Players union received not one, but multiple complaints, the nasty anonymous kind, about Tough Tom's voluteer training camp. Why am I not surprised. That crap wore real thin in Jax, players just gave up on it. I am dropping my O/U to 5 1/2 U25. Still no vet QB, in real trouble there. They might match last years 4 games, but I doubt it. Best Wishes...OF
Expect to see Kurt Warner after June 1st in NYC. Is he the short term answer? Only time will tell. As far as players bitching about mini-camp goes, its strickly a tempest in a teapot. Come July the whole team will be together, and behind Caughlin. Giants team wins at OLY - 7 under -220.
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wil.
I guess not many remember when Bill Parcells walked into Dallas last year and takes the stars off the players’ helmets, requiring that said stars be earned, and EVERYONE drinks the Kool-Aid. Parcells and Caughlin are both from the Vince Lombardi no-nonsense, my-way or the highway school of coaching football. TC is the new sheriff in town, and not getting paid to be popular with the whole tri-state area (Fassel's biggest mistake). This Giant team quit on Fassel last year, they will not do the same to Caughlin win or lose.
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wil.
We always have fun with this one will. Disgruntled vets was my first gloom and doom prediction. If it made it to the players union, from multiple sources, it is indeed a tempest, but in the locker room. No starting QB, behind a sieve like line. Warner? Arena ball, indoor Kurt. Acorsi can't be blind, his team exposed what was left of Kurt. Plus any backup that tells a coach that asked him to go in, keep the other guy in, is not a QB on my team. 7 un -220 would convert to what un 5 1/2? Redskins look to making a lot of good moves also. No greivances filed from there. Giants fans remember what it was like to get to the Super Bowl, it will be a long time til next time. Tough Tom is not the answer. Best wishes...OF
Lucky to match last year's 4 win season.
Lucky to match last year's 4 win season.
I would like to inform these crybaby football players that there are many steel mills and plenty of coal mines that need attention if they cannot handle the NFL. I would also like to let them know there are plenty of undrafted atletes who would love to have their lifestyles and would love to go thru training camp.
Wil, I know Bill Parcells and Tough Tom Coughlin is no Bill Parcells. Quick ring check, oops, Tom has none. How about getting a chance for a ring, still none. 8 years? Players respect Parcells, Gibbs because they have walked the walk. Tough Tom is all blustery talk. With some unhappy vets in the locker room. And no starting QB. And a disaster for a offense line. A tb that loses the handle in a stiff Meadowland breeze. I put these duds right next to West Coast dud 49ers. Any good free agents? Made a lot of money on the Giants in my career, betting on them. Now I am fading them. Bottom falls out this year. Best Wishes...OF
OF - best of luck, its your money. Lay the chalk betting against them, not a problem for me. Nothing I can say will change the way you think, but fwiw. I have a little knowledge re. TC and his history. It will be months before anything will be decided, if you are still around this forum during the NFL season we can carry on this discussion then.
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wil.
Gene Upshaw, the executive director of the N.F.L. players union, said yesterday that an investigation of the Giants' workout regimen under Coach Tom Coughlin would include a review of practice film to determine if the Giants had violated the collective bargaining agreement by keeping players at the team's practice facility for longer than allowed.
"We don't have all of the evidence," Upshaw said in a telephone interview, "but when players call me, I have a duty to investigate."
Several Giants called Upshaw last week to complain about Coughlin's program. On Friday, union assistants met with Giants players during a regularly scheduled meeting to introduce rookies to the union and its rules (Upshaw said he did not attend).
Upshaw, who did not indicate how long the investigation would last, said if the union determined that the Giants violated the collective bargaining agreement, the union could file a grievance with Harold Henderson, the chairman of the N.F.L. management council.
If Henderson agrees a violation occurred, the Giants can lose a week of practice time, Upshaw said. If Henderson disagrees, an arbitrator will determine the outcome.
Last year, the St. Louis Rams forfeited a week of organized workouts after the union and the management council determined that the Rams held a drill on a day not designated for team activity.
Upshaw denied a report that he was out to get Coughlin, who has gained a reputation as a taskmaster.
"What's taking place is not about getting him," Upshaw said of Coughlin. "We want to look at what's taking place. In our last extension of the collective bargaining agreement, we negotiated a set of rules on what teams can and cannot do, how long they can be there, certain activities. At this point, all we can do is get all of the evidence. I'm not prejudging anything."
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"We don't have all of the evidence," Upshaw said in a telephone interview, "but when players call me, I have a duty to investigate."
