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Boxed In: Battle Rages Over TV Fee

by Sarah Lyall
The New York Times

U.K. agency pursues 'telly' license scofflaws

MILTON, England In Paul Oldham's bathroom is a cartoon that sums up his attitude toward the role of television in modern life. It shows a couple slumped together in their living room, staring at a beaten-up old supermarket carton. The caption reads: "Let's stay in and watch the box tonight."

A 44-year-old Web site designer, Oldham is not now and never plans to be a member of the television-owning public, having given it up in exasperation when "Inspector Morse" went into reruns. But for more than a decade he has been enmeshed in a bizarre pas de deux with the agency that polices television ownership in Britain, and that seems intent on proving him a liar.

No matter how much Oldham protests, he said, stern letters come inexorably in the mail, informing him (in case he has forgotten) that he has not paid the £121, or $233, BBC license fee required annually of every owner of a "telly." If indeed he is found to be harboring a television illegally, they remind him, he could be fined £1,000 or wind up in jail.

"They really are quite odious letters," Oldham said. "They work on the assumption that you are a criminal."

Each time, Oldham writes back to declare that he has no TV. But in its most recent notice, the agency told him that he should be prepared to prove it to the enforcement division, whose officers planned to drop by for a little television-hunting expedition at his house.

While not commenting on Oldham's case, Chris Reed, a spokesman for the agency, called TV Licensing, outlined its general policy.

"We wish we could believe everyone who tells us they have no TV," he said. "But unfortunately, last year just under half the people who claimed not to have one were found to be using one, and therefore needed a license, when we checked the premises."

License fees date from the 1920s, when the British Broadcasting Corp. charged its first customers 50 pence a year for the privilege of owning a radio. For decades, the BBC was a monopoly and the fee - expanded to include television in 1946 - was easy to justify.

But the broadcasting landscape has expanded beyond all expectation. BBC television has now been joined by hundreds of commercial stations that compete for advertising and viewers but do not receive a share of the license fee. The government has pledged to keep the current system in place when the BBC's charter is renewed in 2006.

The fee is very much a part of British life. It is a criminal offense for anyone with a television set not to pay it, whether they watch the BBC or not. Fee-evasion cases make up 12 percent of the caseload in magistrates' courts. Although most evaders are fined, 20 people were imprisoned for nonpayment last year.

The BBC took in £3.9 billion from the fee in 1993, but 5.7 percent of television owners still failed to pay. TV Licensing regularly carries out campaigns to warn them about the consequences of inaction that say, for instance, "Get one or get done" - "getting done" being slang for getting caught.

Enforcement officers visit homes and businesses about 3 million times a year. They have a variety of weapons at hand, including a law that requires retailers to notify the government whenever someone buys a television; a database with TV-owning information about 28 million Britons; and specially equipped vans and hand-held devices that can detect unlawful television-watching.

The final step is a home visit, whose purpose, Reed said, is "to identify genuine non-users of television so that we can minimize future contact with them." Homeowners are not obliged to let the agents in, but the agents can get search warrants if there is sufficient evidence of television viewing. Every day, more than 1,000 people - 380,000 in 2003 - are caught watching television without a license.

But in its enthusiastic execution of its appointed task, the agency can sometimes be overzealous. It often seems unable to recognize the distinction between shirkers and non-television-watchers, like 28-year-old Graham Smith, from Southampton.

Like Roald Dahl's Matilda, Smith was traumatized by a childhood in which the television was never off; his family had four people and five televisions.

"We used to joke that one of the TVs was like a dog," he said.

But Smith's decision some years ago to renounce television ("At first it was like a withdrawal from drugs," he said) did not persuade the licensing agency, which began exhorting him to pay the television fee shortly after he moved into his house several years ago. At one point, he was getting a letter every couple of weeks - up to 30 in 10 months, he said.

"After about four or five months, my partner caved in a bit and sent four of the notices back, saying that we didn't have a TV," Smith said. "But strangely enough, they kept coming and coming." He began throwing the letters in the garbage, only to receive an "official warning" of a home visit in a much sterner tone, containing alarming allusions to legal activity and potential prosecution.

When Smith complained, the licensing authority apologized - then sent him another warning a few days later.

"I can understand why they want to ensure the maximum number of people possible have a license," Smith said, "but I don't see why I should be essentially persecuted for not having a television."
 
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Its just an auto letter pumped out by a computer.

