Two-party 'charade' must end, Ron Paul says

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there are 4 other choices people.....shun the two party (one party) sham system this election

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas called on voters to back a third-party candidate for president Wednesday, rejecting his party's nominee and offering equally harsh words for the Democratic candidate.

Paul, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican presidential nomination this year, told supporters at the National Press Club in Washington that he is not endorsing GOP nominee Sen. John McCain or Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama.


Instead, Paul will give his seal of approval to four candidates: Green Party nominee Cynthia McKinney, Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr, independent candidate Ralph Nader and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.


Paul said he's supporting the third-party candidates because the two major parties and media had "colluded" to avoid discussing issues and falsely presenting the difference between McCain and Obama as real.


"I've come to the conclusion, after having spent many years in politics, is that our presidential elections turn out to be more of a charade than anything else, and I think that is true today. It is a charade," he said.
Paul offered an open endorsement to the four candidates because each signed onto a policy statement that calls for "balancing budgets, bring troops home, personal liberties and investigating the Federal Reserve," an aide to the congressman said.


Paul said a strong showing by the third-party candidates would express the public's frustration with the current system.

"I have no doubt that the majority is on our side," Paul added, citing public opinion polls. "We represent the majority of the American people."


Paul said that he had received a call from the McCain campaign Tuesday asking for his endorsement. Paul's response: "I don't like the idea of getting 2 to 3 million people [Paul supporters] angry at me."


McCain's aides argued that the Texas Republican should endorse McCain because he would do a "little less harm" than Obama, Paul said, but "we just don't need to do that anymore."


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"If you ever get to the point where you believe the two parties are essentially the same, if the majority is outside of the establishment, it's not very democratic. The process is not working," Paul said.


Paul attacked Obama, saying, "He's not for change," and the congressman argued that his efforts would help the Republican Party.


"If the Republican side realized what I'm trying to do, they should be funding me," Paul said.


Paul failed in his bid for the Republican nomination, but he found a large, diverse audience for his anti-war and anti-tax messages.



The Texas congressman's campaign was fueled by an on-line, grass-roots fundraising operation. Throughout the campaign, Paul supporters called on others to join the "Ron Paul Revolution."


At the Republican National Convention last week in St. Paul, Minnesota, Paul supporters threw their own party in Minneapolis. iReport.com: See Ron Paul signs raised high at the "counter-convention"

Paul, who said he entered the presidential race reluctantly, told the roaring audience, "I lost my skepticism. I hope you lost your apathy."


"I did not want to run people's lives. I did not want to run the economy and I did not want to run the world. I didn't have the authority to do it, and I didn't have the Constitution behind me to do it," said Paul, who has been in the House of Representatives for more than 30 years
 

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What percentage do people think that the third parties combined will get?

More or less than 5%?
 

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i dunno t2050 personally i don't care who people vote for as long as it isn't mccain or obama...

let your voice be heard that you are sick of this two party circus show shit.....just look at the nonsense that goes on at this forum....has nothing to do with issues....just trying to figure out who's the biggest loser.....

i'll probably go with barr i guess....not a huge fan but barr closest of all 6 to what i want

i dunno D2.....no clue....guessing more than 5% but we shall see.....
 

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Around 5% would be my guess. Maybe 3% for Barr and 2% for the remaining bunch. Barr should campaign hard in Georgia, Florida and Virginia.
 

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nadar probably good for 2-3% himself has he ever done worse?

nevermind just in 2000....2004 only got .38%
 

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Hey Tiz,

I couldn't agree more. This country's only shot is to break up these 2 parties who continually avoid, talking about the real issues, like Ron Paul was willing to constantly address. That being said, I still hate Obama for everything he is, and stands for, however, I couldn't vote for McCain either

I am voting for Bob Barr because he is the closest to what I believe in.

If one more person tells me I am wasting my vote I am going to strangle them for being a robot. The goal is to get enough support to spread the message. Then you hope to get more support form people who believe in these principals on the local level that can make a difference in the future

I dont know what is harder for me to believe, that Obama didnt know his Church that he attended for 20 years , sole objective was to preach Black liberation theology,
or that no other canditate except for Ron Paul will say that WE ARE BROKE, and we have no money to do anything. Turn the printing pres off, please! :think2:
 

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Oh yeah I think he got less than 1% last time around. I would bet my farm than he doesn't get 2%.


Agree he is less and less significant every time he runs.
 

