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WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US Senate should strip a "Buy American" clause from President Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan, the chamber's top Republican said Monday amid anger at the restriction from US allies.

"I don't think we ought to use a measure that is supposed to be timely, temporary, and targeted to set off trade wars when the entire world is experiencing a downturn in the economy," said Senator Mitch McConnell.

Asked whether he would support trying to strip the measure from what is now roughly an 888-billion-dollar economic stimulus package, the Republican minority leader told reporters: "I think it's a bad idea to put it in a bill like this, which is supposed to be about jump starting the economy, yes."

The House of Representatives last week voted to require that public works projects funded by its 819-billion-dollar stimulus bill to use only US iron and steel. The Senate version extends that restriction to all manufactured goods.

McConnell's comments came as Canada Trade Minister Stockwell Day warned that US protectionism "can only trigger retaliatory action" as he urged Obama to fight the provision.
 

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Personally this doesn't make sense to me. I know we have to preserve international relationships with our allies. And with the North American Trade Agreement in place Canada and Mexico are relying on us to hold up our end of the bargain. But right now Canada, South America, Asia, nor Europe are providing jobs for the American people.



Why scrap the idea?
 
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Personally this doesn't make sense to me. I know we have to preserve international relationships with our allies. And with the North American Trade Agreement in place other Canada and Mexico are relying on us to hold up our end of the bargain. But right now Canada, South America, Asia, nor Europe are providing jobs for the American people.



Why scrap the idea?

Because as much as i despise globalization and the potential pitfulls with it, protectionism doesn't work. Its self defeating in a time where businesses are strapped. Because at the end of the day, if you build everything here prices will rise. The consumer will not be able to keep up and it will create even more problems.
 

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I always think you should buy products manufactured in the country you reside when possible but forcing it only leads to propping up companies that are making inferior products.
 

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the american people were warned of this yet they voted and we got what we got. hopefully common sense will prevail.:modemman:
 

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Because as much as i despise globalization and the potential pitfulls with it, protectionism doesn't work. Its self defeating in a time where businesses are strapped. Because at the end of the day, if you build everything here prices will rise. The consumer will not be able to keep up and it will create even more problems.

Whether your spend here or spend abroad, demand is demand. OK sure maybe costs of production are lower else where which allow prices to stay competitive, but still in a time when a huge part of the problem is job loss, I don't see how this makes sense to appease our foreign partners. Some of McConnel's idea's make me think he's saying this because of some backroom deal or relationship he has with his canuck partners.

As far as I'm concerned we're (the country) in fucking survival mode. Atleast for a year now. I mean isn't the the solution of the economy supposesd to start with the success of the "private" sector anyway? Well then fuck it, lets pratice what we're friggin preaching here.
 

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As far as I'm concerned we're (the country) in fucking survival mode. Atleast for a year now. I mean isn't the the solution of the economy supposesd to start with the success of the "private" sector anyway? Well then fuck it, lets pratice what we're friggin preaching here.

might wanna open your eyes a bit there granted i know the MSM isn't gonna tell you about all the civil unrest unfolding abroad....

iceland went completely tits up

lots of stuff going on worldwide and we better off than most

worldwide depression unfolding

protectionism, tariffs, high taxes, and an anti business mentality (under both hoover and FDR) made the first great depression worse than it should have been

lets hope we aren't bound to repeat the same mistakes

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Governments across Europe tremble as angry people take to the streets

France paralysed by a wave of strike action, the boulevards of Paris resembling a debris-strewn battlefield. The Hungarian currency sinks to its lowest level ever against the euro, as the unemployment figure rises. Greek farmers block the road into Bulgaria in protest at low prices for their produce. New figures from the biggest bank in the Baltic show that the three post-Soviet states there face the biggest recessions in Europe.

It's a snapshot of a single day – yesterday – in a Europe sinking into the bleakest of times. But while the outlook may be dark in the big wealthy democracies of western Europe, it is in the young, poor, vulnerable states of central and eastern Europe that the trauma of crash, slump and meltdown looks graver.

Exactly 20 years ago, in serial revolutionary rejoicing, they ditched communism to put their faith in a capitalism now in crisis and by which they feel betrayed. The result has been the biggest protests across the former communist bloc since the days of people power.

Europe's time of troubles is gathering depth and scale. Governments are trembling. Revolt is in the air.

Athens
Alexandros Grigoropoulos, a 15-year-old middle-class boy going to a party in a rough neighbourhood on a December Saturday, was the first fatality of Europe's season of strife. Shot dead by a policeman, the boy's killing lit a bonfire of unrest in the city unmatched since the 1970s.

There are many wellsprings of the serial protests rolling across Europe. In Athens, it was students and young people who suddenly mobilised to turn parts of the city into no-go areas. They were sick of the lack of jobs and prospects, the failings of the education system and seized with pessimism over their future.

