There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

[NickyDeuces]

But it's coming into much better focus. To each his own but I'll avoid all stories or pictures on the cowardly murder of Nicholas Berg. The headline told me all I need to know. People are going to pay, no doubt about that. More killing, and there appears no other way. Mistakes have no doubt been made on our part, can't change what's past. Imo, even if we were to back off now, the terrorists are going to just keep coming, mainly via their single target surprise tactics. Many have made it their life's cause. Period. Become a "martyr" live forever in Paradise.

A Little Good News

Anne Murray (believe the year was '82)

I rolled out this morning
Kids had the mornin' news show on
Bryant Gumbel was talkin' 'bout the fighting in Lebanon
Some senator was squawkin' 'bout the bad economy
It's gonna get worse you see, we need a change in policy

There's a local paper rolled up in a rubber band
One more sad story's one more than I can stand
Just once how I'd like to see the headline say
"Not much to print today, can't find nothin' bad to say", because

Nobody robbed a liquor store on the lower part of town
Nobody OD'ed, nobody burned a single buildin' down
Nobody fired a shot in anger, nobody had to die in vain
We sure could use a little good news today

I'll come home this evenin'
I'll bet that the news will be the same
Somebody takes a hostage, somebody steals a plane
How I wanna hear the anchor man talk about a county fair
And how we cleaned up the air, how everybody learned to care
Whoa, tell me

Nobody was assassinated in the whole Third World today
And in the streets of Ireland, all the children had to do was play
And everybody loves everybody in the good old USA
We sure could use a little good news today

Nobody robbed a liquor store on the lower part of town
Nobody OD'ed, nobody burned a single buildin' down
FADE
Nobody fired a shot in anger, nobody had to die in vain
We sure could use a little good news today.

 

[TheFunkMonkey]

I believe Ice Cube wrote the urban version of Anne Murray's poem.

[Verse One]
Just wakin up in the mornin gotta thank God
I don't know but today seems kinda odd
No barkin from the dog, no smog
And momma cooked a breakfast with no hog (damn)
I got my grub on, but didn't pig out
Finally got a call from a girl I wanna dig out
(Whassup?) Hooked it up for later as I hit the do'
Thinkin will I live, another twenty-fo'
I gotta go cause I got me a drop top
And if I hit the switch, I can make the ass drop
Had to stop, at a red light
Lookin in my mirror and not a jacker in sight
And everything is alright
I got a beep from Kim, and she can **** all night
Called up the homies and I'm askin y'all
Which park, are y'all playin basketball?
Get me on the court and I'm trouble
Last week ****ed around and got a triple double
Freakin n***** everyway like M.J.
I can't believe, today was a good day (shit!)

[Verse Two]
Drove to the pad and hit the showers
Didn't even get no static from the cowards
Cause just yesterday them fools tried to blast me
Saw the police and they rolled right past me
No flexin, didn't even look in a n***** direction as I ran the intersection
Went to $hort Dog's house, they was watchin Yo! MTV Raps
What's the haps on the craps?
Shake 'em up, shake 'em up, shake 'em up, shake 'em
Roll 'em in a circle of n***** and watch me break 'em
with the seven, seven-eleven, seven-eleven
Seven even back do' Lil' Joe
I picked up the cash flow
Then we played bones, and I'm yellin domino
Plus nobody I know got killed in South Central L.A.
Today was a good day (shit!)

[Verse Three]
Left my n***** house paid (what)
Picked up a girl been tryin to **** since the 12th grade
It's ironic, I had the brew she had the chronic
The Lakers beat the Supersonics
I felt on the big fat fanny
Pulled out the jammy, and killed the punanny
And my dick runs deep, so deep
So deep put her ass to sleep
Woke her up around one
She didn't hesitate, to call Ice Cube the top gun
Drove her to the pad and I'm coastin
Took another sip of the potion hit the three-wheel motion
I was glad everything had worked out
Dropped her ass off and then chirped out
Today was like one of those fly dreams
Didn't even see a berry flashin those high beams
No helicopter looking for a murder
Two in the mornin got the Fatburger
Even saw the lights of the Goodyear Blimp
And it read, "Ice Cube's a pimp" (yeah)
Drunk as hell but no throwin up
Half way home and my pager still blowin up
Today I didn't even have to use my A.K.
I got to say it was a good day (shit!)

[Ice Cube]
Hey wait, wait a minute Pooh, stop this shit
What the **** I'm thinkin about?

 

[Oceans11]

Nick Berg was a jewish dude...what the heck is a jewish civilian doing running around Iraq at this point in time?

So now the downward spiral towards escalation continues.

And both sides will wind up as losers, there will be no winner because it's turning into a straight clash of wills, like in Vietnam.

If you REALLY wanted to piss the religious nutz off, then you should reinstate Saddam.
Revitalise the Baath party, arm them, go home, and in 12 months he'll 'clean' the place up for you.

Clear the $100 billion debt, and buy his oil on the open market.
(If he steps out of line, he knows the consequences now.)

A crazy solution, to a crazy situation.

[This message was edited by eek on May 12, 2004 at 06:17 AM.]