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Come down from your cloud just for a second, Tizzie. And imagine if we had a divided government, with about 1/4 of Congress behind each of these kooks. (Ok, maybe Nader and Barr aren't kooks, the former is just a pompous egotist, and the latter is just a hypocritical opportunist.) Do you really think anything would EVER get accomplished? Do you really think any legislation would EVER get passed? I realize that most of you Paulists - at least the few like yourself who don't spend their lives obsessing about 911 and dreaming up new conspiracy theories -think this would be just fine. Until there was economic chaos, or anarchy in the streets, or a completely poisoned atmosphere or an outbreak of salmonella from contaminated food that wasn't inspected. To see how well splintered government functions in times of crisis, see Germany 1932.

I agree, the system is definitely broken and needs to be fixed. But the answer is not dismantling the two party system and supporting anyone and everyone who runs outside of the system.
 

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You libertarian guys would get murdered by the communists or the corporate fascists.

This may come as a surprise but you're not the only loonies dreaming of jumping into the void after a social and economic collapse.

And considering that so far you people can't even start up a place the size of Cuba and run it for a few years I really can't see you folks being much of a threat to the other doomsday politicals.
 
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You libertarian guys would get murdered by the communists or the corporate fascists.

This may come as a surprise but you're not the only loonies dreaming of jumping into the void after a social and economic collapse.

And considering that so far you people can't even start up a place the size of Cuba and run it for a few years I really can't see you people being much of a threat to the other doomsday politicals.


Exactly. About half of the Paulistinians are supporting Chuck Baldwin. If he were elected, the other half would be hauled off and shot.
 

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Come down from your cloud just for a second, Tizzie. And imagine if we had a divided government, with about 1/4 of Congress behind each of these kooks. (Ok, maybe Nader and Barr aren't kooks, the former is just a pompous egotist, and the latter is just a hypocritical opportunist.) Do you really think anything would EVER get accomplished? Do you really think any legislation would EVER get passed? I realize that most of you Paulists - at least the few like yourself who don't spend their lives obsessing about 911 and dreaming up new conspiracy theories -think this would be just fine. Until there was economic chaos, or anarchy in the streets, or a completely poisoned atmosphere or an outbreak of salmonella from contaminated food that wasn't inspected. To see how well splintered government functions in times of crisis, see Germany 1932.

I agree, the system is definitely broken and needs to be fixed. But the answer is not dismantling the two party system and supporting anyone and everyone who runs outside of the system.

We have 5 parties in Canada...and only 10% of the population of the USA.

You guys have over 300 million people and the best of those 300 million people you have to offer are two guys that you admittedly can only plug your nose and vote for one of them.

Do you believe in democracy?
 

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We have 5 parties in Canada...and only 10% of the population of the USA.

You guys have over 300 million people and the best of those 300 million people you have to offer are two guys that you admittedly can only plug your nose and vote for one of them.

Do you believe in democracy?


Not to sound jingoistic, friend, but which of our countries would you say has accomplished more in the last 230 years?
 

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Not to sound jingoistic, friend, but which of our countries would you say has accomplished more in the last 230 years?

It's not a complete list...but here's 40 pretty important things to come out of Canada, oh and Canada isn't 230 years old...

