the meaning of words / the art of debate

[Willie99]

<table width="507" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="436"><tbody><tr><td>FACT:

1. something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>2. truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something

based on fact

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>3. piece of information: a piece of information, e.g. a statistic or a statement of the truth

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>4. law actual course of events: the circumstances of an event or state of affairs, rather than an interpretation of its significance

Matters of fact are issues for a jury, while matters of law are issues for the court.

</td> </tr> <tr> <td>5. law something based on evidence: something that is based on or concerned with the evidence presented in a legal case




ACCUSATION:

1 : the act of accusing

2 : a charge of wrongdoing

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A fact should not be countered with an accusation. An accusation is not a fact. One should provide the facts, not an accusation, and let us all draw our own conclusions.

Far too often posters only provide accusations, and they think they've made their case.


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[Willie99]

OBJECTIVITY

3 a: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment> bof a test : limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum


OPINION

1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter 2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b: a generally held view

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This difference is especially important in the debate pertaining to media bias.

A news show that fancies itself to be unbiased should report the facts in an objective manner, merely presenting the facts without interpretation.

An opinion oriented show is not held to the same standards, the viewers should know the hosts have inherent bias, and should expect interpretation.

Thus, shows such as H & C on Fox or Countdown with KO on MSNBC are not held to the same standards of objectivity as the hosts of the nightly news programs.

 

[Willie99]

DOCUMENTARY

1: being or consisting of documents : contained or certified in writing <documentary evidence>

2: of, relating to, or employing documentation in literature or art

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documentaries are not a compilation of accusations

documentaries do not take words out of context

documentaries do not have political bias and present one sided arguments

documentaries do not use cut and paste procedures to intentionally distort facts

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IMHO, there has not been one documentary that substantiated any 9/11 conspiracy theory, they are all guilty of intentional distortion of the facts.

 

[mamatried]

Willy, you're wasting your time trying to explain concepts like reason and logic to these folks.

 

[Jointpleasure]

EMOTIONAL MOVEMENTS

Purely psychogenic emotions manifest as generalized anxiety, worry, feeling of inferiority, hysterical amnesia, confusion, irrational (but tenaciously cherished) complexes, and the psychic basis underlying antisocial zealot behavior.

The excitement connected with prohibition and phases of nationalism, violent political or religious movements, or adherence to the entire program of certain organizations or causes can only be explained on the basis of emotion.

Purely psychogenic disorders affect the mental aspect of one's life and influence reasoning and judgement faculties.

Take this into account when debating a follower of the Lord Obama.

 

[tsm123]

Spin : to have a sensation of whirling; reel: My head began to spin and I fainted.

 

[BillCarson]

what about the word....articulate? what is the ebonic intrepretation of articulate?

is it an accusation ..or is it an opinion...

:nohead:

 

[quantumleap]

Willy, you're wasting your time trying to explain concepts like reason and logic to these folks.

Agreed. That's why I've all but quit posting here.

 

[tiznow]

my debate style is chaotic

in the end we really don't know many "facts"

majority based on probability's

people like to think they know stuff but in the end they really don't know much

people like reason, they like rules, they like a plan, they like logic, they like to be "right".....embrace chaos and the fact that you really don't know shit....it'll open your eyes a little more

super geniuses like einstein aren't much different than you are I...their ignorance is just slightly less looking at the entire scale.....

 

[kingbill]

Persuasion is a form of social influence. It is the process of guiding people toward the adoption of an idea, attitude, or action by rational and symbolic (though not always logical) means. It is strategy of problem-solving relying on "appeals" rather than strength.

Manipulation is taking persuasion to an extreme, where the one person or group benefits at the cost of the other.

 

[Willie99]

dumbfounded I even need to explain this stuff

FREEDOM
: the quality or state of being free: as a: the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b: liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : independence c: the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous <freedom from care> d: ease, facility <spoke the language with freedom> e: the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken <answered with freedom> f: improper familiarity g: boldness of conception or execution h: unrestricted use <gave him the freedom of their home>

OPPRESSION
[SIZE=-1]the act of subjugating by cruelty; "the tyrant's oppression of the people"
the state of being kept down by unjust use of force or authority: "after years of oppression they finally revolted"
a feeling of being oppressed
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Oppression is the act of using power to empower and/or privilege a group at the expense of disempowering, marginalizing, silencing, and subordinating another. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The unjust keeping down of others by force.
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FASCISM

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

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Tell me what freedoms you don't have in this country. For example, can you no longer wager on line? Do you know somebody or have heard of somebody being stripped of their rights by any recent laws that were implemented?