 

[NickyDeuces]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eek:
So now the downward spiral towards escalation continues...And both sides will wind up as losers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[American]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eek:
If you REALLY wanted to piss the religious nutz off, then you should reinstate Saddam.
Revitalise the Baath party, arm them, go home, and in 12 months he'll 'clean' the place up for you.
[This message was edited by eek on May 12, 2004 at 06:17 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's becoming readily evident that the way Saddam ran that country is the only way to control and govern those fruitcakes. And force is the only measure they respond to.

 

[xpanda]

So the 100-person protest against Al-Sadr doesn't even act as an equaliser in your mind?!? AQs who, incidentally, are likely from out-of-state, act like the barbarians that they are and you attribute this to all Muslims? So I guess you must also concur with the widespread belief in the MidEast that all Americans are likely to force prisoners to masturbate in front of them? You can't have it both ways.

 

[jointpleasures]

If that decapitation of Nick Berg didn't turn your gut when you saw the reports - then you harbor terrorism in your soul. I think were going to see a little different tactic being deployed in the middle east quickly. Bringing out the big artillary and sanitizing these scum.
Where are those camps? In eastern Afganistan? - wipe that area out in one days time. Are those scumbags living on 292 Islamic Boulevard in Fallujah? - wipe that area out in one minutes time. Then go on immediately to______ and do the same. Things will start to look much clearer then.
Thankfully, the battefield has primarily been in the Middle East since 9-11.

 

[xpanda]

The beheading of Nick Berg was deplorable (I cannot watch the video, of this I am certain.) But to attribute this to all Muslims? Warped.

 

[American]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xpanda:
The beheading of Nick Berg was deplorable (I cannot watch the video, of this I am certain.) But to attribute this to all Muslims? Warped.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Push your limits and watch it. It would be interesting, for you as well as the rest of us, to see what emotions it brings out in you. If you're not going to watch it, then stop talking about it.

 

[jointpleasures]

Any websites still running this video? I would like to watch. Maybe show it to my semi-liberal inlaws at the 4th of July gathering.

When America does a wrong the libs and partisan media give us 24/7 video coverage; when the terrorist scum do wrong, it's unwatchable and all of a sudden even unspeakable.

 

[xpanda]

American: I can't even watch a fish being gutted, if that gives you any indication of the strength of my stomach.

JP: the American media, especially CNN (god, I hate them) sensationalised the abuse photos entirely for ratings purposes. However, at the same time, the terrorists involved in this beheading know damn well that Americans will respond harshly to this video, which is exactly why they filmed it and sent it to the media. You guys are reacting the same way Muslims reacted to Abu Ghraib. They are manipulating the US into taking more drastic action, which can only help their recruitment cause. Don't fall for it.

 

[jointpleasures]

I'll trust my foresight, thank you for offering up yours though, and be confident that if the liberals disagree with it... I'll probably be right.

If they recruit them...we will kill them. Mindsets can be changed though and for the most part, the vast majority of the middle east feels LIBERATED. Haven't heard that word for a while.

 

[American]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xpanda:
JP: the American media, especially CNN (god, I hate them) sensationalised the abuse photos entirely for ratings purposes. However, at the same time, the terrorists involved in this beheading know damn well that Americans will respond harshly to this video, which is exactly why they filmed it and sent it to the media. You guys are reacting the same way Muslims reacted to Abu Ghraib. They are manipulating the US into taking more drastic action, which can only help their recruitment cause. Don't fall for it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you, but America isn't being given a choice, with this little group pulling shit. We have to go after them, and we'll continue to go after them until the end of time if that's the way it has to be. If you think the U.S. has another option, what is it?
And don't say ignore their attacks.

BTW, Xpanda...You'd be surprised at the strength of your stomach (as well as other intricate parts of your body) after spending a couple of weeks with Mistress "Thumbs Up" England!

 

[Oceans11]

I suppose that in the immediate future, with the military judicial stuff starting, there will be a domino situation on coalition abuse evidence, where more and more gets put into the public domain....unless deals can be made with those that stand accused.

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Private Lynndie England told a Denver TV station she had been instructed to pose for the notorious photographs with naked Iraqi men at a Baghdad jail.

The army reservist said officers had applauded the pictures and told her that the humiliation of the prisoners was paying off.

Private England said worse things than those shown in the photographs took place in Abu Ghraib prison. But, following her lawyer's advice, she did not give details.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3707593.stm

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New abuse photos are 'even worse'

Senators shown the pictures by Pentagon officials in a closed-door session described them as "disgusting" and "significantly worse" than anticipated.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3708157.stm

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[NickyDeuces]

By all accounts, for decades American prison guards have been treating American prisoners every bit as bad (worst) as those caught on tape in Iraq. Texas has a pepper spray, six man suited up team, they regularly run in on DR inmates. Some serious butt kicking. But we look the other way. Because they are Americans? Or because many are scum. I don't believe a criminal scum terrorist (prisoner) plotting to kill Americans rates any better treatment.

 

[barman]

What if the terrorist plotting to kill Americans is simply one of the hundreds of civilians who were rounded up in various raids and is plotting to kill no one?

 

[NickyDeuces]

Barman, Good point. Imo, there are no easy answers or solutions. It's a sad situation across the board.