When I was a student years ago I had a black and white tv to save cash, it was about £100 a year cheaper than a colour tv licence.
(£100 beer money!)

I got lots of these 'reminders' and just ignored them.

When they turned up to check on me I showed them my old telly and they looked around the other main rooms and were gone in 2-3 mins.

Alternatively, you can tell them to feck-off and they get a warrant.

The people that do it are quite pragmatic, like baliffs.
Any fear is in your own mind.

-Unless you have a room full of missiles and machine guns in your house, then it might be a bit awkward.
 

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You can buy a TV new on the shelf for less than the USD equivalent of GBP 100 ... and "years ago" this was the annual tax on owning a TV?

I understand that you are in favour of all taxes except those which simply are not high enough. Putting that aside, do you not feel that the particular case of Mr. Oldham is extreme to say the very least?


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I don't understand. Does the BBC not make money from advertising revenue? What about all the other stations? Do they get a portion of this fee or does it all just go to the BBC?

Very strange. Any other country have this??
 

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According to a Brit at another forum, no private company gets a share of the TV tax -- only BBC.

Germany and Japan have a similar ones -- the German one runs around $ 300.00 a year, which is astounding -- and New Zealand used to, before the bright little Kiwis simply collectively told the state to go f itself, leading the state to finally just drop it in 1999.


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Well, we have the CBC, which as you know is publicly owned. They receive funding from the gov't I presume, but otherwise they advertise and collect donations like the rest of them. I can't imagine getting a bill for a station I rarely watch.

Completely bizarre.
 
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Phaedrus said:
According to a Brit at another forum, no private company gets a share of the TV tax -- only BBC.

I wonder if an international station would be able to make a case against this practice at the WTO? It upsets the competitive balance, after all, and favours only one station, backed up and enforced by the state.
 
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As we all know kiddies, private TV stations never get into any conflict with their host Government, its an...erm...conflict of interest for profits and future opportunities to fleece the host nation.

The BBC does not have this problem, which is why it keeps running headlong into conflicts with the UK government.

The money also goes into stuff like digital TV
(we have free terrestrial digi TV here, courtesy of the BBC)

A lot also goes into overseas stuff like the BBC world service, who also collect and translate foreign transmissions.

So if you're in the jungle with a shortwave battery operated tranny you can stay up to date via the BBC shortwave service.
Or if you're on a hillside shortly after a Tsunami hit...

When Saigon was disintegrating, guess which radio service the yanks and others were tuning-in to find out what the fook was going on?
(And it sure as hell wasn't the Voice of America.
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The BBC is also a handy tool for preventing the complete McDonaldsisation of the UK TV network.
 
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Well, we have the CBC, which as you know is publicly owned. They receive funding from the gov't I presume, but otherwise they advertise and collect donations like the rest of them. I can't imagine getting a bill for a station I rarely watch.

Completely bizarre.
xpanda, it's an anachronism.

I believe the BBC started transmissions in 1921 and at that time a license to operate a receiver seemed reasonable, after all you needed a license to operate a transmitter/receiver.

In today's broadcast environment it acts more like a general tax imposed by a government that is unwilling to generate the political capital by doing away with the fee and financing solely from general revenue.

I understand the BBC has absolutely no advertising, which makes it a pleasure to watch, especially drama.
 
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If you record three hours of "Discovery Channel"

ONE FUKKING HOUR is adverts.
Sky One is the same.

adverts adverts adverts adverts

The BBC has none. Nada. Zip. Buggerall.

Its luuvly.

And it costs about £120 per year

http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/
 
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Excepting the news, sports and history channels, I can't stand the crap they put on TV.

I hate PBS and I'd foment revolution before I'd pay a penny to that bunch of left wing cuckoos. (Thank you founding fathers for all of your wisdom in creating the second amendment!)

A question - what if you have a tv and just watch VHS and DVD movies - do you still have to pay this foolish tax?

Lastly, I'd have a real problem with such an entity getting my tax dollars and broadcasting whatever it wants. I'd think such a process would be considered taxation without representation.

And you talk about the USA?:money8:
 

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You blow my mind mate.

If Discovery Channel could force every Briton with a telly to fork over GBP120 per year, there would also be no adverts on that channel either, you idiot. How can you possibly not see that?

From the linked article:

The BBC took in £3.9 billion from the fee in 1993 ...
That is nearly 20% of the total revenue of Time Warner at its height (see here.) Not just its TV stuff, but the whole bloodyhuge conglomerate. BBC steals an amount of money equivalent to 20% of the total revenue of the largest media company in the world.

