Trading up to the second round of the NFL draft and using two picks to take Florida State kicker --Bucs roll dice with Robert Aguayo pick

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RICK STROUDTampa Bay TimesSaturday, April 30, 2016 8:47pm




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TAMPA — Trading up to the second round of the NFL draft and using two picks to take Florida State kicker Robert Aguayo was either the dumbest thing the Bucs have ever done or a move that will bring them pots of gold, Super Bowl rings and limousines.

Never mind that Aguayo is the most accurate kicker in college football history or that he never missed a field goal inside of 40 yards and was perfect on all 198 extra points.
Detractors will tell you the second round is where you draft a football player, not a Rockette.
Before rolling the dice on Aguayo, the Bucs went all in on Eastern Kentucky defensive end Noah Spence, who got kicked out of Ohio State after multiple failed drug tests and an appetite for parties and ecstasy pills.
Heck, not everyone was on board with the Bucs using their first-round pick on Gators cornerback Vernon Hargreaves in the first round, noting he's undersized at 5 feet 10.
So this shaped up to be a feast-or-famine draft for general manager Jason Licht.
"Talk about raising eyebrows," ESPN wrote.
"Yup, the Bucs drafted a kicker in the second round," read a headline in the Washington Post.
"Don't worry, we weren't going to draft a long-snapper and a holder, too," Licht said.
But where you see risk, Licht only is focused on reward.
At the end of the draft Saturday, Licht was convinced the Bucs had added the best "pure cover corner," the best "pure pass rusher" and an "invaluable" kicker.
"We needed to be bold there, and we were," Licht said of Aguayo. "If you love a player, you have to go up and get him."
By far, the most scrutinized pick by any team in the draft was Aguayo. It's the highest any kicker was taken since 2005, when the Jets used a second-rounder on Mike Nugent out of Ohio State, who flamed out after four seasons in New York and four games in Tampa Bay but has been a mainstay the past six years for the Bengals. "A great kicker can be the difference in several games," Licht said. "I've been around some great ones: Adam Vinatieri, (Stephen) Gostkowski. Those guys are invaluable.
"I'm probably not surprised (at the reaction), but that will all go away when the games start. It's just so hard to find a great kicker. They come around once in a decade, guys like this, in my opinion. We could do what we had to do, or we could wait another decade. I'd rather do it now."
The importance of a kicker has been heightened in the NFL. The PAT is now 33 yards, and the new kickoff rule means the ball is spotted at the 25-yard line after a touchback, not the 20.
"The typical days of the kicker are long gone," said former Bucs assistant special teams coach Billy Miller, who trained Aguayo at IMG Academy. Last season, 59 regular-season games (23 percent) were decided by three or fewer points. "If you look at how many games come down to three points or less … a 90 percent kicker now is about the norm. That means the Bucs just made Roberto a 15-year vet in the league."
Licht maneuvered well in the draft. That's what a good GM does. He began the draft Thursday by moving down two spots in a trade with the Bears and still got his man, Hargreaves, at No. 11. He used that fourth-round pick from the Bears and flipped it to the Chiefs to jump up 15 places and grab Aguayo. On Saturday, he found a potential safety in Ryan Smith from tiny North Carolina Central. He plucked a right tackle who can also play guard from UCLA in Caleb Benenoch. The sixth round netted Oklahoma linebacker Devante Bond and Northwestern fullback Dan Vitale.
"Dirk (Koetter) and I talk about it, we've talked about it's like him on game day calling plays," Licht said of the new Bucs coach. "You have a script, you have things that you want to try to do, different scenarios for different players, you value different players differently — these are players that we would move up for, these are players we think we can sit and wait on … so you have to have a feel."
It wasn't a perfect draft. The Bucs did not add a defensive tackle, despite a surplus in the draft at that position. They didn't add a receiver, as they hoped.
Was it as good as 2015, when the Bucs drafted four starters, including Jameis Winston?
"I have the same feeling right now that I did last year," Licht said. "I think we have an excellent chance to be a good football team."
Bet on it.
 