If you believe we have a fascist government and /or you're being oppressed, can you provide some specific examples?

 

[tiznow]

u never do get it willie

its about fighting the trend

obviously we are quite free compared to many others in the world

i'd just like to stay that way and don't like the current trend towards less freedom

most of what tizglooom talks about is projection into the future he's thinks forwardly not about the here and now as that is of little consequence to him

 

[Willie99]

u never do get it willie

its about fighting the trend

obviously we are quite free compared to many others in the world

i'd just like to stay that way and don't like the current trend towards less freedom

most of what tizglooom talks about is projection into the future he's thinks forwardly not about the here and now as that is of little consequence to him

Tizdoom, did I touch a nerve or something?

Man, you're a moving target today. Two steps back, one step forward, a kick and a swirl and you do the hokie pokie, that's what it's all about.

You're certain our fiat system will fail, but it won't fail in your lifetime. You're in your mid to late twenties, right?

We are losing our freedom, but of course we're freer than the rest of the world.

Dead cats bounce a very long time

What the fuck don't I understand :think2:

 

[tiznow]

touch a nerve no just responding to a post just like any other

what you see is what you get no agenda here....

chaos takes me where it takes me as i respond to various posts and my tangential mind does its thing

tizgloom is a happy person at almost all times, "annoyed" alot with the world around him yes

but very rarely does he get mad, when he does watch the fuck out

 

[quantumleap]

my debate style is chaotic

in the end we really don't know many "facts"

majority based on probability's

people like to think they know stuff but in the end they really don't know much

people like reason, they like rules, they like a plan, they like logic, they like to be "right".....embrace chaos and the fact that you really don't know shit....it'll open your eyes a little more

super geniuses like einstein aren't much different than you are I...their ignorance is just slightly less looking at the entire scale.....

I give you a credit for going out on a limb and taking a chance by making predictions. I also give you credit for giving reasoning for some of your choices.

 

[cutacrossshorty]

Willie,

First I wnt to say that I'm on a computer at a library that's going to automatically log me out in 10 minutes.

I'm guessing that you were motivated to start this thread, in part, based on an assertion that I made and subsequent exchanges.

If that's the case, one thing you need to realize is that there are limitations as to what can and cannot be proven on an iternet forum. We are restricted to our own words along with links to articles or videos. It would be nearly impossible to go into court with those limitations and prove an assetion (or accusation).

Regarding my assertion and our exchanges, I never set out to prove it and if I did i'd be limited, once again, to my words alsong with links (and you've already said that you almost always never watch videos).

In conclusion, the standards that you expect can almost never be realized given the limitations of the setting. In the end, almost nothing will ever be good enough for you. It would probably take a guilty verdict of some sort before you ever consider the validity of some allegations. Even then you still might be defiant.

As I've stated, I've hardly even tried to prove what I know is true. If you want me to atempt, I can. I have less than minute, sending

 

[Willie99]

Shorty, your assumption that I started this thread because of our interaction is wrong. I've actually grown to respect you more recently, after initially thinking you were just a flame throwing hate mongering leftie.

I have no problem with people simply because I disagree with them on something.

I started this thread because so many arguments in so many threads are simply DOA.

As for evidence, I think that if one makes a significant and far reaching allegation, one better have significant evidence, that's all. I hold myself to the same standard, and I won't make grievous allegations without significant support for my position.

 

[tiznow]

y like your daily threads on oil price movements and the reasons why aren't DOA

:tongue2:

 

[Willie99]

y like your daily threads on oil price movements and the reasons why aren't DOA

:tongue2:

Of course, those arguments are more subjective by nature, eh Tizdoom? Lest one thinks they can accurately predict market changes and why, no?

Try to keep up some day :thumbsup:

 

[random1323]

you don't watch the documentaries.