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Shays Says DeLay Should Step Down
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Rep. Christopher Shays said Sunday that fellow Republican Rep. Tom DeLay should step down as House majority leader because his continuing ethics problems are hurting the GOP.

"Tom's conduct is hurting the Republican Party, is hurting this Republican majority and it is hurting any Republican who is up for re-election," Shays told The Associated Press on Sunday.

DeLay, R-Texas, has been dogged in recent months by reports of possible ethics violations. There have been questions about his overseas travel, campaign payments to family members and his connections to lobbyists who are under investigation.

A moderate Republican from Connecticut who has battled with his party's leadership on a number of issues, Shays said efforts by the House GOP members to change ethics rules to protect DeLay only make the party look bad.

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Rick Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate, said Sunday that DeLay needs to answer questions about his ethics.

"I think he has to come forward and lay out what he did and why he did it and let the people then judge for themselves," Santorum told ABC's "This Week.""But from everything I've heard, again, from the comments and responding to those, is everything he's done was according to the law.

"Now you may not like some of the things he's done," said Santorum, who is up for re-election next year in Pennsylvania. "That's for the people of his district to decide, whether they want to approve that kind of behavior or not."

DeLay's spokesman, Dan Allen, told The Associated Press on Sunday that the congressman "looks forward to the opportunity of sitting down with the ethics committee chairman and ranking member to get the facts out and to dispel the fiction and innuendo that's being launched at him by House Democrats and their liberal allies."

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House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said last week that the controversy was distracting DeLay from dealing with more pressing problems before Congress.

Santorum, however, said DeLay is "very effective in leading the House" and "to date, has not been compromised."

A senior Democratic senator, Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, had this advice for the Republicans who control both the House and Senate: "Be careful about how closely you embrace Mr. DeLay."

Dodd cited the new rules for the ethics committee that House Republicans rammed through in the wake of DeLay's difficulties. Those rules require a bipartisan vote before an investigation can be launched. DeLay's office also helped mount a counterattack last fall against Rep. Joel Hefley, R-Colo., who was the ethics committee chairman when it came down against DeLay.

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DeLay "becomes the poster child for a lot of the things the Democrats think are wrong about Republican leadership. As long as he's there, he's going to become a pretty good target," Dodd said on ABC.

DeLay, who took center stage in passing legislation designed to keep alive Terri Schiavo, also has found that President Bush and congressional colleagues are distancing themselves from his comments, after her death, about the judges involved in her case.

"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior," DeLay said, raising the prospect of impeaching members of a separate and independent branch of government. Later, he complained of "an arrogant and out of control judiciary that thumbs its nose at Congress and the president."

Bush, declining to endorse DeLay's comments, said Friday that he supports "an independent judiciary." He added, "I believe in proper checks and balances."

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee said last week that the judges "handled it in a fair and independent way," although he had hoped for a different result.

Democrats have said DeLay's remarks were tantamount to inciting violence against judges.

--- Associated Press Writers Lolita C. Baldor and Suzanne Gamboa contributed to this report

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So, Doc...

Can you name one formal charge that has been brought up against DeLay? Can you even tell me in your own words why he should resign?

Surely the motivation of those on the left who want TD to resign can't be purely political...can they?
 
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Love it ....

Lets see .. lets continue to deny any problems in Iraq .. any connection to Enron or Halliburton ... any problems with Social Security ...

BUT NO PROBLEMS spending 48 million of taxpayers dollars via Kenneth Starr to see if Clinton had Oral sex????
 
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We have REPUBLICANS asking this scumbag to resign ...

Deuce, hello??? THAT IS REPUBLICANS asking this scumbag to resign!!
 

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doc mercer said:
We have REPUBLICANS asking this scumbag to resign ...

Deuce, hello??? THAT IS REPUBLICANS asking this scumbag to resign!!

Doc, name the Republicans "asking the scumbag to resign"...your article only gives us Chris Shays (hardly someone that speaks for the mainstream Republican Party).

Seriously dude...your ignorance of recent history regarding House scandels is breathtaking. How many GOPers asked Gingrich to resign in 1998? How many told Bob Livingstone not to run for Speaker after his sex history was uncovered? How many Democrats turned against Jim Wright in 1988?

When a few more than ONE GOPer in the House comes out against Delay, then you may have your scalp. Until then you kooks are simply showing off your hysteria.
 