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Terrible decision which sums up a horrible Bucs draft in my opinion.

Besides Tampa already has a solid kicker.

And comparing Vernon Hargreaves to Ronde Barber is laughable.

But of course Jason Licht is still boasting about taking Jameis Winston last year & already proclaiming him a franchise QB after only a decent rookie season....
 

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Trading up to take a kicker rd 2 seems extremely questionable.

When the Raiders sprung for Jani, at the time it was thought that he would be able to kick touchbacks and completely negate the return game. Obviously that isn't worth much now but it atleast made some sense at the time.

This guy doesn't even seem that much better than the other kickers.
 

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I don't understand why everyone discounts kickers.

Yes the kickoff from the 35 lowers their value on kickoffs but the 37 yard extra point is a big deal. Many missed extra points last season.

And this guy has not missed a FG inside 40 ever .

Teams have won and lost playoff games due due kickers
Made and missed the playoffs due to kickers .
Won and lost Super Bowls due to kickers.

Honestly if the saints would have drafted that guy I would not be upset .

But PF.
This guy is supposed to be the best kicker since Jani.
I would certainly give up a 2nd round pick to get a kicker like the Pats have right now .
 
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NFL kickers are so good now that I can't imagine any of them stand out so much as to warrant being a second round pick; I think they made a big mistake.
 
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The Bucs thinking is they have a black qb. They know he cant actually lead them to a touchdown but he hopes he can be just dumb enough to get a couple of lucky plays and put them in FG range.
 

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I don't understand why everyone discounts kickers.

Yes the kickoff from the 35 lowers their value on kickoffs but the 37 yard extra point is a big deal. Many missed extra points last season.

And this guy has not missed a FG inside 40 ever .

Teams have won and lost playoff games due due kickers
Made and missed the playoffs due to kickers .
Won and lost Super Bowls due to kickers.

Honestly if the saints would have drafted that guy I would not be upset .

But PF.
This guy is supposed to be the best kicker since Jani.
I would certainly give up a 2nd round pick to get a kicker like the Pats have right now .

Completely agree. Having a great, reliable kicker is so valuable in the NFL. It's worth a risk imo.....how many 2nd round picks have zero impact? Seems a lot do. I have no problem with the pick....and moving up to get him.
 

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i like this as a Bucs fan,,,



draft is overrated..
the pats would be good with no pocks in first 3 rounds year in year out

and the browns and raiders suck with top picks year after year after year after year..
 

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I don't understand why everyone discounts kickers.

Yes the kickoff from the 35 lowers their value on kickoffs but the 37 yard extra point is a big deal. Many missed extra points last season.

And this guy has not missed a FG inside 40 ever .

Teams have won and lost playoff games due due kickers
Made and missed the playoffs due to kickers .
Won and lost Super Bowls due to kickers.

Honestly if the saints would have drafted that guy I would not be upset .

But PF.
This guy is supposed to be the best kicker since Jani.
I would certainly give up a 2nd round pick to get a kicker like the Pats have right now .

This would maybe make sense for a team that was strong all around and had the luxury to take a kicker rd 2. I still don't think it would, but the logic would be more defensible. I would still say the margin for error in the NFL is so thin that you have to make every pick count and acquire as much positional talent as possible. Was someone else going to take this guy in rd 3, 4?

However, the Buccs obviously aren't that team, they are a rebuilding team that needs help on the defensive side of the ball. A 2nd rd pick is no joke, you can land a very good player with a pick like that. There is a reason nobody else spends 2nd rd picks on kickers. Unless your GM is an idiot, you should be able to find a FA that can do the job very well. It's Florida too, not like we're talking kicking in Pittsburgh or New England in January here...

Jani really didn't have that great of a career either, yeah he has crazy range on his leg but he also missed tons of big kicks over the years. The difference between him and an average kicker isn't very big considering how good average K's are these days.
 

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Connor Barth made 23-28 FG's fot the Bucs last season.
2 of those misses were from 50+ Yards.

This Aguayo kid will be lucky to be even as accurate as that.

