ope:
The one thing that no one is looking at in this game in strength of schedule. Sometimes an overrated angle, much like the revenge angle, but in this situation I do not think you can ignore it.
Rice has played Texas and Vandy. Two top 10 defenses.
Rice beat NTexas by 57. Tulsa beat em by 30.
Doesnt mean shit (N Texas), but if Tulsa is as dominating as the entire world is saying here, shouldnt they have beaten NTexas by at least 40? I know they played them on the road but it should not matter.
What is more concerning to me is the fact that Tulsa has given up a lot of points and yards to teams with VERY sub-par offenses.
Rices QB and WR were just put in the NCAA hall of fame as the top WR-QB combo of ALL TIME. Rice also has a bad ass TE and their other WR are very capable. I think this is a close game.
Rice has played Texas and Vandy. Two top 10 defenses.
Rice beat NTexas by 57. Tulsa beat em by 30.
Doesnt mean shit (N Texas), but if Tulsa is as dominating as the entire world is saying here, shouldnt they have beaten NTexas by at least 40? I know they played them on the road but it should not matter.
What is more concerning to me is the fact that Tulsa has given up a lot of points and yards to teams with VERY sub-par offenses.
Rices QB and WR were just put in the NCAA hall of fame as the top WR-QB combo of ALL TIME. Rice also has a bad ass TE and their other WR are very capable. I think this is a close game.
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<!--quotec-->RICE @ Tulsa: a game that should never be played...
decent angles here:
Recent Meetings Yard Margins
Date Away/Home Line O/U Tot Rus Pas
11/24/07 TULSA 48 - RICE 43 RICE 13.5 O 77 -108 -8 -100
11/11/06 RICE 41 - TULSA 38 x RICE 14 O 55 212 113 99
10/15/05 TULSA 41 - RICE 21 TULSA -6 O 56.5 67 -53 120
10/30/04 RICE 22 - TULSA 39 TULSA 1 O 57 62 -10 72
11/08/03 TULSA 31 - RICE 28 Push 3.0 O 58 169 5 164
11/02/02 RICE 33 - TULSA 18 RICE -7.5 O 46 -299 -380 81
11/10/01 TULSA 32 - RICE 59 RICE -19.5 - - -147 -237 90
09/16/00 TULSA 23 - RICE 16 TULSA 11 U 47.5 -153 -262 109
10/02/99 RICE 20 - TULSA 10 RICE -5 - - -5 -275 270
10/17/98 TULSA 10 - RICE 14 Push -4.0 - - 47 -65 112
looks to be a visitor's series. definite over series. dog has covered 4 of last 5. interesting that Rice has come in at this # L2 and won both ATS and once SU.
common opponent: North Texas (not the greatest barometer, they are definitely in top 10, maybe THE worst team)
TULSA 14 28 7 7 56 -21.5 Cover: +8.5
NOTEX 7 3 3 13 26 66 Over: 82
Team Stats
Tulsa North Texas
Score 56 26
First downs 0 25
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-11
45% 5-for-15
33%
4th Down Efficiency 1-for-2
50% 1-for-2
50%
Total Yards 555 450
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 35-135 34-203
Average Per Rush 3.9 6.0
Passing
Comp-Att 27-35 30-45
Passing Yards 420 247
Average Per Pass Play 12.0 5.5
Penalties-Yards 4-30 8-60
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 3-2
Interceptions Thrown 0 0
Time of Possession 27:11 30:59
NOTEX 13 7 0 0 20 67 Over: 97
RICE 21 35 21 0 77 -16 Cover: +41
Team Stats
North Texas Rice
Score 20 77
First downs 0 0
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-14
36% 3-for-10
30%
4th Down Efficiency 0-for-3
0% 1-for-2
50%
Total Yards 412 502
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 30-155 39-174
Average Per Rush 5.2 4.5
Passing
Comp-Att 26-45 23-30
Passing Yards 257 328
Average Per Pass Play 5.7 10.9
Penalties-Yards 6-41 4-45
Fumbles-Lost 3-3 1-0
Interceptions Thrown 3 0
Time of Possession 30:09 29:51
Overall, the numbers look fairly similar. The turnover margin was 6-0 in favor of Rice, and 2-0 in favor of Tulsa against NT, and that partially explains the final score differential when combined with home/away etc. I do think it's somewhat surprising that Rice gave up quite a bit less rushing yardage than Tulsa did vs NT. That points to Rice plus the points, that is what I'm most concerned with...Tulsa appears to have an advantage in the run game. Waiting for add'l info to come in...<!--QuoteEnd-->
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Part 2.