This week it was the farmers' turn, rolling their tractors out to block the motorways, main road and border crossings across the Balkans to try to obtain better procurement prices for their produce.

Riga
The old Baltic trading city had seen nothing like it since the happy days of kicking out the Russians and overthrowing communism two decades ago. More than 10,000 people converged on the 13th-century cathedral to show the Latvian government what they thought of its efforts at containing the economic crisis. The peaceful protest morphed into a late-night rampage as a minority headed for the parliament, battled with riot police and trashed parts of the old city. The following day there were similar scenes in Vilnius, the Lithuanian capital next door.

After Iceland, Latvia looks like the most vulnerable country to be hammered by the financial and economic crisis. The EU and IMF have already mounted a €7.5bn (£6.6bn) rescue plan but the outlook is the worst in Europe.

The biggest bank in the Baltic, Swedbank of Sweden, yesterday predicted a slump this year in Latvia of a whopping 10%, more than double the previous projections. It added that the economy of Estonia would shrink by 7% and of Lithuania by 4.5%.

The Latvian central bank's governor went on national television this week to pronounce the economy "clinically dead. We have only three or four minutes to resuscitate it".

Paris
Burned-out cars, masked youths, smashed shop windows, and more than a million striking workers. The scenes from France are familiar, but not so familiar to President Nicolas Sarkozy, confronting the first big wave of industrial unrest of his time in the Elysée Palace.

Sarkozy has spent most of his time in office trying to fix the world's problems, with less attention devoted to the home front. From Gaza to Georgia, Russia to Washington, Sarkozy has been a man in a hurry to mediate in trouble spots and grab the credit for peacemaking.

France, meanwhile, is moving into recession and unemployment is going up. The latest jobless figures were to have been released yesterday, but were held back, apparently for fear of inflaming the protests.

Budapest
A balance of payments crisis last autumn, heavy indebtedness and a disastrous budget made Hungary the first European candidate for an international rescue. The $26bn (£18bn) IMF-led bail-out shows scant sign of working. Industrial output is at its lowest for 16 years, the national currency - the forint - sank to a record low against the euro yesterday and the government also announced another round of spending cuts yesterday.

So far the streets have been relatively quiet. The Hungarian misery highlights a key difference between eastern and western Europe. While the UK, Germany, France and others plough hundreds of billions into public spending, tax cuts, bank bailouts and guarantees to industry, the east Europeans (plus Iceland and Ireland) are broke, ordering budget cuts, tax rises, and pleading for international help to shore up their economies.

The austerity and the soaring costs of repaying bank loans and mortgages taken out in hard foreign currencies (euro, yen and dollar) are fuelling the misery.

Kiev
The east European upheavals of 1989 hit Ukraine late, maturing into the Orange Revolution on the streets of Kiev only five years ago. The fresh start promised by President Viktor Yushchenko has, though, dissolved into messy, corrupt, and brutal political infighting, with the economy, growing strongly a few years ago, going into freefall.

Three weeks of gas wars with Russia this month ended in defeat and will cost Ukraine dearly. The national currency, at less than half the value of six months ago, is akin to the fate of Iceland's wrecked krona. Ukrainians have been buying dollars by the billion. In November the IMF waded in with the first payments in a $16bn rescue package.

The vicious power struggles between Yushchenko and the prime minister, Yuliya Tymoshenko, are consuming the ruling elite's energy, paralysing government and leaving the economy dysfunctional. Russia is doing its best to keep things that way.

Reykjavik
Proud of its status as one of the world's most developed, most productive and most equal societies, Iceland is in the throes of what is, by its staid standards, a revolution.

Riot police in Reykjavik, the coolest of capitals. Building bonfires in front of the world's oldest parliament. The yoghurt flying at the free market men who have run the country for decades and brought it to its knees.

An openly gay prime minister takes over today as head of a caretaker government. The neocon right has been ditched. The hard left Greens are, at least for the moment, the most popular party in the small Arctic state with a population the size of Bradford.

The IMF's bailout teams have moved in with $11bn. The national currency, the krona, appears to be finished. Iceland is a test case of how one of the most successful societies on the globe suddenly failed.
 
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You can't buy anything made here anymore anyway...I have a Acer Computer,Haier TV,Grand Gourmet Crock Pot,Hamilton Beach Toaster,Chefmate Microwave,Toastmaster Coffee Pot all made or assembled in China & the Socks & underwear I have on were probably made in Sri Lanka or some damn where so you tell me where I can buy much made here anyway even the newer Craftsman power tools are made in China now.
 