Several Giants called Upshaw last week to complain about Coughlin's program. On Friday, union assistants met with Giants players during a regularly scheduled meeting to introduce rookies to the union and its rules (Upshaw said he did not attend).
Upshaw, who did not indicate how long the investigation would last, said if the union determined that the Giants violated the collective bargaining agreement, the union could file a grievance with Harold Henderson, the chairman of the N.F.L. management council.
If Henderson agrees a violation occurred, the Giants can lose a week of practice time, Upshaw said. If Henderson disagrees, an arbitrator will determine the outcome.
Last year, the St. Louis Rams forfeited a week of organized workouts after the union and the management council determined that the Rams held a drill on a day not designated for team activity.
Upshaw denied a report that he was out to get Coughlin, who has gained a reputation as a taskmaster.
"What's taking place is not about getting him," Upshaw said of Coughlin. "We want to look at what's taking place. In our last extension of the collective bargaining agreement, we negotiated a set of rules on what teams can and cannot do, how long they can be there, certain activities. At this point, all we can do is get all of the evidence. I'm not prejudging anything."
http://www.nytimes.com
Too bad there was not a line for Too Tough Tom to overwork vets. Would have cashed the yes. How many free agents want to play for this guy? Worked at BC Tom, but this is the NFL, you will lose this team. Time to clean house of those vets who ratted Tom out. Who are they? This is going to be good...OF
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
This Giant team quit on Fassel last year, they will not do the same to Caughlin win or lose.
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Wil-
I hope you are right but here are a few thoughts:
1) The vets on this team are a bunch of pu$$ies. They are not mentally tough and the lockerroom is in shambles. Kerry managed to garner a ton of respect from his teammates and now that he's gone the team questions the decisions management has made.
2) Rebuilding: Unlike many NY fans I don't mind a rebuilding year or two. The problem is that the Giants could easily have a record that indicates a rebuilding year if they start Eli but continue to have an aging and expensive squad.
TC and Strahan (pretty much the voice of all vets) have indicated that they are not interested in "rebuilding."
3) You nailed it...this team quit on Fassel. So far there have been NO indications that they will PLAY for TC.
Strahan and Barber run the team and they have made it fairly clear that folks are not happy about the workouts. TC needs to get these guys on board and fast. Parcells can take the 2x4 approach but TC does not have that level of RESPECT in the league in any way shape or form.
I'm not doubting you b/c I don't know much about TC other than what I've read about how he pretty much lost his team near the end. I hope you are right.
Unfortunately, based on what I see/read, I'm preparing for a bad season UNLESS the team changes it's strategy OR Eli is the second coming of Mario.
This Giant team quit on Fassel last year, they will not do the same to Caughlin win or lose.
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Wil-
I hope you are right but here are a few thoughts:
1) The vets on this team are a bunch of pu$$ies. They are not mentally tough and the lockerroom is in shambles. Kerry managed to garner a ton of respect from his teammates and now that he's gone the team questions the decisions management has made.
2) Rebuilding: Unlike many NY fans I don't mind a rebuilding year or two. The problem is that the Giants could easily have a record that indicates a rebuilding year if they start Eli but continue to have an aging and expensive squad.
TC and Strahan (pretty much the voice of all vets) have indicated that they are not interested in "rebuilding."
3) You nailed it...this team quit on Fassel. So far there have been NO indications that they will PLAY for TC.
Strahan and Barber run the team and they have made it fairly clear that folks are not happy about the workouts. TC needs to get these guys on board and fast. Parcells can take the 2x4 approach but TC does not have that level of RESPECT in the league in any way shape or form.
I'm not doubting you b/c I don't know much about TC other than what I've read about how he pretty much lost his team near the end. I hope you are right.
Unfortunately, based on what I see/read, I'm preparing for a bad season UNLESS the team changes it's strategy OR Eli is the second coming of Mario.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
LMAO - Peter King just reported on ESPN's Pardon the Interuption show that the beef Giant players have against new coach Tom Caughlin is one mandatory team breakfast, and a practice that ran almost 15 minutes late.
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Geez....I hate hearing this more than you can imagine. If this is true, these guys define pu$$y.
Strahan is actually a reasonable guy...it must kill him that he has to represent guys that would complain about that crap.
LMAO - Peter King just reported on ESPN's Pardon the Interuption show that the beef Giant players have against new coach Tom Caughlin is one mandatory team breakfast, and a practice that ran almost 15 minutes late.
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Geez....I hate hearing this more than you can imagine. If this is true, these guys define pu$$y.
Strahan is actually a reasonable guy...it must kill him that he has to represent guys that would complain about that crap.