Tulsa/UAB 45-22: UAB current #'s:
Offense Record Rank
Total Yards 373.2 59
Passing Yards 208.4 66
Rushing Yards 164.8 51
Points Scored 23.4 81
Field Goal % 75 47
Defense
Record Rank
Total Yards 466.4 116
Passing Yards 291 115
Rushing Yards 175.4 92
Points Allowed 33 104
Field Goal % 83.3 89
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Team Stats
Tulsa Alabama-Birmingham
Score 45 22
First downs 19 21
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-11
45% 8-for-13
62%
4th Down Efficiency 0-for-1
0% 0-for-0
0%
Total Yards 601 414
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 38-240 36-245
Average Per Rush 6.3 6.8
Passing
Comp-Att 21-25 17-31
Passing Yards 361 169
Average Per Pass Play 14.4 5.5
Penalties-Yards 3-29 5-35
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 0-2
Interceptions Thrown 0 1
Time of Possession 25:17 34:43
Tulsa put up 601 but allowed 414, 245 on the ground to a 55-60 ranked offense, UAB's defense is in the 110's...more
<!--quotec-->RICE @ Tulsa: a game that should never be played...
decent angles here:
Recent Meetings Yard Margins
Date Away/Home Line O/U Tot Rus Pas
11/24/07 TULSA 48 - RICE 43 RICE 13.5 O 77 -108 -8 -100
11/11/06 RICE 41 - TULSA 38 x RICE 14 O 55 212 113 99
10/15/05 TULSA 41 - RICE 21 TULSA -6 O 56.5 67 -53 120
10/30/04 RICE 22 - TULSA 39 TULSA 1 O 57 62 -10 72
11/08/03 TULSA 31 - RICE 28 Push 3.0 O 58 169 5 164
11/02/02 RICE 33 - TULSA 18 RICE -7.5 O 46 -299 -380 81
11/10/01 TULSA 32 - RICE 59 RICE -19.5 - - -147 -237 90
09/16/00 TULSA 23 - RICE 16 TULSA 11 U 47.5 -153 -262 109
10/02/99 RICE 20 - TULSA 10 RICE -5 - - -5 -275 270
10/17/98 TULSA 10 - RICE 14 Push -4.0 - - 47 -65 112
looks to be a visitor's series. definite over series. dog has covered 4 of last 5. interesting that Rice has come in at this # L2 and won both ATS and once SU.
