The Non-Conference Games that will Shape the 2009 College Season- #1: South Carolina @ NC State

[Budworth22]

Hey guys,

figure you'll enjoy this.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/6/1/888684/the-non-conference-games-that-will

I'll have about 80 of these. Remember to view the comment section as well, as there is a wealth of information there.

 

[CoachCB]

How in the hell will this game "shape the 2009 season"? No one gives a shit if two middle of the pack teams from these conferences wins or loses. Sure, if SC loses the ACC will have a little bit of a drum to beat. But in no way, shape or form will this "shape" the season!

 

[BigdaddyQH]

This is the dribble I have come to expect from anything that a Florida State fan would write. Complete and total garbage. While the game will be interesting, these are two teams that at best, end up in minor bowls. And this fool wants to compare this game to USC-Ohio State? This game carries about as much weight as UCLA-Tennessee does.

 

[Budworth22]

I don't recall saying it would determine the national champion or claiming that it was on par with USC-Ohio State. Did you actually read the article?

Non-Conference games on National Television do shape the college season overall, they influence voters, impact recruiting, affect bowl bids, etc.

Also, there's a decent gambling angle in there, which is why I posted it here.

 

[russ1945]

I don't recall saying it would determine the national champion or claiming that it was on par with USC-Ohio State. Did you actually read the article?

Non-Conference games on National Television do shape the college season overall, they influence voters, impact recruiting, affect bowl bids, etc.

Also, there's a decent gambling angle in there, which is why I posted it here.

Yes, I agree you have to read the whole article to put it in perspective.
It was an interesting article in fact although I agree that the outcome of this game will not have national consequences. And yes, there is a gambling angle here. As I have mentioned in my thread before, N.C. State if one of my five picks for week one based pretty much on everything this article refers to. I will say that the Oregon/Boise St game fits this scenario much better as the outcome of that game will have big time consequences. If you have 80 postings like that one I would read them.

 

[russ1945]

There is more to the story

This is the dribble I have come to expect from anything that a Florida State fan would write. Complete and total garbage. While the game will be interesting, these are two teams that at best, end up in minor bowls. And this fool wants to compare this game to USC-Ohio State? This game carries about as much weight as UCLA-Tennessee does.

I took the time to pull up the site for tomahawknation.com and much to my surprise I found this comment addressing "Gator Envy".

Does Gator Envy actually exist? I think there is a good bit of envy at this point, but it’s not the Gators’ fault. UF athletics are in the middle of a great run from top to bottom. I see no way to argue out of that, unless the Noles hand UF their butts a few times. On top of that, football is the driver of the rivalry and right now FSU can’t compete with UF. Are Gator fans arrogant? Sure some of them are, but so are some Seminole fans. Do they talk more crap? Probably for now since they’re winning. The Florida Gators currently have a premiere athletic program, but don’t forget that not so long ago FSU dominated the state along with Miami. These things tend to ebb and flow.

I don't know about you but kind of shocked me. But it is true. Look around at all the schools who have been where Florida is now, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, Miami and yes even Florida State. It does not last forever and history proves that. All in all I found their site to be cordial and open minded. So not all Florida State fan write garbage.

 

[russ1945]

A game that shaped the 2008 season

How about Utah traveling to Michigan on 8-30-08 LY. Michigan jumps out to a 7-0 lead then 10-6 then Utah takes it 12-10. From that point on Utah leads as Michigan scores 2 4th Qtr TD's and fails on a two point conversion with 6:26 to play. Now how much difference would that have made? Michigan goes on to go 3-9 while Utah finishes undefeated. Now to set the record straight Utah dominated in terms of total yardage but Michigan showed a lot of grit. Including that game Utah won their four closest games by a total margin of 11 points. That included wins over Michigan, Oregon St, New Mexico, and TCU. Do you see them being that fortunate this year losing a QB and a total of 10 starters?