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keep up the good fight!!! The Republicans have become a joke for what they "stand for"
 

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[font=arial, helvetica][font=arial,helvetica]NY Times' Bid to Enlist GOP Attacks Called 'Beyond the Pale'[/font]


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Tuesday, April 12, 2005
The New York Times' attempt to get a former high-ranking Republican congressman to write a commentary critical of the current U.S. House majority leader is not the first time the newspaper has sought to create dissension among Republicans.


Former U.S. Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger had a similar opportunity presented to him by the Times in 2003, but he turned down the chance to write a commentary criticizing President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq.

The newspaper's recent bid was directed at former Louisiana Congressman Bob Livingston, who was asked to write a column critical of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas.


DeLay, who is outranked only by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, contends that he is the target of a smear campaign orchestrated by members of the establishment media, including the Times and the Washington Post, and by liberal groups who want to see him run out of office.

DeLay has been attacked for trips he took that may have been financed by lobbyists and for his decision to keep his wife and daughter on the payroll of his political action committee.

On Monday, syndicated columnist Robert Novak reported that Livingston, who in 1998 was about to be elected speaker of the House until his admitted marital infidelity ruined those plans, was contacted on March 24 through an email sent by New York Times editorial page staffer Tobin Harshaw.

Livingston indicated through his aide Chris Terrell that any op-ed he would write would be supportive of DeLay, prompting Harshaw to respond: "We are seeking those who would go on the record or state for the good of the party he [DeLay] should step aside," reported Novak in his April 11 column.

The New York Times has refused to respond to the specific circumstances regarding Livingston, telling Novak that they do not comment on "assignments, written or unwritten."

But Dan Allen, DeLay's director of communication, told Cybercast News Service on Monday that the New York Times' behavior, as reported by Novak, was "beyond the pale.

"It seems that the New York Times, especially the editorial page, is looking to push an agenda here," Allen said, referring to it as "op-ed shopping."

The Times reportedly also solicited an op-ed in March of 2003 from Eagleburger, the former secretary of state in 1992 under President George H. W. Bush.

Eagleburger told Fox News Channel's "Hannity and Colmes" on April 2, 2003 that there "are some who want this (the George W. Bush) administration to look bad."

"...I was approached by The New York Times to write an op-ed piece," Eagleburger said. "To make it very short, when I talked to them about it, I was told what we want is criticism of the administration," he explained. "Right out! Flat out! [The New York Times] told me we want criticism of the administration. Needless to say, I did not write the op-ed piece," Eagleburger said.

Allen said the New York Times is publishing old news about his boss.

"The New York Times is putting stuff on the front page that was written about in May of 2003 -- same exact story -- there was nothing new there. They are singling out Tom DeLay instead of focusing on the fact that there is nothing illegal about having a family member on a campaign payroll and the fact that a lot of Democrats do the exact same thing. Yet the New York Times would not put that on the front page of their paper," Allen said.

Clay Waters, director of Times Watch, a conservative media watchdog group that monitors the New York Times, told Cybercast News Service that if the newspaper's op-ed staff "really did try to make news instead of providing opinion on the news, then it clearly crossed a line. "It would match a pattern that Times Watch has noted in the paper's news reporting on the DeLay ethical investigations, where they've tried to imply this growing queasiness in Republican ranks about DeLay that really isn't there yet," Waters said.

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I dont undertsand why he hasnt steped down on his own already?

And why are people defending him when you have republicans that think he is a POS? Did you check with Bush for that first?
 

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The Real Story Behind the Attacks on Tom DeLay
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Thursday, April 7, 2005
Here are some predictions. They are dead certainties.


1. Night will follow day.




2. Average temperatures in Florida will exceed those in Alaska – which, by the way, has nothing to do with the phony trumped-up alarm over "global warming."



3. After a steady drumbeat of leftist attacks on House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (aided and abetted by the media), you will suddenly read about push "polls," whose purpose will be to see how effective the organized smear job has been. And sure enough, the charts will show the wolf pack has done its job. DeLay's "public approval" ratings will point downward.



Unless ... conservatives fight back.



This is the way the powers of the liberal establishment trashed Newt Gingrich. They would have done the same thing to DeLay long ago, except that DeLay has been more effective in selecting his fights and deciding when to speak out and when to work behind the scenes. Newt had to have an opinion on everything and share it with the world, day in and day out.



Since then, they've tried the same demonizing tactic on Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and President Bush himself. Those efforts flopped.



Now the liberal playbook – and you can be sure there is one – has decreed that the time has come to run down Tom DeLay. The straw that broke the proverbial camel's back, it seems, was his leadership in the congressional effort to save Terri Schiavo.



