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DALLAS -- As students prepare to return to school here Monday, teachers and parents criticized the relaxation of the district's grading policies in a state that helped trigger national testing requirements.
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The Dallas Independent School District's new policies give students who do poorly more chances to improve their grades. Among the changes: High-school students who fail major tests can retake them within five school days, and only the higher scores count.
School officials say the changes are designed to reduce one of the highest dropout rates in the state. According to the Texas Education Agency, 25.8% of students in the Dallas district who enrolled as ninth-graders in 2003 dropped out before their class's scheduled 2007 graduation.
But the policies have sparked criticism since the Dallas Morning News reported them last week, with angry parents and teachers contending that the district is watering down educational standards for its more than 160,000 students.
"These kids have already gone too far in not being held accountable," says Tracy Dotie-Hill, who has one daughter in Dallas's W.E. Greiner Middle School and another who just graduated from the district's Skyline High School. "When you go into the work force, if you don't meet the standards or deadlines, you have to reap the consequences."
Teachers say the policy undermines their authority. "It's micromanaging and not trusting the fact that we are professionals," says Diane Birdwell, who teaches 10th-grade world history in a Dallas high school and is executive vice president of the Dallas chapter of the National Education Association, a teachers' union.
Dallas school administrators say they aren't lowering standards -- they are giving students additional chances to meet existing requirements.
"Chief among the reasons children drop out of school is because they are failing their course work," says Denise Collier, the Dallas district's chief academic officer. "We don't want to give them a pass, but at the same time we don't want to pass them over."
The Dallas policies appear to fly in the face of a national trend toward tougher grading standards, according to Dan Goldhaber, a research professor at the University of Washington's Center on Reinventing Public Education.
More than a decade ago, loose standards by local districts led several states -- including Texas -- to exercise tougher control over their public schools. Later, the federal government raised its oversight, implementing the 2001 No Child Left Behind Act. That law has itself come under some criticism for emphasizing standardized-test scores.
"This is the reason we've gotten to this place," Mr. Goldhaber says, referring to the new Dallas grading policies. "It really does look like the lowering of standards."
The new Dallas policies stipulate that students must be given at least one chance to make up work they don't turn in on time, with any penalty to be determined by the school, and that high-school students enrolled in regular courses can be assigned no more than ten hours of homework a week.
In addition, no student can receive a final score lower than 50 out of 100 on a report card -- a policy the district says has existed in the past.
Among large school districts in Texas, Dallas's dropout rate is second only to San Antonio's, and it is higher than the 22.1% rate in Houston, the state's largest school district. Almost two-thirds of the students in Dallas's 225 schools are Hispanic, while 29% are African American and 5% are non-Hispanic white.
Some Dallas parents say the changes are necessary. "We're going to have to come up with some concepts [to keep] a child in school," says Ola Allen, president of the parent-teacher association at Skyline High School.
But the move could hurt students overall, says David Figlio, a professor of education and economics at Northwestern University. "It wouldn't surprise me at all if it helps on the margin with the dropout problem but ends up reducing the incentive for students to do well," he says. "This is a case in which there's no free lunch."
 

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I'm sorry gtc08, we tried our best for you. Sometimes things just don't work out, y'know.
 

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The no thickie left behind program.
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BTW: parenting might have something to do with this here issue.
 
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DALLAS -- As students prepare to return to school here Monday, teachers and parents criticized the relaxation of the district's grading policies in a state that helped trigger national testing requirements.
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Thats nothing, why dont u look at the drop out rates for the detroit public school system, it will amaze you as its close to 80% drop out rate:drink:
 

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BTW: parenting might have something to do with this here issue.


Or lack there of... parenting.

When baby's daddy is in jail, or on drugs, or married to somebody else now, it is hard to raise a family.
 

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It is not like the kids are learning anything in high school anyway. So how do we fix it? How about first and foremost, allow some teachers to be fired.