# Insulin, Treatment for Diabetes [1921, Frederick Banting, Charles Best]
# Telephone [1876, Alexander Graham Bell]
# Light Bulb [1874, Henry Woodward, Mathew Evans]
# Five Pin Bowling [1908, Thomas F. Ryan]
# Wonderbra [1964, Louise Poirier]
# Pacemaker [1950, John Hopps, Wilfred Bigelow, John Callaghan]
# Robertson Screw, 1908 [Peter Robertson]
# Zipper [1913, Gideon Sundback]
# Electric Wheelchair [1952, George Klein]
# Poutine [1957, Fernand Lachance]
# Cobalt-60 “Bomb” Cancer Treatment [1951, Harold Johns]
# Java Programming Language [1994, James Arthur Gosling]
# Bloody Caesar [1969, Walter Chell]
# Canadarm [1975, Spar Aerospace/NRC]
# Standard time [1878, Sir Sandford Fleming]
# Electron Microscope [1939, James Hillier, Albert Prebus]
# Ski-Doo [1922, Armand Bombardier]
# BlackBerry [1999, Mike Lazaridis]
# Radio Voice Transmission [1900, Reginald Fessenden]
# Birchbark Canoe [First Peoples]
# Basketball [1892, James Naismith]
# Retractable Beer Carton Handle [1957, Steve Pasjack]
# UV Degradable Plastics [1971, James Guillet]
# Instant Replay [1955, CBC’s Hockey Night in Canada]
# Goalie Mask [1959, Jacques Plante]
# Marquis Wheat [1908, Sir Charles Saunders]
# Pablum [1930, Alan Brown, Theodore Drake, Frederick Tisdall]
# Lacrosse [First Peoples]
# Electric Oven [1892, Thomas Ahearn]
# Steam Fog Horn [1853, Robert Foulis]
# Walkie-Talkie [1942, Donald L. Hings]
# Alkaline Long-Lasting Battery [1959, Lewis Urry]
# Paint roller [1940, Norman Breakey]
# Electronic Music Synthesizer [1945, Hugh Le Caine]
# WeeVac 6 [1990, Wendy Murphy]
# Green Garbage Bag [1950, Harry Wasylyk, Larry Hansen, Frank Plomp]
# Snowblower [1925, Arthur Sicard]
# Self-propelled Combine Harvester [1937, Thomas Carroll]
# Instant Mashed Potatoes [1962, Edward Asselbergs]
# Explosives Vapour Detector [1985, Lorne Elias]
 

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Come down from your cloud just for a second, Tizzie. And imagine if we had a divided government, with about 1/4 of Congress behind each of these kooks. (Ok, maybe Nader and Barr aren't kooks, the former is just a pompous egotist, and the latter is just a hypocritical opportunist.) Do you really think anything would EVER get accomplished? Do you really think any legislation would EVER get passed? I realize that most of you Paulists - at least the few like yourself who don't spend their lives obsessing about 911 and dreaming up new conspiracy theories -think this would be just fine. Until there was economic chaos, or anarchy in the streets, or a completely poisoned atmosphere or an outbreak of salmonella from contaminated food that wasn't inspected. To see how well splintered government functions in times of crisis, see Germany 1932.

I agree, the system is definitely broken and needs to be fixed. But the answer is not dismantling the two party system and supporting anyone and everyone who runs outside of the system.


Exactly, I dont want any legislation passed

Plenty is getting accompished now, we are heading to socialism, we are flat broke, and everyone all over the world hates us
 

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Come down from your cloud just for a second, Tizzie. And imagine if we had a divided government, with about 1/4 of Congress behind each of these kooks. (Ok, maybe Nader and Barr aren't kooks, the former is just a pompous egotist, and the latter is just a hypocritical opportunist.) Do you really think anything would EVER get accomplished? Do you really think any legislation would EVER get passed? I realize that most of you Paulists - at least the few like yourself who don't spend their lives obsessing about 911 and dreaming up new conspiracy theories -think this would be just fine. Until there was economic chaos, or anarchy in the streets, or a completely poisoned atmosphere or an outbreak of salmonella from contaminated food that wasn't inspected. To see how well splintered government functions in times of crisis, see Germany 1932.

I agree, the system is definitely broken and needs to be fixed. But the answer is not dismantling the two party system and supporting anyone and everyone who runs outside of the system.

since when is a two party system democratic?

most countries have more than 2 parties

a little competition never hurt things and monopolies usually are bad for the consumer (little guy)

why wouldn't this be the case in politics

the system is biased and doesn't let other parties/ways of thinking have a say

also i don't want the FEDERAL government to do anything anyway

since as history has shown us they tend to fuck everything up

state and local offiicials should govern not federal career politicians in the pockets of vested interests

its not like there is no government if the federal government isn't "doing anything" they weren't intended to do much of anything in the first place anyway

many people like eekster miss the whole setup of the US.....the states are supposed to take care of the states needs and govern acccordingly.....they can be good little commies in some states and be anarchists pretty much in say a montana or something if they please.....if that fits there states needs and desires......not the feds telling us ALL what is good for us.....
 

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since when is a two party system democratic?



many people like eekster miss the whole setup of the US.....the states are supposed to take care of the states needs and govern acccordingly.....they can be good little commies in some states and be anarchists pretty much in say a montana or something if they please.....if that fits there states needs and desires......not the feds telling us ALL what is good for us.....

Wow. I recommend a thorough reading of the Constitution and particularly the Federalist papers. And a history of the US pre-civil war. And a history the South post-civil war, 1865 - 1965 (you can google "Jim Crow" for starters).
 

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