The majority leader has said he will ask the House Judiciary Committee to undertake a broad review of the courts' disgraceful handling of the Schiavo case.



He said that "the time has come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior" and that Congress should "look at an arrogant, out-of-control, unaccountable judiciary that thumbed their nose at Congress and the president."



Imagine that. The very idea that judges should be accountable to the elected representatives of the taxpayers who foot the bill for judges' salaries. What a bizarre idea. Why, it's an outrage!



Predictably, the howls from the wolf pack have already started.



First out of the gate was Senator Frank Lautenberg, a Democrat from New Jersey.



"Threats against specific federal judges are not only a serious crime, but also beneath a member of Congress," he thundered. (Translation: Here is my reasoned answer to your facts. Shut up.) The Garden State senator went on, "Your attempt to intimidate judges in America not only threatens our courts, but our fundamental democracy as well."



Democrats in the Senate have been calling President Bush's judicial nominees – sitting judges on lower federal courts or state courts – every name in the book. But of course, that's OK and the liberal media do not go out of their way to call attention to that "intimidation."



Given that leftist interests have been ramming through the courts of unelected judges anything they could not get through the democratic process of the elected lawmakers or executives answerable to the voters, why should anyone be surprised? After all, in their world of the double standard, "democracy" is defined as left-leaning judges inventing their own laws for the convenience of liberal politicians.



Senator Lautenberg has firsthand experience with that. In 2002, the New Jersey Supreme Court stepped in and, in violation of the plainly written New Jersey law, saw fit to put Mr. Lautenberg on the ballot after the Democratic candidate, the scandal-ridden Senate incumbent, Bob Torricelli, dropped out.



In the "get DeLay" hysteria, Senator Ted Kennedy chimed in, wringing his hands and saying that "at a time when emotions are running high, Mr. DeLay needs to make it clear [in criticizing judges] that he is not advocating any violence against anyone."



What a cheap shot that is. It would be just as logical to say that every time Senator Kennedy sits down at the wheel of an automobile, he needs to issue a press release that would "make it clear" that he has no intention of drowning a woman.



Now comes word that Democrats and a richly financed liberal group are planning an organized smear campaign aimed at discrediting the Texan.



The old Marxist playbook says if you can't defeat your effective adversary on substantive issues, assassinate him. In this case, the tactic is character assassination. After all, poisoned umbrellas are not available on every street corner.



House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has prodded the House Ethics Committee to launch an investigation of charges against her counterpart, Majority Leader DeLay.

Morton Blackwell, president of the Leadership Institute, has said: "I know personally that Tom DeLay is almost obsessively careful to get good legal advice before he takes any step which might conceivably be questioned under the law or suspected as an infraction of House rules. None of the leftist uproar has contained any evidence he has done anything illegal or violated House rules." People who really know Morton Blackwell will tell you that you can take that to the bank.



Pelosi – thought to be working behind the scenes to get DeLay into hot water – was front-paged in the Washington Times April 5 as having secured $3 million last year for a non-profit transportation research organization whose president gave money to her political action committee as the group was paying for a European trip for one of her policy advisers. That may not be illegal, but it doesn't look good. Ms. Pelosi, who lives in a glass house, should be careful about throwing rocks.



Let us examine the people behind the anti-DeLay effort.



A group calling itself the Campaign for America's Future, which the Washington Post says is "backed by labor and other leaders," is featuring DeLay in television ads in at least four Republican House districts and in DeLay's suburban Houston district, dredging up the old discredited charges against the majority leader.



Who runs the Campaign for America's Future?



Its co-director is listed as Robert Borosage, a man with a considerable paper trail.



In the 1987 book "Covert Cadre," author Steven Powell takes over 350 pages to give us a look "Inside the Institute for Policy Studies [IPS]," of which Borosage was then director. The think tank here in Washington has served as a magnet for just about every stripe of leftist you can imagine.



In one instance, he and Saul Landau, a senior fellow, visited Nicaragua and Cuba and afterward "were hosted by Thomas Borge, the Cuban-trained internal security administrator." Borosage told an IPS gathering that one reason for the trip was to "encourage European aid to Nicaragua to keep it from being isolated economically and politically." This was at a time when U.S. policy under the Reagan administration was to oppose the pro-Marxist Castro-aligned Nicaraguan government of Daniel Ortega.



In a 1983 interview with the author, Borosage said it was his hope to "move the Democratic Party to the left by creating an invisible presence in the party."