common opponent: North Texas (not the greatest barometer, they are definitely in top 10, maybe THE worst team)
TULSA 14 28 7 7 56 -21.5 Cover: +8.5
NOTEX 7 3 3 13 26 66 Over: 82
Team Stats
Tulsa North Texas
Score 56 26
First downs 0 25
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-11
45% 5-for-15
33%
4th Down Efficiency 1-for-2
50% 1-for-2
50%
Total Yards 555 450
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 35-135 34-203
Average Per Rush 3.9 6.0
Passing
Comp-Att 27-35 30-45
Passing Yards 420 247
Average Per Pass Play 12.0 5.5
Penalties-Yards 4-30 8-60
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 3-2
Interceptions Thrown 0 0
Time of Possession 27:11 30:59
NOTEX 13 7 0 0 20 67 Over: 97
RICE 21 35 21 0 77 -16 Cover: +41
Team Stats
North Texas Rice
Score 20 77
First downs 0 0
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-14
36% 3-for-10
30%
4th Down Efficiency 0-for-3
0% 1-for-2
50%
Total Yards 412 502
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 30-155 39-174
Average Per Rush 5.2 4.5
Passing
Comp-Att 26-45 23-30
Passing Yards 257 328
Average Per Pass Play 5.7 10.9
Penalties-Yards 6-41 4-45
Fumbles-Lost 3-3 1-0
Interceptions Thrown 3 0
Time of Possession 30:09 29:51
Overall, the numbers look fairly similar. The turnover margin was 6-0 in favor of Rice, and 2-0 in favor of Tulsa against NT, and that partially explains the final score differential when combined with home/away etc. I do think it's somewhat surprising that Rice gave up quite a bit less rushing yardage than Tulsa did vs NT. That points to Rice plus the points, that is what I'm most concerned with...Tulsa appears to have an advantage in the run game. Waiting for add'l info to come in...<!--QuoteEnd-->
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Part 2.
Tulsa/UAB 45-22: UAB current #'s:
Offense Record Rank
Total Yards 373.2 59
Passing Yards 208.4 66
Rushing Yards 164.8 51
Points Scored 23.4 81
Field Goal % 75 47
Defense
Record Rank
Total Yards 466.4 116
Passing Yards 291 115
Rushing Yards 175.4 92
Points Allowed 33 104
Field Goal % 83.3 89
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Team Stats
Tulsa Alabama-Birmingham
Score 45 22
First downs 19 21
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-11
45% 8-for-13
62%
4th Down Efficiency 0-for-1
0% 0-for-0
0%
Total Yards 601 414
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 38-240 36-245
Average Per Rush 6.3 6.8
Passing
Comp-Att 21-25 17-31
Passing Yards 361 169
Average Per Pass Play 14.4 5.5
Penalties-Yards 3-29 5-35
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 0-2
Interceptions Thrown 0 1
Time of Possession 25:17 34:43
Tulsa put up 601 but allowed 414, 245 on the ground to a 55-60 ranked offense, UAB's defense is in the 110's...more
Tulsa/ North Texas:
Team Stats
Tulsa North Texas
Score 56 26
First downs 0 25
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-11
45% 5-for-15
33%
4th Down Efficiency 1-for-2
50% 1-for-2
50%
Total Yards 555 450
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 35-135 34-203
Average Per Rush 3.9 6.0
Passing
Comp-Att 27-35 30-45
Passing Yards 420 247
Average Per Pass Play 12.0 5.5
Penalties-Yards 4-30 8-60
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 3-2
Interceptions Thrown 0 0
Time of Possession 27:11 30:59
North Texas current #'s:
Offense
Record Rank
Total Yards 316.5 99
Passing Yards 189.8 85
Rushing Yards 126.8 88
Points Scored 13.8 116
Field Goal % 75 54
Defense
Record Rank
Total Yards 488.2 117
Passing Yards 315.8 118
Rushing Yards 172.5 89
Points Allowed 54.8 120
Field Goal % 75 74
Tulsa allowed 26 pts and another 450 yds to one of the worst teams in football, 116th in pts scored.
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Tulsa / New Mexico
Team Stats
New Mexico Tulsa
Score 14 56
First downs 16 28
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-14
36% 14-for-15
93%
4th Down Efficiency 1-for-2
50% 0-for-1
0%
Total Yards 316 606
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 37-126 37-137
Average Per Rush 3.4 3.7
Passing
Comp-Att 18-25 24-39
Passing Yards 190 469
Average Per Pass Play 7.6 12.0
Penalties-Yards 8-65 3-45
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 0-1
Interceptions Thrown 4 2
Time of Possession 32:14 27:46
New Mexico's current #'s:
Offense
Record Rank
Total Yards 309.6 105
Passing Yards 128.6 110
Rushing Yards 181 38
Points Scored 22 85
Field Goal % 90.9 16
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Tulsa / Central Arkansas:
Team Stats
Central Arkansas Tulsa
Score 34 62
First downs 0 0
3rd Down Efficiency 6-for-13
46% 10-for-12
83%
4th Down Efficiency 0-for-2
0% 0-for-0
0%
Total Yards 435 641
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 35-93 42-329
Average Per Rush 2.7 7.8
Passing
Comp-Att 24-34 20-27
Passing Yards 342 312
Average Per Pass Play 10.1 11.6
Penalties-Yards 6-45 5-57
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 0-0
Interceptions Thrown 0 2
Time of Possession 35:40 24:20
Defense
Record Rank
Total Yards 384.2 85
Passing Yards 287.2 114
Rushing Yards 97 24
Points Allowed 32.4 102
Field Goal % 60 42
Tulsa gave up 435 yards to Central Arkansas.