And make no mistake about it -- it's theft. You might not mind paying two hundred bucks a year for BBC, but if you had to pay an accurate price reflected by Brits having the choice whether or not to pay it, you might well find yourself in Mr. Oldham's shoes.

BTW, you have made several posts while conveniently ignoring my simple and direct question: do you not agree that Mr. Oldham's case in particular seems a bit extreme?


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How do Britons receive their tv transmissions? Surely they've advanced from the days of aeriel television and rabbit ears? Why not tie the BBC 'tax' into the cable bill? At least then you wouldn't be targetting people who don't watch tv, and, like blight pointed out, you could have a tv for movie-watching purposes only..
 
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Phaedrus and xpanda - haven't you ever heard of cronyism? Where are the MPs going to get all their relatives and supporters good paying jobs if the BBC goes away?

Christ, I hope the Massachusetts pols don't get ahold of this one - the big dig would like like penny ante after they finished!
 
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Dont worry BB, one pissy US state couldn't create a BBC.
Not a cat in hells chance.
Its a unique British institution now.

X.
The BBC is on all media delivery systems.

If we get rid of it, this would leave important News and current affairs stuff soley in the hands of Rupert Murdoch and the likes....yikes.
His SKY stuff costs about £360 a year here BTW.
(and as I said, three hours viewing = 2 hours viewing + 1 hour adverts. Which personally speaking I seriously detest)
If I really want to watch something on SKY I video it and watch it the next day so I can skip the incessant adverts.

Phaedrus, his case isn't even slightly unique.
Its par for the course if you choose to butt heads with the BBC.
They can hassle you, but they can't touch you.
 

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I should think it fairly obvious that he is not trying to "butt heads" with the BBC ... he wants the BBC to leave him the hell alone.

Do you understand that if Discover charged all television owners in the UK GBP120 per year, that there would be no adverts?

Did you know that BBC America is absolutely plagued with adverts, just like most other stations here (but not the pay ones?) Can you see then that the BBC not having advertisements have nothing to do with it being "above filthy lucre," but the result of the fact that it is buried chin deep in filthy lucre? Filthy, stolen lucre at that, unlike advertising dollars which are honestly-earned funds willingly allocated?

Isn't the advertising model more agreeable to your general lines of thinking anyway? Huge, profit-soaked corporations from around the world foot the bill for billions of people to have free television.

Did you know that six out of the ten largest media companies in the world are not American?

Don't you think it's sort of a non sequitor to counter the ludicrous idea of a man with no television being ardently pursued to pay his television tax with "American channels have commercials?"

Would you be willing to pay a larger fee for your BBC if only people who actually used it were required to pay for it?

Sorry for all the questions; just a surprising number of points of interest for a short random story.


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Why would eliminating this tax be the end of the BBC? Is it so low in the ratings that it couldn't generate advertising revenue? Our CBC has commercials. Not a big deal. In Canada, we call them pee breaks.
 
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Its a unique institution P and thats all there is to it.
The BBC is an integral part of our culture.

I don't know what you have to compare with it, if anything.
Have you got any non-profitable culture worth a crap?

The Smithsonian?


X.
The BBC is a public service broadcaster not a private company , it has responsibilities that the McDonalds broadcasters ignore.
For example: The Open University uses the BBC
http://www.open2.net/tvschedule.html


An overview
(which has a fair amount of stuff but omits any reference to the terrestrial digital network or the Open University....)
The BBC is a huge entity.
http://www.ketupa.net/bbc.htm
 
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The original private pay-tv terrestrial digital network went bust in 2002.

The BBC version has 30 TV channels and 20 Radio stations
http://www.freeview.co.uk/aboutus/

The Government wants 100% digital TVs by 2012 and the BBC is the vehicle for that.
The analogue TV signal is being switched off around 2012.

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IMO
A terrestrial Digital network will be the backbone for proper high speed wireless internet access in the next 10 years.

http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/July2003/5622.htm
 
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X.
The BBC is a public service broadcaster not a private company , it has responsibilities that the McDonalds broadcasters ignore.
For example: The Open University uses the BBC
http://www.open2.net/tvschedule.html
As is the CBC; publicly funded, also. They do solicit for donations (I received a mailer a couple of days ago) but it's all voluntary (save for the gov't funding, which the BBC also receives.)

BBC Canada shows commercials, you know, and I still watch it with regularity. I like the accents. :>Grin>
 

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