playin.
Which, thanks for helping me with my point. Once you appease one set of murderers you have to appease them all, they'll be a new group next week blowing things up in Spain....Make sure you keep informed who they "represent" like it fxckin matters...Jesus!

If by the way the war on terror seems a bit trivial to you its because of action not inaction has made it that way.
I don't think the relatives of 3000 innocent civillians that were intentionally burnt, crushed, mangled, ripped apart think that terroism is trivial.

 

[eek.]

eek thats a great idea,I'm glad to see you catching on.No terror attacks since 9/11.since we have had someone to enforce this policy.

:>Grin> :>Grin>

I gotta admit you're funny sometimes.

The WTC bombing was 1993
9/11 was 2002....9 years later.

you getting any clues yet...?

Meanwhile you guys are up to your chins thrashing about in a pile of poo in Iraq...

 

[xpanda]

What in the first place makes you think it's my view that terrorists should be appeased? And what's your definition of 'appeased', anyway?

Where our views on terrorism part ways, I think, is on the method, not intent. I don't disagree with ending violence directed at the civilian population. I do believe in finding any and all terrorists and bringing them to justice. I'm not a hypocrite ... I don't advocate dropping bombs on nations, but I don't advocate cutting off heads or sending in suicide bombers, either. I just think that at some point you have to begin to ask if there is anything being done on your side to contribute to the problem, rather than simply throw more of the same at it.

In the case of ETA, well, what are their demands? Maybe they're reasonable, after all, weren't ours? Both of our countries have a history of fighting to determine our own destiny. It's a classic human struggle.

Google: Trudeau FLQ "War Measures Act"

How Trudeau dealt with the FLQ, our pseudo-version of ETA.

 

[charleslanger]

Wanna see racial & ethnic diversity in harmonious coexistence? Study how the guerrilla movements all support each other & often work together:

SLA, IRA, SHINING PATH, ETA, KLA, QUAEDA, BLACK PANTHERS.......traditional mortal enemies cooperating.......

& the opposite in Yugoslavia-- Serbs & Croats slaughtered each other in the North, but in the South they united together to slaughter Muslims....

 

[WildBill]

You guys are too funny, you don't even know what the term appeasement means. Unless you can find me a dictionary that defines it as "exercising your right to vote and democratically choosing another party". When you find that, come tell us. In the meantime maybe it should be mentioned:

* Spain, the United States and the European Union have listed ETA as a terrorist organisation. Former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, who survived an ETA attack while he was opposition leader in 1995, made eliminating the group a priority and that has been continued by his Socialist successor, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

* In 2002 the Spanish parliament banned the Basque political party Batasuna, which it described as ETA's political wing. The party denies the allegation.

* ETA has been under pressure in recent years with some 750 suspected members detained since 2000 including more than 100 arrests in 2004. A raid in France two months ago rounded up at least 20 suspects including ETA's "top leader", Mikel Antza. A major arms cache was also seized in the harshest blow against ETA in 12 years.

Oh yeah, and remember how the party that some of you seem to think should have won the election insisted intently for days up until the election that the ETA was responsible for the 3/11 bombings. That little blunder and the intentional act to try to pin it on the ETA was credited more for the lost of the Popular Party than for some stupid "appeasement" excuse bandied about.

 

[PatPatriot]

gotta admit you're funny sometimes.

The WTC bombing was 1993
9/11 was 2002....9 years later

Yeah, don't forget the African embasy and don't forget the USS Cole,and don't forget the pacifist Bill Clinton doing nothing about any of them only embolding the terroist and don't forget how OBL was allowed to basically take over a country Afghanistan and have terror training camps operate with impunity, and don't forget Clinton giving the FLN terroist pardons.How about N. Korea doing their embezziling act on Clinton, Carter and Madeline Halfbright...How fxckin funny is that? You laughing now,Mr. Chamberlin?It ought to be a real scream if London Bridge comes falling down or Big Ben falls on your head.

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What I find the funniest is the US got its biggest catch yet...The lying thieving crimminal pygamys at the libs favorite US hating organization the UN.Everyone of those pigs should be in cuffs....I always found it kind of interesting why the libs favorite young men in their flying machines never flew their fuel wasting, capitalist owning ,noise polluting ,commercial jets into the UN....I guess they didn't want to hurt their sacred cash cow...now ain't that funny.

 

[eek.]

But if you're suddenly including 'the world' not 'the USA' they attacked the Jeddah consulate only yesterday.

Attacks on US soil on occured only once every 8 to 10 years Pat.

So if theres an attack in the next 5 years on US soil does this mean Bush has failed?

You might support Bush, but in the scheme of things he has actually not changed diddly.

(and some like me, think he's made an even bigger hash of things)

 

[docmercer--banned]

Patriot:

The 2 major terrorists attack under Reagan and Bush 41 watch were not not addressed so your Clinton comments look very weak, Mrs Limbaugh