 

[BigdaddyQH]

Florida State has lost 5 straight times to Florida,and you can make that 6 after thisyear, unless some unforseen circumstance happens. Florida State has major problemswith the NCAA, and (if you can read between the lines) aparently lost their appeal to the NCAA regarding their cheating scandal. I fully expected something like this from a Florida State based outfit. As you so correctly pointed out, when teams become very successful, they receive the ire and wrath of fans from teams that they consistanly defeat. USC has had their share, but oddly enough, not necesairily from the teams in the Pac 10. Miami had it. Ohio State had it. It is just part of football life.

If I were a Florida State fanatic, I would be hoping to get rid of Bowden, so the team can find a direction to go under Fisher. What Florida State fans hate to admit is the fact that Fisher, the "coach in waiting" and OC, despises Andrews, the DC. This is not a real good locker room situation. Bowden has obviously lost all control at FSU. It's time for him to go, so this team can get some cohiveness and move on. It would also help if Florida State starts signing players that know how to spell their name, and are not signed in jail.

 

[Budworth22]

Florida State has lost 5 straight times to Florida,and you can make that 6 after thisyear, unless some unforseen circumstance happens. Florida State has major problemswith the NCAA, and (if you can read between the lines) aparently lost their appeal to the NCAA regarding their cheating scandal. I fully expected something like this from a Florida State based outfit. As you so correctly pointed out, when teams become very successful, they receive the ire and wrath of fans from teams that they consistanly defeat. USC has had their share, but oddly enough, not necesairily from the teams in the Pac 10. Miami had it. Ohio State had it. It is just part of football life.

If I were a Florida State fanatic, I would be hoping to get rid of Bowden, so the team can find a direction to go under Fisher. What Florida State fans hate to admit is the fact that Fisher, the "coach in waiting" and OC, despises Andrews, the DC. This is not a real good locker room situation. Bowden has obviously lost all control at FSU. It's time for him to go, so this team can get some cohiveness and move on. It would also help if Florida State starts signing players that know how to spell their name, and are not signed in jail.

You obviously don't read out site. We cover all that stuff and are the only FSU site to do so.

UF has had twice the players arrested under Meyer that Bowden has in the same period. 24 arrests in Meyer's 4 years.

As for this:

Florida State has lost 5 straight times to Florida,and you can make that 6 after thisyear, unless some unforseen circumstance happens. Florida State has major problemswith the NCAA, and (if you can read between the lines) aparently lost their appeal to the NCAA regarding their cheating scandal.

Wrong.

As Andrew Carter explained yesterday http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2009/06/about-the-ncaa-appeal.html ,

The Committee On Infractions is the committee which handed down the punishment. They are not the committee hearing the appeal. What was submitted yesterday was the Committee on Infractions response to FSU's appeal, and that response was submitted to the Committee on Appeals, which will render the appeals verdict. Said response was also distributed to FSU, from which they have 15 days to issue a final rebuttal, which will go to the Committee on Appeals (think of the Committee on Appeals as a judge). What happened yesterday wasn't a ruling of any sort.

FSU appeals to the appeals committee.

The infractions committee (not the appeals committee) sends their response to FSU's appeal to the Appeals committee committee.

FSU then responds.

It's an adversarial proceeding.
Think of the Appeals committee like an appeals judge
The Infractions committee is like the side wanting the original ruling to be upheld.
And FSU is the appellant seeking relief, asking the appeals committee to overturn the infractions committee's decision.


The notion that FSU is in major NCAA trouble is simply ludicrous and I'd challenge you to provide any official documentation to the back up your assertion.

 

[Budworth22]

o you see them being that fortunate this year losing a QB and a total of 10 starters?

No, that's random luck. It's illogical for anyone to predict that a team will win a disproportionate amount of close games.

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

North Car St will win this opening game and send the ol ball coach back into retirement.

 

[russ1945]

No, that's random luck. It's illogical for anyone to predict that a team will win a disproportionate amount of close games.

Maybe but in Steeles preseason magazine he deals with it on p.299 where he discusses close wins and losses and some trends he has found on both. You mind find it interesting and at least worth some consideration, illogical or not.

 

[SoonerBS]

I found it to be a good read. Thanks for posting it.