In 1977, Borosage and Morton Halperin cooperated with the ultra-leftist National Lawyers Guild to form what ultimately became the Campaign for Political Rights. This apparently was set up to help coordinate litigation through which in 1979 the IPS "gained access to the entire FBI file on the institute," and obtained an out-of-court settlement "providing immunity from past or present FBI monitoring, and most important, a blanket prohibition of any future intelligence gathering by the FBI or any other government agency." As Powell puts it, this allowed "IPS to provide a safe house for revolutionary activists at headquarters in Washington, D.C."



Bear in mind this was during the hysteria of the post-Watergate late '70s, when virtually any effort to conduct intelligence operations against America's enemies was considered heinous. This was the era of the Church committee hearings, which weakened our intelligence, the result of which became dramatically evident on 9/11.



The shah of Iran "was no fool," says author Powell. According to an annual IPS report, the shah pointed the finger directly at the Washington-based IPS as playing an important role in his downfall "and in the triumph of anti-western fanatics," which of course ultimately led the capture of American hostages in the U.S. Embassy in Iran. Of the approximately 90 people inside the facility, 52 were held captive for 444 days.



Powell's book contains a forward by David Horowitz (today the president of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), who in 1987 wrote of the IPS: "Publicly they claim to be progressive participants in the democratic process. But like the leftist progressives of the past, their liberalism and pacifism are not political commitments. They are deadly weapons with which to lay siege to democracy's defenses to cripple its resistance to totalitarian advance."



Among the other groups active in the "get DeLay" movement is Ralph Nader's Public Citizen, whose Craig Holman attended a meeting of a coalition of liberal groups on Capitol Hill and was given the responsibility of finding a member of Congress to file a complaint against DeLay – according to the Chicago Tribune for June 15, 2004.



Ultimately, then-Rep. Chris Bell, a freshman Texas Democrat who lost his seat in Congress due to DeLay's success in a redistricting effort in the Lone Star State, did file a complaint against the majority leader. The move backfired. The House Ethics Committee in November found Bell in direct violation of House rules for his part in a premeditated partisan campaign to undermine the majority and the integrity of the House.



As DeLay was able to pronounce at a press conference November 19, Bell was found in violation of nine counts of rule violations and his complaint contained "inflammatory language, exaggerated charges, and serious misstatements of both fact and law."



Republicans are not sitting idly by while their House majority leader is trashed. According to The Hill newspaper for March 23, the House GOP issued research showing that the groups taking on DeLay are amply funded by billionaire George Soros – who spent millions trying to defeat President Bush last year – and that members of these groups' boards have contributed "tens of thousands of dollars to Democratic candidates and political organizations and several of their staff members have previously worked for Democrats."



There's more – much more. And we intend to keep an eye on it. Meanwhile, you can help stem the tide of this partisan political/media/think tank hit job by reminding Republican congressmen from your state to stand firm for DeLay.



As Morton Blackwell puts it: "Please don't get bogged down answering the absurd, groundless attacks. The left can and will raise phony new issues faster than you can respond to the old ones. Congressman DeLay has fully and publicly dealt with these false or nit-picky issues." Better to put the spotlight on his ill-motivated attackers.
 

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Common Cause has some choice DeLay quotes, circa late 80's, early 90s.



From 1989: H.R. 3660, the Government Ethics Reform Act, will strengthen and clarify existing House rules. Issues such as the ban on congressional honoraria, limits on gifts and travel, increased financial disclosure, restrictions on outside income, and conflict of interest rules will all be tightened to reflect the growing and changing role of Government service... I am especially pleased to support this comprehensive overhaul of House ethics rules and conflict of interest laws because it is an important first step in enhancing the ethical standards throughout Government and adjusting compensation for individuals whose skills are essential to the quality of service Government provides to the American people. It is my hope that honor will be restored to elected offices so that we can continue to work for the values that we have fought for in the past with quality representation in the future.


From 1992:

Now, the House needs new management, and that is Republican management. In my opinion, it will not do any good to get rid of the present Speaker or the present leadership, because what will happen is more will come in and it is the arrogance of power that we are talking about here. What is going on here is arrogance of power. We need a change in management... The Democrats could offer us another candidate, but it just will not change the system. Only when the public and Republican pressure becomes so great does the Democrat leadership act. We need new leadership which will act because it is right, not because they have been caught in coverups and scandals.


