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<HR>Issues & Insights

<NOBR>Thursday, July 14, 2005</NOBR>

The Plame Game


Security Leaks: Seems that talking to reporters is OK if you're Deep Throat or a Democratic congressman at war with the CIA. But if you're the guy who helped get George W. Bush elected twice, you're a criminal.

John Kerry, with Hillary Clinton nodding at his side, said that "Karl Rove ought to be fired" after the disclosure that Rove, in an e-mail to Time magazine's Matt Cooper in July 2003, said a trip that former Ambassador Joe Wilson took to Niger for the CIA was arranged by "Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency." He didn't provide her name.

This was said to be retaliation for Wilson's claim in a New York Times op-ed piece after the trip that Bush lied in his State of the Union speech that British intelligence had learned Saddam operatives were trying to buy yellowcake uranium in Africa. Wilson also made three appearances on NBC's "Meet The Press."

Wilson, a Democrat who worked in the National Security Council under President Clinton, is a physician in need of healing himself when it comes to truth-telling.

On July 9, 2004, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on the CIA's prewar intelligence on Iraq. The report concluded Wilson lied when he denied his wife got him the Niger assignment. The report also said Wilson lied when he told The Washington Post he knew the Niger intelligence had been based on forged documents. The CIA didn't obtain the document said to be a forgery until eight months after Wilson returned from Niger.

On July 14, 2003, Robert Novak wrote a column naming Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA employee. Novak did not name his source, but Wilson accused Rove, swearing that he would see Rove led out of the White House in "handcuffs."

In a column the following October, Novak said "the disclosure of Wilson's wife working at the agency . . . was not much of a secret" and that it "was well-known around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA."

Her name was certainly no secret, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who In America" entry. Nor were her political affiliations and those of her husband. It could be argued that Mrs. Wilson blew her own cover when she made a contribution to the Al Gore for President campaign and listed her CIA cover company as her employer in the FEC filing.

Her husband Joe also made a contribution to the Gore campaign and, coincidentally enough, signed on with the Kerry presidential campaign as an unpaid foreign policy adviser and speech-writing assistant. He also campaigned for Kerry in six states.

The 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which Rove is accused of violating, was written following a scandal involving Philip Agee, a rogue former CIA agent who published the names of 700 of his CIA colleagues before fleeing to the worker's paradise of Cuba.

The law was designed to protect the CIA from subversion and treason by those who wished harm upon the agency and the U.S. It was not designed to protect the identities of agents and their spouses who freely inject themselves into one side of a national political debate. If Karl Rove is a criminal, exactly what was the crime?

The act protected only those who were "serving outside the United States or (have) within the last five years." It's not clear how Mrs. Wilson would qualify as an undercover covert operative when she was a weapons of mass destruction analyst sitting at a desk in Langley, Va., and not a spy.

Pure politics is behind the outrage of liberals such as Kerry and Clinton who suddenly feel protective of the CIA after spending decades blaming the organization and its covert operatives for all manner of mischief. Where was the outrage back in the '90s, when Democrats gave one of their own, then-Rep. Bob Torricelli, a pass when he blew the cover of a real CIA operative in Guatemala?

The usual suspects who got even with Newt Gingrich for electing a Republican Congress are now trying to settle the score with the architect of Bush's two election victories. Wilson now goes around Washington saying, "Neo-conservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both." He's not alone, it seems.



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Patriot said:
. Wilson now goes around Washington saying, "Neo-conservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both." He's not alone, it seems.

This guy is media whore with a 'personal mission' to publicize his name and his wife's name as much as possible.

How many times has he been on Meet The Press or Good Morning America reminding people what her name is? Yea, her identity was a real national secret
 

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This guy is media whore with a 'personal mission' to publicize his name and his wife's name as much as possible.

How many times has he been on Meet The Press or Good Morning America reminding people what her name is? Yea, her identity was a real national secret
It was until Rove got pissed at him and his anti- uranium fact findings!:toast:
 
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Patriot I really think youre fucking wierd . .it's not ok to put a lady's life in jeapordy becuase a blubbering Vagina that you or I would have smacked dead in the mouth in high school puts a woman's life in jeapordy

I hope you, joint and that other wierd guy can just say OK Rove screwed up lets support the new republican that takes over.

Are you player hating on the Republican that worked his way up with dignity?

It's not OK to put a lady in the eyes of terrorists desire of hurt

Do you read the Koran too Pat?!
 
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Rob your so far out of touch what's going on in this world it's so funny.
 
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I'm just going on what the conservative media reports
 
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yep real conservative they are!!!! Thanks for making my point in myy last post
 
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The media is conservative, and I think you enjoy it


been this way for a while now, get with the program. go to the headlines and read the storys, if you dont think theyre conserve slanted get help

the libs are the victims, the media never shares our views. were stuck following their biased non sense. Yet, were right there you saw the approval ratings you even posted them yourself and intelligently proclaimed "It's a poll!"
 
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Hey TRW, how are the Twins going to do against the Angels tonight - Lohse v. Washburn? Leaning toward the Angels.
 