How much better can a kicker really be?!?
24 out of 28, 25 out of 28?

That's asking too much but EVEN if he does make a couple more is that REALLY worth a 2nd round pick?

The answer is Hell No.

Like Pete Prisco said, he doesn't care how good Aguayo might end up being, the Bucs still get a C+ overall for drafting a kicker in the 2nd round
 

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Did people see the Buccs play last year? When watching them, I don't think anyone was thinking "Man if this team just drafted a kicker they would be ready to roll!"
 

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Did people see the Buccs play last year? When watching them, I don't think anyone was thinking "Man if this team just drafted a kicker they would be ready to roll!"



Exactly.

Here's something several probably dont know....

Opposing Quarterbacks, in all 16 games combined, which included several backups, conpleted 70% of their passes against Tampa's defense.

You heard it right...70%.

Bucs D made a few scrubs look like All-Stars last year...
 

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I'm a bucs fan and this was just absolutly a horrid decision by a team known for making awful draft picks. Like selecting gaines adams instead of adrian peterson years ago.

Here is the truth, the kid is a good kicker. You know who else is pretty much as good or better? atleast half of all NFL kickers, and basically none were taken as high as this kid. Let me ask you this, Janikowski is so great, how many playoff games has he taken the raiders to in his career?

Fact, Aquayo was 4 of 7 from 40-49 yards last year and 1 of 3 from 50 or more. do you know how many current NFL kickers had a better percentage then that last year from those distances? literally like 25 of them. Not even joking. Most of the league had better stats from 40 or more yards. This kid made 80.8% of his field goal attempts in 2015. Again, 32 nfl kickers last season made more then 80.8%. only 2 kickers that attempted more then 13 field goals had a lower percentage made.

I'm so over the bucs stupidity i should just find another team to root for.
 

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More telling is that Yuks only attempted 28 FGs last season. A competent offense should be more like 40+
 

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Terrible pick chop
get with it
lol wait til this guy misses a kick n it goes to his head and he is on the street.. How many times have u seen it happen
 

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I'm a bucs fan and this was just absolutly a horrid decision by a team known for making awful draft picks. Like selecting gaines adams instead of adrian peterson years ago.

Here is the truth, the kid is a good kicker. You know who else is pretty much as good or better? atleast half of all NFL kickers, and basically none were taken as high as this kid. Let me ask you this, Janikowski is so great, how many playoff games has he taken the raiders to in his career?

Fact, Aquayo was 4 of 7 from 40-49 yards last year and 1 of 3 from 50 or more. do you know how many current NFL kickers had a better percentage then that last year from those distances? literally like 25 of them. Not even joking. Most of the league had better stats from 40 or more yards. This kid made 80.8% of his field goal attempts in 2015. Again, 32 nfl kickers last season made more then 80.8%. only 2 kickers that attempted more then 13 field goals had a lower percentage made.

I'm so over the bucs stupidity i should just find another team to root for.

Read a little more about him. He doesn't even seem that good, wtf?

Someone off the RX could've given the Buccs 90% of the production that this guy will. Should've just run a fan contest and used the 2nd rounder on defense.

Michael Strahan was taken in the 2nd round.
 

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Read a little more about him. He doesn't even seem that good, wtf?

Someone off the RX could've given the Buccs 90% of the production that this guy will. Should've just run a fan contest and used the 2nd rounder on defense.

Michael Strahan was taken in the 2nd round.

I think most people, even Florida fans would agree the kid is a good kicker. But the fact is the difference between him and any number of kickers in the nfl is insanely small, if he is even better at all, and thats why you dont use a 2nd round pick on him.

And again, Tampa has more holes then swiss cheese. That defense last year was just fucking putrid. You know who the happiest people in the world that the bucs used a 2nd round pick on a kicker are? the 7-9 shity Defensive starters on the bucs team. Its almost a certainty that any number of guys taken in round 2-3 would be immediate starters on tampa's team but they said fuck it, you know what we really need, a kicker. That will put us over the top. jesus chrst, i cant take this franchise anymore.
 

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