And 1994:

Mr. Speaker, I just am saddened by these kinds of issues. I believe very deeply in this institution, and I would hope that others do, too, and understand that, No. 1, the Justice Department is another branch of our Government, that we are empowered and mandated to clean our own house. Yet some in this body do not seem to understand that and would rather see mud thrown at this institution than to get to the bottom of problems in this institution.
The question is -- did he ever believe these words, and then got corrupted by absolute power, or was he always a corrupt, cynical bastard?
 

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Ronnie Earle, the Houston DA, who has already indicted three of DeLay's close associates may be moving on an indictment against DeLay which obviously trumps Shays' still valid comments.

Admittedly, Earle is a Democrat but he has made his name by sending crooked Democrats to prison.

Just think DeLay who was "astounded and disbelieving" that the students at Baylor -- a Baptist school -- were having sex. Do you think he believes that there is sex in prison? With any luck he'll find out up close and personal.
 
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Just think DeLay who was "astounded and disbelieving" that the students at Baylor -- a Baptist school -- were having sex. Do you think he believes that there is sex in prison? With any luck he'll find out up close and personal.

hillarious!!!!!!!:hump:
 

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From Washington Times interview with DeLay:

Mr. Hurt: Have you ever crossed the line of ethical behavior in terms of dealing with lobbyists, your use of government authority or with fundraising?

Mr. DeLay: Ever is a very strong word.
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Umm, Tom? The right answer was "no".
 

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"I blame Congress over the last 50 to 100 years for not standing up and taking its responsibility given to it by the Constitution. The reason the judiciary has been able to impose a separation of church and state that's nowhere in the Constitution is that Congress didn't stop them. The reason we had judicial review is because Congress didn't stop them. The reason we had a right to privacy is because Congress didn't stop them."





Yep, Tom DeLay said it in an interview with the Washington Times editorial board. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050413-111439-5048r.htm
 
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Pirsig: way to step up to the plate!

Funny line!!!
 

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House Majority Leader Tom DeLay intensified his criticism of the federal courts on Tuesday, singling out Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's work from the bench as "incredibly outrageous" because he has relied on international law and done research on the Internet.

Keep in mind Kennedy is a REAGAN appointee. Delay has just lost it. I mean, blaming the INTERNET for these rulings now?

Oh, but it gets BETTER.


DeLay said he thought there were a "lot of Republican-appointed judges that are judicial activists."

So Delay who apparently hates these 'activists' now notes they're from HIS OWN PARTY. His only apparent problem with them is they aren't acting on HIS side.

Somebody needs to point out that the Republican solution to 'activist' judges seems to be appointing MORE of them.

"We've got Justice Kennedy writing decisions based upon international law, not the Constitution of the United States? That's just outrageous," DeLay told Fox News Radio. "And not only that, but he said in session that he does his own research on the Internet? That is just incredibly outrageous."

I know Republicans regularly fail history, but man is Delay reaching here for the REALLY stupid history class flunkouts now. Our Constitution was based on 'international laws' and treatises, its not like the founders could just produce the entire thing out of thin air, they needed sources of inspiration and they found them.

And yes, Delay thinks doing research on the Internet is outrageous. Heaven forbid a judge actually do his own research using the available tools rather then parrot what the GOP wants him to parrot.

"The judiciary has become so activist and so isolated from the American people that it's our job to do that," DeLay said.

Yes, activism and isolation, just what we need MORE OF from Congress! One way would be for the House Judiciary Committee to investigate the clause in the Constitution that says "judges can serve as long as they serve with good behavior," he said. "We want to define what good behavior means. And that's where you have to start."
 

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Stick a fork in him: House Majority Leader Tom DeLay treated his political donors to a bird's-eye view of a Three Tenors concert from an arena skybox leased by a lobbyist now under criminal investigation.

DeLay's political action committee did not reimburse lobbyist Jack Abramoff for the May 2000 use of the skybox, instead treating it as a type of donation that didn't have to be disclosed to election regulators at the time.

The skybox donation, valued at thousands of dollars, came three weeks before DeLay also accepted a trip to Europe -- including golf with Abramoff at the world-famous St. Andrews course -- for himself, his wife and aides that was underwritten by some of the lobbyist's clients. Two months after the concert and trip, DeLay voted against gambling legislation opposed by some of Abramoff's Indian tribe clients.


If this story is true, Delay's only hope is the Ken Lay defense: "B-b-b-b-ut I had no idea what my PAC that I myself set up was doing accounting-wise."

Straw -- meet camel's back!
 

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