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RobFunk said:
.it's not ok to put a lady's life in jeapordy becuase a blubbering Vagina that you or I would have smacked dead in the mouth in high school puts a woman's life in jeapordy


If she is sitting at a desk in Virginia, how was her life in danger anymore than any other person in the US? it was not like she was on some secret spy mission. Her husband has admitted he has a personal mission to get Rove, maybe if Wilson wasn't on every talk show he can find publicizing her name I might think there was some reason to keep her identity hidden.
 
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liberals THINK they smell blood everytime a Republican might make a mistake etc and they go into their shark attack but everytime the teeth are missing with unvarnished facts! And now they wonder why they can't gain seats or win one simple election.
 

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RW: I could care less any more about gaining seats in Congress or the Supreme Court, what I am concerned about is how little our way of life means anymore to anyone! Why is it only so-called lefties can see this and you guys cannot? It is like an instant replay of fascist times in the 30's and you guys just seem to relish the new 'camaraderie'! RW, you seem very sensible at times, maybe you can speak for some of your nuttier rw'ers! Why is it that nobody on the left or billions of people around the world trust you guys or your party? Please, I am serious, I know we disagree, but most everyone I talk to cannot understand W, his comrades and their opinions on everything! Do we have to wait for the black boots and the goose-stepping before you guys see how much our beloved country has gone astray? I hope I am wrong but there are many bad people in positions of power right now! Good luck, maybe you guys can figure something out to bring back a 'caring' America! I hope and pray so!:toast:
 

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It wasn't just Plame who was compromised. It was every foreign source who was known to spend time with her. It was Brewster-Jennings, a CIA front constructed over many years at great expense.

Rove's own lawyer has admitted publicly he was involved. Vital assets to American national security were destroyed. And the reason it was done was to try to discredit a critic of the administration.

1 + 1 + 1 = Treason. Period. If some Democrat apparatchik in the Clinton White House had done exactly the same thing, you people would be screaming bloody murder, demanding his summary execution. You know it, I know it, and a growing body of the American people knows it too. The utter hypocricy and amoral ambition of this administration is finally being exposed, and your desperate attempts to spin your idols out of trouble are failing miserably.

Other than that, have a nice day.


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CAPN CRUNCH said:
RW: I could care less any more about gaining seats in Congress or the Supreme Court, what I am concerned about is how little our way of life means anymore to anyone! Why is it only so-called lefties can see this and you guys cannot? It is like an instant replay of fascist times in the 30's and you guys just seem to relish the new 'camaraderie'! RW, you seem very sensible at times, maybe you can speak for some of your nuttier rw'ers! Why is it that nobody on the left or billions of people around the world trust you guys or your party? Please, I am serious, I know we disagree, but most everyone I talk to cannot understand W, his comrades and their opinions on everything! Do we have to wait for the black boots and the goose-stepping before you guys see how much our beloved country has gone astray? I hope I am wrong but there are many bad people in positions of power right now! Good luck, maybe you guys can figure something out to bring back a 'caring' America! I hope and pray so!:toast:

It's 'caring' America that got us in this mess. The liberals giving away our stuff and having us turn the other cheek like wimps any time we were threatened by other countries. No more. We keep our stuff and give it to American people who need it. If we are threatened in any way, we need to punch that country in the face and take their stuff. After we get rid of the wimpy liberals, we will be able to use all of our war tools and programs in any conflict. This will save American lives and this is the only goal in war. But we still take their stuff! I'm glad we agree! Stay cool !

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ColdWeather, when a guy puts the security of America at risk you get rid of him.


Theres no reason to back Rove other than youre a sentimental f ag still overjoyed from an election 8 months ago. Get rid of the problem, put a new republican there. Will the left be happy?! Yes. of course. But you have to say, ok. blubbering vagina who talks too damn much is gone.
 
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RobFunk said:
ColdWeather, when a guy puts the security of America at risk you get rid of him.


Theres no reason to back Rove other than youre a sentimental f ag still overjoyed from an election 8 months ago. Get rid of the problem, put a new republican there. Will the left be happy?! Yes. of course. But you have to say, ok. blubbering vagina who talks too damn much is gone.

Good point. I agree with your statement! Get rid of him Today!

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CW: I think you will look good in those black boots goosestepping with the others! Good luck! Don't forget to take their stuff!:party: :smoker2: :drink: :dancefool :dancefool :dancefool
 
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I like the Righty from a few days ago who said "Go ahead and fire Rove" thats an American right there looking to make prudent choices. The rest of you are sentimental jack asses who like to argue over nothing. You dont give a crap about Rove. You got 3 supporters and 2 bad uncredible articles.


It's the principable. You know rove is a loud mouth scum that runs his mouth, you just don't want to see the left happy about something. Youre just selfless losers. It's really that simple. The facts are there, and you argue them.

Rove outed a CIA agent. Don't need a lefty blog for that one, you just need Fox news or an AP article.
 
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CW: I think you will look good in those black boots goosestepping with the others! Good luck! Don't forget to take their stuff!
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