How many days per year do you work, and how many year do teachers who have the entire summer off work? Then throw in the fact that there are some that are absent pretty much once every 2 weeks! There are some lazy ass slug teachers, incompetant teachers, and the male pervert teachers.

Then throw in the fact that students are bringing guns, drugs, and other weapons to school.

Schools aren't about teaching kids math, science, english or history, they are there to teach you to be a good government citizen.
 

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When the government got involved in education all the numbers freefalled to the very bottom of the totem poll.

They got exactly what they wanted - A decadent, ignorant, submissive general public who enjoy being slaves.


Homeschooling is the only option.
 

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teachers have become babysitters

thanks DOE and american parents not taking a more active role in their child's education leave it in the hands of federal government almost guaranteed they gonna do a shittier job than the individual and state government can
 

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its not just the dropout rate, its the stupid idea of trying to keep kids in school. letting them retake tests they fail is the dumbest thing i ever heard.
 

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When the government got involved in education all the numbers freefalled to the very bottom of the totem poll.

They got exactly what they wanted - A decadent, ignorant, submissive general public who enjoy being slaves.


Homeschooling is the only option.

:pope:

or blow up the DOE and give the power back to the states but chances of that are slim now that we stoopid....

big government save me!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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It is not like the kids are learning anything in high school anyway. So how do we fix it? How about first and foremost, allow some teachers to be fired.

How many days per year do you work, and how many year do teachers who have the entire summer off work? Then throw in the fact that there are some that are absent pretty much once every 2 weeks! There are some lazy ass slug teachers, incompetant teachers, and the male pervert teachers.

Then throw in the fact that students are bringing guns, drugs, and other weapons to school.

Schools aren't about teaching kids math, science, english or history, they are there to teach you to be a good government citizen.




..................you are a complete idiot and have no idea what you are talking about!!!!!!! teachers work their asses off for very low pay!! :nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5:
 

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..................you are a complete idiot and have no idea what you are talking about!!!!!!! teachers work their asses off for very low pay!! :nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5::nono5:


Public school teachers are overpaid... 6 hour days, and they only work 75% of the year.

It is funny how the "money isn't everything" teachers who say they teach for their ideals, the kids, and everything else GOOD, bitch about their pay more than anyone I know. They are overpaid.
 

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When the government got involved in education all the numbers freefalled to the very bottom of the totem poll.

They got exactly what they wanted - A decadent, ignorant, submissive general public who enjoy being slaves.


Homeschooling is the only option.


It is easy to manipulate sheep that don't and can't think on their own.
 

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Public school teachers are overpaid... 6 hour days, and they only work 75% of the year.

It is funny how the "money isn't everything" teachers who say they teach for their ideals, the kids, and everything else GOOD, bitch about their pay more than anyone I know. They are overpaid.



.........you are a very fine example of the failed education system in the US..............you are a complete retard!!! teachers are underpaid and work a lot more than you are quoting!!! you do not know what you are talking about!!!!!! its the system not the teachers!!!!
 

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y c-gold i agree with greenshoes on this one

problem is the DOE not the teachers

i knew several teachers that supported ron paul because they hated the DOE
 

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It ain't teachers, but it is teachers unions who protect tenured and very bad teachers.

It ain't teachers, but it is the ACLU that prevent teachers and administrators from disciplining disruptive students.

Get rid of the ACLU and the NEA and kids will start learning again.

One point that everyone appears to be missing is the millions of lives of inner city kids that have been condemned to the socio-economic cellar because the ACLU and NEA continue to persue an agenda that is racist and bigoted against the poor.
 

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aclu just the tip of the iceburg

they do some stupid shit i agree

source of the problem is DOE

take that out and give the money and power back to the states and alot of the problems will fix themselves naturally
 

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The starting salary of a teacher is not that much less than a typical entry level job.

They work 25% less on a typical day, and they have the 3 month summer vacation ( only work 9 months in the year). They can't lose their job and they get decent pay increases every single year.

Most of the teachers in " the arts" are just glorified babysitters anyway.
 

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