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might wanna open your eyes a bit there granted i know the MSM isn't gonna tell you about all the civil unrest unfolding abroad....

iceland went completely tits up

lots of stuff going on worldwide and we better off than most

worldwide depression unfolding

protectionism, tariffs, high taxes, and an anti business mentality (under both hoover and FDR) made the first great depression worse than it should have been

lets hope we aren't bound to repeat the same mistakes

-----------------------

Governments across Europe tremble as angry people take to the streets

France paralysed by a wave of strike action, the boulevards of Paris resembling a debris-strewn battlefield. The Hungarian currency sinks to its lowest level ever against the euro, as the unemployment figure rises. Greek farmers block the road into Bulgaria in protest at low prices for their produce. New figures from the biggest bank in the Baltic show that the three post-Soviet states there face the biggest recessions in Europe.

It's a snapshot of a single day – yesterday – in a Europe sinking into the bleakest of times. But while the outlook may be dark in the big wealthy democracies of western Europe, it is in the young, poor, vulnerable states of central and eastern Europe that the trauma of crash, slump and meltdown looks graver.

Exactly 20 years ago, in serial revolutionary rejoicing, they ditched communism to put their faith in a capitalism now in crisis and by which they feel betrayed. The result has been the biggest protests across the former communist bloc since the days of people power.

Europe's time of troubles is gathering depth and scale. Governments are trembling. Revolt is in the air.

Athens
Alexandros Grigoropoulos, a 15-year-old middle-class boy going to a party in a rough neighbourhood on a December Saturday, was the first fatality of Europe's season of strife. Shot dead by a policeman, the boy's killing lit a bonfire of unrest in the city unmatched since the 1970s.

There are many wellsprings of the serial protests rolling across Europe. In Athens, it was students and young people who suddenly mobilised to turn parts of the city into no-go areas. They were sick of the lack of jobs and prospects, the failings of the education system and seized with pessimism over their future.

This week it was the farmers' turn, rolling their tractors out to block the motorways, main road and border crossings across the Balkans to try to obtain better procurement prices for their produce.

Riga
The old Baltic trading city had seen nothing like it since the happy days of kicking out the Russians and overthrowing communism two decades ago. More than 10,000 people converged on the 13th-century cathedral to show the Latvian government what they thought of its efforts at containing the economic crisis. The peaceful protest morphed into a late-night rampage as a minority headed for the parliament, battled with riot police and trashed parts of the old city. The following day there were similar scenes in Vilnius, the Lithuanian capital next door.

After Iceland, Latvia looks like the most vulnerable country to be hammered by the financial and economic crisis. The EU and IMF have already mounted a €7.5bn (£6.6bn) rescue plan but the outlook is the worst in Europe.

The biggest bank in the Baltic, Swedbank of Sweden, yesterday predicted a slump this year in Latvia of a whopping 10%, more than double the previous projections. It added that the economy of Estonia would shrink by 7% and of Lithuania by 4.5%.

The Latvian central bank's governor went on national television this week to pronounce the economy "clinically dead. We have only three or four minutes to resuscitate it".

Paris
Burned-out cars, masked youths, smashed shop windows, and more than a million striking workers. The scenes from France are familiar, but not so familiar to President Nicolas Sarkozy, confronting the first big wave of industrial unrest of his time in the Elysée Palace.

Sarkozy has spent most of his time in office trying to fix the world's problems, with less attention devoted to the home front. From Gaza to Georgia, Russia to Washington, Sarkozy has been a man in a hurry to mediate in trouble spots and grab the credit for peacemaking.

France, meanwhile, is moving into recession and unemployment is going up. The latest jobless figures were to have been released yesterday, but were held back, apparently for fear of inflaming the protests.

Budapest
A balance of payments crisis last autumn, heavy indebtedness and a disastrous budget made Hungary the first European candidate for an international rescue. The $26bn (£18bn) IMF-led bail-out shows scant sign of working. Industrial output is at its lowest for 16 years, the national currency - the forint - sank to a record low against the euro yesterday and the government also announced another round of spending cuts yesterday.

So far the streets have been relatively quiet. The Hungarian misery highlights a key difference between eastern and western Europe. While the UK, Germany, France and others plough hundreds of billions into public spending, tax cuts, bank bailouts and guarantees to industry, the east Europeans (plus Iceland and Ireland) are broke, ordering budget cuts, tax rises, and pleading for international help to shore up their economies.

The austerity and the soaring costs of repaying bank loans and mortgages taken out in hard foreign currencies (euro, yen and dollar) are fuelling the misery.

Kiev
The east European upheavals of 1989 hit Ukraine late, maturing into the Orange Revolution on the streets of Kiev only five years ago. The fresh start promised by President Viktor Yushchenko has, though, dissolved into messy, corrupt, and brutal political infighting, with the economy, growing strongly a few years ago, going into freefall.

Three weeks of gas wars with Russia this month ended in defeat and will cost Ukraine dearly. The national currency, at less than half the value of six months ago, is akin to the fate of Iceland's wrecked krona. Ukrainians have been buying dollars by the billion. In November the IMF waded in with the first payments in a $16bn rescue package.

