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did not paste well but can read article at http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/26/america/prexy.php?page=1

I say "rich" because 250k/yr for a couple should hardly be considered wealthy


Obama would raise taxes of the affluent
WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama will propose further tax increases on the affluent to help pay for his promise to make health care more accessible and affordable, calling for stricter limits on the benefits of itemized deductions taken by the wealthiest households, administration officials said.

The tax proposal, coming after recent years in which wealth has become more concentrated at the top of the income scale, introduces a politically volatile edge to the congressional debate over the president's domestic priorities.

Obama also proposes, in the 10-year budget outline he was to release Thursday, to use revenues from the centerpiece of his environmental policy - a plan under which companies will have to buy permits to exceed pollution emission caps - to pay for an extension of a two-year tax credit that benefits low-wage and middle-income people.

The combined effect of the two revenue-raising proposals, on top of Obama's existing plan to roll back the Bush-era income tax reductions on households with income exceeding $250,000 a year, would be a pronounced move to redistribute wealth by reimposing a larger share of the tax burden on corporations and the most affluent taxpayers. Administration officials said the president would propose to reduce the value of itemized tax deductions for everyone in the top income tax bracket of 35 percent and many of those in the 33 percent bracket - roughly speaking, starting at $250,000 in annual income for a married couple.


Under existing law, the tax benefit of itemizing deductions rises with a taxpayer's marginal tax bracket (the bracket that applies to the last dollar of income). For example, $10,000 in itemized deductions reduces tax liability by $3,500 for someone in the 35 percent bracket.
Obama would allow a saving of only $2,800 - as if the person were in the 28 percent bracket. The White House said that it was unfair for high-income people to get a bigger tax break than middle-income people for claiming the same deductions or making the same charitable contributions.
The officials said the resulting increase in revenues, estimated at $318 billion over 10 years, would account for about half of a $634 billion "reserve fund" that Obama would set aside in his budget to address changes in the health care system. The other half would come from proposed cost savings in Medicare, Medicaid and other health programs.

In a document summarizing its proposals, the White House said it would finance coverage for the uninsured in part by "rebalancing the tax code so that the wealthiest pay more."

Obama's budget blueprint, which will project spending and revenues for the next decade, will flesh out the president's thinking on his energy plans to both cap the emissions of gases, particularly carbon, that are blamed for climate change and to promote development of nonpolluting energy alternatives.

The budget will show the government beginning by 2012 to collect billions of dollars in revenues from selling permits to businesses that emit the polluting gases, assuming the president's energy initiative becomes law as soon as this year, officials say.

Because utilities and other businesses presumably will pass on their costs to customers, Obama will propose to use most of the government's revenues from the permits to finance an extension of the new "Making Work Pay" tax credit beyond the two years covered in his just-enacted $787 billion economic recovery plan.

That tax relief, the administration will argue, will offset households' higher costs for utilities and other products and services from businesses passing on their permit expenses.

That tax credit annually would provide $400 to low-wage and middle-income workers or $800 to couples; Obama would like to increase those figures to $500 and $1,000. The credit phases out for those with incomes above $75,000 a year and for couples with incomes of more than $150,000; no benefit would go to individuals with more than $100,000 income and couples with $200,000.

The tax credit will begin showing up in the form of lower withholding for eligible workers beginning April 1.

The remainder of the projected revenues from the permits will finance Obama's campaign promise for $15 billion a year over 10 years to subsidize research and development of alternative energy sources, officials said. The stimulus package included a multibillion-dollar down payment to develop a national electricity grid to harness and distribute energy from such sources, including wind farms.

Behind the numbers in Obama's first budget is one of the most far-reaching domestic agendas in years, and at a time when the president and Congress already are grappling with an economic crisis worse than any in decades. The environmental permits would not take effect until 2012, at which point the administration expects the economy to have recovered. Similarly, some of the tax increases would not take effect until 2011.

Democratic congressional leaders promised to push the agenda, which parallels their own. "By the end of this year, I want to do something significant dealing with health care," said the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada.

But the tax proposals could galvanize Republican opposition and give conservatives a concrete target for taking on Obama, who despite his political strength could find some members of his own party reluctant to embrace tax increases.

Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, who has been drafting a health plan, predicted in an interview that the Senate could pass legislation by its August recess.
Baucus acknowledged that "there has to be revenue" to offset the costs of expanded coverage initially but did not endorse the president's proposal for limiting wealthy taxpayers' deductions.

"There will be lots of options to pay it, not necessarily that one," Baucus said. He would not say what revenue options he would support. But he said that tax increases of some kind would not prevent some Senate Republicans from aligning with Democrats to pass a health plan.
John M. Broder, Carl Hulse and Thom Shanker contributed reporting.
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250,000 per year is not wealthy for a couple? Id say thats plenty more than plenty to buy any fancy doo dad out there & then some...A wealthy person isnt measured in dollars anyway...A wealthy person has their health & is not saddled with debt because they tried to live beyond their means & now their health is threatened by worrying about all their debt.
 

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250,000 per year is not wealthy for a couple? Id say thats plenty more than plenty to buy any fancy doo dad out there & then some...A wealthy person isnt measured in dollars anyway...A wealthy person has their health & is not saddled with debt because they tried to live beyond their means & now their health is threatened by worrying about all their debt.

While I agree with you here, who is the government to tell us who is wealthy and who isn't?
 

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who is the government to tell us who is wealthy and who isn't?
i agree with that more than i agree with the above. now 250k is ok for a couple, but if you add in children costs including savings for college, and you live in a place where you can make this type of money (new york, la) 250k (especially if you have business expenses) isnt anything. 250k in lima ohio, thats a lot of money. 250k in nyc or la, constantly doing business, not so much. i think that if you have over 2 or 3 million in net worth, (adjusted each year via a COLA to protect $ from inflation) then i might consider a higher tax.
 

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250,000 per year is not wealthy for a couple? Id say thats plenty more than plenty to buy any fancy doo dad out there & then some...A wealthy person isnt measured in dollars anyway...A wealthy person has their health & is not saddled with debt because they tried to live beyond their means & now their health is threatened by worrying about all their debt.

as far as I know the gov't does not taken in to account people's debt and health when taxing their wealth :)

point taken though

seriously 250k/couple is not affluent but as long as the feds think it is, guess that's all that matters
 

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Democrats historically = increase taxes, bigger government and soft on constitution principles.

Republicans historically = lower taxes, smaller government and are constitutionalists.

Cause this be how they roll.

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Democrats historically = increase taxes, bigger government and soft on constitution principles.

Republicans historically = lower taxes, smaller government and are constitutionalists.

Cause this be how they roll.

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This is the nonsense that is pushed out in the MSM. When in reality both are in favor of big government. Just take a look at recent history.

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Someone else is going to top this list, and fast.

That would just prove my point, and it will be a Dem and with the way things are going no question Obama will be that guy.

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This is the nonsense that is pushed out in the MSM. When in reality both are in favor of big government. Just take a look at recent history.

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Gag me with a spoon. The fundamental principals of these here two parties are etched in political pebbles. Demarcates are liberal regarding the constitution and Republicans are not.

If you want increase taxes, affirmative action programs, a reduced military capability, bigger Government, gun control, social service programs for non benevolent reasons, abortions, hugging illegal aliens and providing them with free stuff, increased spending and compromising freedom of speech, vote Democrat, cause that be what you get.

I am not being judgmental with regards to that ideology but I do not roll that way. This is just my position on this here matter. I am a proud Republican.

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The top 13 states with the highest percentages of those making 250K+ are all blue states. DC, Conn, NJ, Md, Mass, Cali, Va, NY, Ha, IL, NH, Colo, Wash. Top 13 states with highest % over 250K+....all Obama states.
 

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The top 13 states with the highest percentages of those making 250K+ are all blue states. DC, Conn, NJ, Md, Mass, Cali, Va, NY, Ha, IL, NH, Colo, Wash. Top 13 states with highest % over 250K+....all Obama states.

But it is relevant for tax purposes what constitutes taxable income.

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Gag me with a spoon. The fundamental principals of these here two parties are etched in political pebbles. Demarcates are liberal regarding the constitution and Republicans are not.

