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Latest polls all show Bush lead growing

10/15 Newsweek Bush +6
10/15 Zogby Bush +4
10/15 TIPP Bush +3
10/14 ABC Bush ev
10/11 CBS Bush +3
10/11 ICR Bush +5

As more people ask themselves -

Will raising my taxes make the economy better?
Will cutting defense spending make my children safer?
Do I really want to go back to a Jimmy Carter type president?
 

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Another view of it from Republican pollster Frank Luntz:

The big story of the US presidential election up to Thursday was how few undecided voters there were. Now the final presidential debate is over, these voters have essentially made up their minds - and it is George W.Bush who should be worried. If John Kerry is elected the 44th president, it will be because of a single night in Miami, Florida, when he came to debate and Mr. Bush came to - well, no one is quite sure. The double-digit lead that Gallup polls, long considered an authority for presidential polling, gave Mr. Bush after the Republican convention was fully erased by that fateful 90-minute confrontation.
Step by step, debate-by-debate, John Kerry has addressed and removed many remaining doubts among uncommitted voters. My own polling research after each debate suggests a rather bleak outlook for the Bush candidacy: many who still claim to be “undecided” are in fact leaning to Mr. Kerry and are about ready to commit.
Can Mr. Bush turn the tide in just 18 days? Absolutely, but his candidacy must address voters who still harbour economic and national security concerns. But that requires a fundamental shift in the president’s strategy and message. Asserting that the economy is strong and Iraq a success is simply not credible to the majority of Americans or to the stubborn 5 per cent who remain uncommitted.
The first thing Mr Bush should remember is to forget about using statistics to prove the economy is on the right track. Uncommitted voters, who tend to fall below the US average in education and income, just do not buy it. They feel squeezed by reduced employee benefits and higher prices. The president must articulate their frustration and, in the words of Bill Clinton, “feel their pain”. But that is not enough. Mr. Bush has explicitly to outline his plan to improve voters’ daily lives.
From the “outsourcing” of US jobs overseas to rising budget deficits and spiralling costs of petrol and health insurance, America’s remaining uncommitted voters want more “solutions” and less rhetoric. The candidate who offers more of the former stands a very good chance of winning. Here, Mr. Kerry has the advantage. In the first two debates, he perfected an effective technique of agreeing with the president on the problems and the principles behind them but then disagreeing on solutions and execution. In all three debates, uncommitted voters preferred Mr. Kerry’s consensus-building style to Mr. Bush’s confrontational approach.
Mr. Bush, to recover the voters he lost in the debates, must put the domestic policy debate in the wider context of the war on terror where he is still more trusted than his opponent. He has repeatedly missed opportunities to pivot from Iraq to terrorism, and he never effectively drew the link between national security and economic security. If Mr. Kerry repeats his line that the president should not have chosen tax cuts over national security, Mr. Bush should counter by noting Mr. Kerry’s lacklustre 20-year record in the Senate. That is a proposition that swing voters could readily sign up to.
On the economy, Mar Bush cannot afford simply to defend his record. He must offer hope for the future. As statistics do not work, he must talk about the economy through stories of real Americans employees, small business owners and family farmers explaining how a second Bush term would boost the economy. Outsourcing, whether Republicans like it or not, is the key economic issue of 2004. The Bush administration got off to a bad start by appearing to defend the practice as a beneficial part of free trade. While that may be good economics, it is terrible politics. The president’s current response, to offer better education as the solution, is no solace to voters in swing states such as Ohio who have lost their jobs.
The president started well at articulating a Republican solution to outsourcing in his second debate when he said: “America must be the best place in the world to do business.” But without more detail, he is just not credible. Better education is a start, but he needs to talk about how oppressive taxation, regulation and litigation systems are sending jobs overseas and how he can fix that. Another big issue is healthcare. Here, Mr Bush repeatedly scored points by focusing on how rising medical liability premiums are driving up healthcare and health insurance costs.
On certain key issues, Mr Bush would do well to position himself in contrast to the “special interests” in Washington who oppose reform. On education, on taxes, on energy as well as on healthcare, the president sits on the opposite side to such interests. If he outlines his plans for a second term, he could paint himself as the reformer to Mr Kerry’s defence of the status quo.

Mr Bush was right to stop the angry, dismissive facial gestures that hurt him in the first debate. But if he wants to be the speaker rather than spectator at the next presidential inauguration, he will need to turn in a perfect performance every day from now through the election perfection that has eluded him so far.
 

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It says right in the article, 18 days to the election which means it was written after the final debate.
 
