Thoughts on Kelly Pavlik vs. Bernard Hopkins

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leaning towards pavlik

he is in his prime i believe at 26 years old 34 fights 30 kos and because hopkins is 43 lol

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Bernard Hopkins +335
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I dont know about taking pavlik at that price. in boxing i usually bet on some crazy prop bet where im getting 20 to 1.
 

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I dont have a fucken clue here..

Will Hopkins show up in tip top shape 10 years rejuvenated and shock this kid?..Pavlick is body skinny and Hopkins has the smarts to test him..does he still have the game though?..Nobody knows..and with all the bull shit that happens in boxing, one can only speculate..maybe Pavlick knocks his lights out?..I dont think so though, Bernard has never been one to show up and get embarrassed..

I think this fight may go the distance as Hopkins is a master at tying guys up..but I personally dont have a good feel on any outcome..I will pay like a fool and watch it sat night..Hope we get a good fight..And hope I dont see don King`s face, guy has scandal and deceit all over his ugly, racist face-D..I can say this, "only in America"..I hate his freakin guts!
 

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Probaby Pavlik taking a fairly close decision if for nothing else than his higher work rate and the fact he'll be the aggressor and the one forcing the action. But don't be fooled by Pavlik's record -- as B-Hop pointed out in the HBO Countdown show promoting the fight, Pavlik's fought 3 real fighters his entire professional career. That said, Over 11.5 (-211 at Pinny) is a better bet than Pavlik -400ish. Pavlik has made quick work of his opposition most of his career (again, he hasn't fought world class competition until the last year and a half), but he's spent most of that time fighting at 160 lbs. (tomorrow night being at 170), and B-Hop has a great chin and smarts inside the ring few can touch. He'll do everything to make this an ugly fight and stay out of the way of Pavlik's right hand. And even though I think Pavlik ultimately takes a decision, he's a very flawed fighter with almost no defense. Because of this, I wouldn't put it past Hop to hold and jab his way to an ugly win. I am, however, confident this fight goes to the cards. Pavlik can punch, but Hop's not going anywhere.
 

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Probaby Pavlik taking a fairly close decision if for nothing else than his higher work rate and the fact he'll be the aggressor and the one forcing the action. But don't be fooled by Pavlik's record -- as B-Hop pointed out in the HBO Countdown show promoting the fight, Pavlik's fought 3 real fighters his entire professional career. That said, Over 11.5 (-211 at Pinny) is a better bet than Pavlik -400ish. Pavlik has made quick work of his opposition most of his career (again, he hasn't fought world class competition until the last year and a half), but he's spent most of that time fighting at 160 lbs. (tomorrow night being at 170), and B-Hop has a great chin and smarts inside the ring few can touch. He'll do everything to make this an ugly fight and stay out of the way of Pavlik's right hand. And even though I think Pavlik ultimately takes a decision, he's a very flawed fighter with almost no defense. Because of this, I wouldn't put it past Hop to hold and jab his way to an ugly win. I am, however, confident this fight goes to the cards. Pavlik can punch, but Hop's not going anywhere.
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Pavlik will dominate this fight. He is to young,to fast to strong. look for a lopsided decision or a mid to late round KO. Pavlik much the best. Lay the wood:103631605
 

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Bernard Hopkins +335
Kelly Pavlik -415

I dont know about taking pavlik at that price. in boxing i usually bet on some crazy prop bet where im getting 20 to 1.


yea thats not very good odds

was thinking bout a prop bet too

maybe pavlik by decision or something but those odds may not be a whole lot better either
 

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My book is Pavlick - 400 I guarantee by fight time its closer to - 650-700 A steal at 400
 

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wont be 650-700...something smells here...

Pavlik should make quick work if Hopkins stands there and trades blows...something tells me Hopkins will dance.

There is no comparison between these 2 fighters now.
 

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I think this fight is to hard to call. And the bookmakers are either very confident of very stupid. Hopkins will not get knocked out so we can rule that one out, he is just a ring master and has a boxing IQ that will not be matched.

The only thing i can give imput on is - Will Hopkins Cardio hold up? Will he gass because one thing is for sure. Pavlik will not stop coming forward and wont let Hopkins have a second to rest in the fight.
 

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you gotta think that pavlik,with the youth and punching power will do enough...and he has solid stamina....

i think the stamina will be the difference...

the problems for pavlik are:

1)this is at 170...hqave to believe this favors hopkins because he`s older and a little more used to carrying the weight..

2)styles.....quick guys give the old b.hop problems...while pavlik has decent hand speed and throws all the punches staright and correctly,he`s not an angles guy...doesn`t have great feet..he`ll stand in front of bernard...and probably outwork him...

but.....guys that stand in front of bernard play into his bag of tricks....the potshoting and holding...the headbutts...the head movement...the holdiing and hitting.the rough stuff...

punchers that stand in front of him have problems...see trinidad/tarver and winky....none of em have good feet or terribly quick hands...

who gave b.hop trouble?...roy jones/taylor and calzaghe...all quick handed and with good movement...athletic guys...

i could see taking b.hop at over 3-1..a good style match-up for him.....but,he is 43 years old and my suspicion is that his stamina will betray him....as it did vs calzaghe...
 

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Hopkins is done guys. This Pavlik kid is much the better fighter. Not even close. The ? is whether or not he gets knocked out or it goes distance.

I am betting Pavlik by KO +250 and the under 11.5 +185
 

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Is this retarded or what ? Why would one take Kelly at - 430 if you can get him + 110 to win by decision and + 250 by KO . If I was going to take Kelly then just take both options and hope for a KO for a much nicer profit .
 

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Hopkins is done guys. This Pavlik kid is much the better fighter. Not even close. The ? is whether or not he gets knocked out or it goes distance.

I am betting Pavlik by KO +250 and the under 11.5 +185

No he is not done. And Pavlik is not much the better fighter. If Hopkins can use his ring craft well he has a very good chance. It all depends what Hopkins shows up
 

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Yeah...you are high too.

Hopkins will not beat Pavlik under any circumstances.
 

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Yeah...you are high too.

Hopkins will not beat Pavlik under any circumstances.

Nope, not high at all. Just someone who knows Boxing very well. Not only boxing but the careers of both Hopkins and Pavlik.

And Hopkins does have a chance and you wasted your $$$ betting on Hopkins being KO'D
 

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