The vicious power struggles between Yushchenko and the prime minister, Yuliya Tymoshenko, are consuming the ruling elite's energy, paralysing government and leaving the economy dysfunctional. Russia is doing its best to keep things that way.

Reykjavik
Proud of its status as one of the world's most developed, most productive and most equal societies, Iceland is in the throes of what is, by its staid standards, a revolution.

Riot police in Reykjavik, the coolest of capitals. Building bonfires in front of the world's oldest parliament. The yoghurt flying at the free market men who have run the country for decades and brought it to its knees.

An openly gay prime minister takes over today as head of a caretaker government. The neocon right has been ditched. The hard left Greens are, at least for the moment, the most popular party in the small Arctic state with a population the size of Bradford.

The IMF's bailout teams have moved in with $11bn. The national currency, the krona, appears to be finished. Iceland is a test case of how one of the most successful societies on the globe suddenly failed.

No Tiz, I am aware of everything you mentioned above. Right now though, i honestly don't care. Don't have any family or loved ones working or living in any of those countries so as selfish or (perhaps aloof) as it may sound, I simply don't care.
 

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its all interconnected in the global economy.....

icelandic people drink coca cola, buy ipods, take health care products from johnson and johnson, and wash their hair with shampoo made by proctor and gamble

which in turn is good for our american companies and helps keep people employed with these companies....

only thing that kept many of our big multinational corporations afloat in early to mid 2008 was international sales was still a growing market....while the US was flattening out or already in a recession......now that international market growth is flattening out or receding....things getting worse
 

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its all interconnected in the global economy.....

icelandic people drink coca cola, buy ipods, take health care products from johnson and johnson, and wash their hair with shampoo made by proctor and gamble

which in turn is good for our american companies and helps keep people employed with these companies....

Iceland isn't the only country buying the above mentioned products. Doubt they're even a blip on the company's accounting sheets if Iceland stopped buying either.
 
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i understand ignore me pointing out one specific country

my point is other countries struggles hurts many of our companies in this day and age
 

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i understand ignore me pointing out one specific country

my point is other countries struggles hurts many of our companies in this day and age

Excellent observation. And when viewed with the shared spiritual perspective that "Every Man is My Brother", we can only be dismissive of other countries' social woes at our own peril.
 

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yeah that's the problem i forsee long term as this all plays out if we once again go down the protectionism us vs. them mentality

WW2 arose outta the rubble of the great depression and all the protectionism, tarriffs, us vs. them, anti business policies during that time fueled the fire for the likes of hitler and the japanese....

japan was stuck on an island and was in desperate need of resources....while hitler arose outta weimer germany printing press collapse.....

after WW2 we made friends with the japs....the global economy expanded...they were able to get all the resources they needed...and became the world's 2nd largest economy and a big trading partner
 

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i understand ignore me pointing out one specific country

my point is other countries struggles hurts many of our companies in this day and age

LOL, i know Tiz. The lsecond half of my comment was just bullshitin around. I completely undertand the effects of the global economy. Thats the state we now live in. My bottom line (1) It's a ludacris statement for anyone to tell us to stop spending domestically (2) It's cowardly that our Senators don't have a backbone to stand up against a whiney comment from the Canadian Trade Minister.

on another note, why the fuck is Niel Cavuto's ass bleeding about the "War On Terror"? I wish Fox would just shut the fuck up already with their fear agenda.
 

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you do realize that alot of the world funds our debt right by buying treasuries?

the only reason we can do all this spending is because people buy the government bonds

its not a straight up "printing press" weimer germany style as many make it out to be......

they aren't saying don't spend domestically they just saying don't put in a clause where you have to buy all the raw goods for all this infrastructure spending from america

plus as fletch says all this does is artificially raise prices and make things more expensive for us at home

steel prices went ballistic after dubya put in the steel protectionism stuff related to china...

how would you like it if somebody said let me go into debt on your dime but with this loan i refuse to buy anything from you....

i doubt you'd like it very much....
 
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What if Germany or England said buy German or English would we make a big deal out of it?... No we would understand because they want to keep their people working & Its no diffrent here all the Countries are going to be looking to protect themselves it's only natural.
 

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government would for sure

its fine for citizens to take their own intiative to buy domestically....

i personally shop locally as i like to stimulate my local economy and small businesses rather than shopping at walmart and such

the problem arises when you start putting all these clauses in on a global scale....

it leads to trade wars...which can eventually lead to real wars....

most wars (well the big ones like WW2) arise due to economics and global governments getting in the way of free markets
 
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Doubt I'd even blink.

The difference is we owe the UK almost 1/2 trillion dollars, China almost a trillion ect,. How do you think we are going to refinance our debt , if we start fucking our creditors?
 

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