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Frank Klutz is a washed up pollster who will say anything provocative to get headlines and airtime. Okay, we'll see you in November Franky. This guy is like the Betting Prophets of politics. :howdy:
 

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Sorry, I couldn't be bothered to read all that political trite...

I am dealing with facts, not propaganda..

When even left-leaning organizations like Newsweek are putting the Bush lead beyond the margin of error, while showing Nader only drawing 1%...


It's time to take notice.
 

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Typical response from a Republican these days, "this guy who has been on our team a long time never really was relevant and you should just ignore anything he might say anymore". Ok, at least nice to know that everyone that had a voice with Team Bush didn't get brainwashed by them.
 

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Mr. 73551 have you heard about this thing called the Electoral College? Just wondering. Gore was winning in the national polls and indeed won the votes nationally, but I think I heard he was retired for the last few years...
 

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How do you know these things?

Being on the ground in Nevada I would be surprised if Kerry didn't win it. Democrats will gain a net of over 100,000 new voters this cycle and Bush has pissed a lot of people off with Yucca Mountain. Unions are much more into this election, I think they were rather ambivalent last time around with weak support for Gore but the overtime rules and the cost of health care has made them much more involved. And maybe the most important figure, Las Vegas has become more diverse than it was even 4 years ago and that usually aids Democrats.
 

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mr73551 said:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Ok... Bush leads there as well

To be honest I don't give much credibility to that source.

I know Nevada is not barely Kerry, and I know Ohio is not weak Bush.
IT IS CLOSE, IT IS CLOSE AND IT IS CLOSE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT SEEMS AND BELIEVE ME!!! It is important if Bush may be up even by 4 pts in the National poll but not decisive because it's the electoral vote that MEANS ONLY. THE REAL FACT IS THAT BUSH IS DESTROYING KERRY IN HIS STRONG STATES, INSTEAD KERRY IS NOT DOING THAT IN HIS STRONG STATES SO THIS CREATE A SITUATION THAT KERRY CAN WIN EVEN ENDING BEHIND 4% OR 5% IN THE NATIONAL POLL. WITH THE ELECTORAL VOTING SYSTEM, THE WINNER CAN GET 270 ELECTORAL VOTES WINNING BARELY A LOT OF STATES, INSTEAD THE LOSER CAN WIN A LOT OF STATES BY A HUGE MARGIN THAT MEANS WIN STRONGLY THE NATIONAL POLL, BUT LOOSE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. THE BATTLE IS IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES.
 

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The Economy in Nevada has been much stronger than in other places.

Nevadans know that they are getting stuck with the dump regardless of who is elected.

Besides anybody who moved to Nevada in the last two years paid SO MUCH for a friggin house they had to be Republicans.
 

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I'm not big on politics, and I am leaning towards Kerry(This guy is brilliant), but I believe Busch does win simply because many Americans just aren't willing to take a chance on a change with all that has happened and all that is currently going on.....
 

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Kerry=Brilliant ???

That's funny...GW is no Rhodes scholar, but Kerry hasn't had one original thought/idea in 50 years...he's a puppet master of the polls...
 

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sandman, my statement is based strictly from what I've seen at the debates. In my opinion, listening to both of them head to head, Busch is the puppet, not Kerry. Kerry is always coming up with different angles to argue while Busch has repeated the same thing over and over and over since the debates have started.......
 

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yea PB has the device in his back, at least kerry is free speaking. one guy is a puppet the other guy is idealistic
 

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6260444/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 11:02 a.m. ET Oct. 16, 2004

Oct. 16 - With just 17 days remaining in the race to the White House, President George W. Bush and Sen. John Kerry remain locked in a dead heat, according to the NEWSWEEK poll, taken after Wednesday’s final debate in Arizona. In a three-way race with Independent candidate Ralph Nader, 48 percent of all voters say they would reelect Bush while 46 percent prefer Kerry.
 

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Let me see now. Gas price is $ 2.29 for regular here in Vegas, The national debt has gone from a huge surplus when Bush took office to Trillion + dollar deficit during Bush's period of office, and thousands of our finest are dieing in a senseless war in Iraq and Bush is leading in the polls ? How stupid is that ????
 

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I honestly believe it has to do with what I mentioned above Kermit.I think that many are simply scared to make a change in the middle of what our country has been through and is currently going through.........
 
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The dream scenario for me would be if Colorado passes that Democratic scheme voter initiative and splits their nine electoral votes between Bush and Kerry and Kerry ends up winning the state but losing the election because of the four extra votes Bush got.

OOPS!

See you at the Supreme Court again. :howdy:
 

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