If you want increase taxes, affirmative action programs, a reduced military capability, bigger Government, gun control, social service programs for non benevolent reasons, abortions, hugging illegal aliens and providing them with free stuff, increased spending and compromising freedom of speech, vote Democrat, cause that be what you get.

I am not being judgmental with regards to that ideology but I do not roll that way. This is just my position on this here matter. I am a proud Republican

Stick to the facts, dont do too much thinking on your own. Bigger government for all. Take another stab at it. Fundamental differences dont mean shit when it comes to the common denominator, spending. Nothing and i mean NOTHING is more crucial to a government and its relation to the people it serves then the way it handles its nations purse.
 

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123561551065378405.html

Good piece here. Some key points:

Even the most basic inspection of the IRS income tax statistics shows that raising taxes on the salaries, dividends and capital gains of those making more than $250,000 can't possibly raise enough revenue to fund Mr. Obama's new spending ambitions.

Gee, who would've thunk it? But do Obama supporters really care? And how much will the Left in the media try to pin this on Bush when the shit inevitably hits the fan?


A tax policy that confiscated 100% of the taxable income of everyone in America earning over $500,000 in 2006 would only have given Congress an extra $1.3 trillion in revenue. That's less than half the 2006 federal budget of $2.7 trillion and looks tiny compared to the more than $4 trillion Congress will spend in fiscal 2010. Even taking every taxable "dime" of everyone earning more than $75,000 in 2006 would have barely yielded enough to cover that $4 trillion.

Re-read that last part: it would require 100% taxation of everyone making 75k and over to pay for Obama's plan. If this doesn't point out the pipe dream (or outright lie) of getting everything from "soaking the rich" then I don't know what will.

Our government only has three potential sources of income: borrowing, taxation or inflation. This shit he's pushed through is deceptively called a stimulus, but is really just a vast implementation of the Left's social agenda. I haven't lived long enough to see one...but for the first time in my life, I'm genuinely fearful of a complete collapse of our economy. This "stimulus" really could be the anvil that breaks the camel's back.
 

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123561551065378405.html

Good piece here. Some key points:

Even the most basic inspection of the IRS income tax statistics shows that raising taxes on the salaries, dividends and capital gains of those making more than $250,000 can't possibly raise enough revenue to fund Mr. Obama's new spending ambitions.

Gee, who would've thunk it? But do Obama supporters really care? And how much will the Left in the media try to pin this on Bush when the shit inevitably hits the fan?


A tax policy that confiscated 100% of the taxable income of everyone in America earning over $500,000 in 2006 would only have given Congress an extra $1.3 trillion in revenue. That's less than half the 2006 federal budget of $2.7 trillion and looks tiny compared to the more than $4 trillion Congress will spend in fiscal 2010. Even taking every taxable "dime" of everyone earning more than $75,000 in 2006 would have barely yielded enough to cover that $4 trillion.

Re-read that last part: it would require 100% taxation of everyone making 75k and over to pay for Obama's plan. If this doesn't point out the pipe dream (or outright lie) of getting everything from "soaking the rich" then I don't know what will.

Our government only has three potential sources of income: borrowing, taxation or inflation. This shit he's pushed through is deceptively called a stimulus, but is really just a vast implementation of the Left's social agenda. I haven't lived long enough to see one...but for the first time in my life, I'm genuinely fearful of a complete collapse of our economy. This "stimulus" really could be the anvil that breaks the camel's back.

Then we have to wonder how the states will get their money. I guess that's where the under 75k crowd come in.
 

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Disabled...no problem, equal rights and special benefits.
Minority...no problem, equal rights and special benefits.
Lazy...no problem, equal rights and special benefits.
Waste of life...no problem, equal right and special benefits.
Rich....no problem, equal rights and higher taxes.
 

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i agree with that more than i agree with the above. now 250k is ok for a couple, but if you add in children costs including savings for college.....

There ya go. Couple of the biggest mistakes most married couples make in life

1) Having more than one child

2) Tying up important revenues to pay for said children's future college education
 

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There ya go. Couple of the biggest mistakes most married couples make in life

1) Having more than one child

2) Tying up important revenues to pay for said children's future college education

Not sure I agree with your first point, but definately agree with point two.
 

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