I look at a lot of different angles outside of the most frequently probable number. Just about everything is pointing to Rice in this spot. The only one that is not pointing to Rice is the number continuing to rise a bit, but that's ok I'll take more points.
Team Stats
Tulsa North Texas
Score 56 26
First downs 0 25
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-11
45% 5-for-15
33%
4th Down Efficiency 1-for-2
50% 1-for-2
50%
Total Yards 555 450
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 35-135 34-203
Average Per Rush 3.9 6.0
Passing
Comp-Att 27-35 30-45
Passing Yards 420 247
Average Per Pass Play 12.0 5.5
Penalties-Yards 4-30 8-60
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 3-2
Interceptions Thrown 0 0
Time of Possession 27:11 30:59
North Texas current #'s:
Offense
Record Rank
Total Yards 316.5 99
Passing Yards 189.8 85
Rushing Yards 126.8 88
Points Scored 13.8 116
Field Goal % 75 54
Defense
Record Rank
Total Yards 488.2 117
Passing Yards 315.8 118
Rushing Yards 172.5 89
Points Allowed 54.8 120
Field Goal % 75 74
Tulsa allowed 26 pts and another 450 yds to one of the worst teams in football, 116th in pts scored.
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Tulsa / New Mexico
Team Stats
New Mexico Tulsa
Score 14 56
First downs 16 28
3rd Down Efficiency 5-for-14
36% 14-for-15
93%
4th Down Efficiency 1-for-2
50% 0-for-1
0%
Total Yards 316 606
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 37-126 37-137
Average Per Rush 3.4 3.7
Passing
Comp-Att 18-25 24-39
Passing Yards 190 469
Average Per Pass Play 7.6 12.0
Penalties-Yards 8-65 3-45
Fumbles-Lost 0-0 0-1
Interceptions Thrown 4 2
Time of Possession 32:14 27:46
New Mexico's current #'s:
Offense
Record Rank
Total Yards 309.6 105
Passing Yards 128.6 110
Rushing Yards 181 38
Points Scored 22 85
Field Goal % 90.9 16
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Tulsa / Central Arkansas:
Team Stats
Central Arkansas Tulsa
Score 34 62
First downs 0 0
3rd Down Efficiency 6-for-13
46% 10-for-12
83%
4th Down Efficiency 0-for-2
0% 0-for-0
0%
Total Yards 435 641
Rushing
Rushes-Net Yards 35-93 42-329
Average Per Rush 2.7 7.8
Passing
Comp-Att 24-34 20-27
Passing Yards 342 312
Average Per Pass Play 10.1 11.6
Penalties-Yards 6-45 5-57
Fumbles-Lost 1-0 0-0
Interceptions Thrown 0 2
Time of Possession 35:40 24:20
Defense
Record Rank
Total Yards 384.2 85
Passing Yards 287.2 114
Rushing Yards 97 24
Points Allowed 32.4 102
Field Goal % 60 42
Tulsa gave up 435 yards to Central Arkansas.
I look at a lot of different angles outside of the most frequently probable number. Just about everything is pointing to Rice in this spot. The only one that is not pointing to Rice is the number continuing to rise a bit, but that's ok I'll take more points.
