The last winning angle of the season: USC & OU

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It was a tough game to lose last night with Auburn & Va.Tech with that missed assingment on defense in the last 2 minutes costing us the line. But hey, I've had my share of games this bowl season that has gone that way in my favor. So I'm not going to complain too much. Congrats to everyone who had Tech.

With the USC and OU game I'm not going to go through all the stats. I think everybody knows how good these two teams are. I'm also not going to play the intangibles because they have nothing to do with my pick here which is going to be the over/under.

I'm chickening out in picking a winner here because I think either of these teams can win this game. When it comes to bragging on this board I'm going to side with OU every time. But when it comes to betting I don't get sentimental. I bet what I think will win for me. Personally i think OU has just as many great athelets as USC. And according to a few publications I've read, they probably have a few more. But two things have kept me from pulling the trigger on the Sooners in this game. Pete Carroll and Norm Chow. I believe these two coaches are the best in college football. As good a coaching staff as OU has, Bob Stoops and Co. have finally met their match here.

But as good as the coaching staffs are here, it's the players who are going to decide the outcome. The offenses and defenses are both in the top 5. So something's got to give, right? And as good as these defenses are, and the geniuses behind them, I believe the real strength of these 2 teams are their offenses.

OU's defense has gone through a lot of trial and tribulations this year. The suspension of Dusty Dvorchek from the defensive line hurt the Sooners this season. But I think OU's biggest loss there was All-American Tommy Harris going pro a year early. I also think OU lost 2 big playmakers on defense when they lost All-Americans Ted Lehman at linebacker and Derrick Strait from the defensive backfield. These 2 were bigtime playmakers. And OU has missed those guys all year. The Sooner defense has had only 8 picks this year. And hasn't caused near the turnovers as they did last year. OU still has one of the best secondarys in the country. But without Strait or hard hitting Brandon Everage they aren't quite the same. To put it simply, IMO OU's defense was better last year.

USC lost some key players too on defense. Their excellent pass rushers Omar Nazel and Udeze from the defensive line. USC has some big bodies on the D line. But I would rate them no better than last year. But that's still damn good. And they are the strongest part of this defense. I would say the weakest link on USC's D is their defensive backs. They had to replace their CB Poole (11 int. 80 tkls.) and Allmond (48 tkl and 3 int. in just 13 starts). They were replaced by the less expierenced Bing and Wyatt back there.

As close as these two teams mirror each other, I believe there are a few mismatches. I know the USC D line is strong and their number 1 priority will be to stop the run. And I've seen other teams key on Peterson this year. It means OU will have to go over the top with White to open up the running. Remember this is a healthy White this time. I think the biggest mismatch will be OU's receivers against the USC cornerbacks, who are speedy but undersize. Except for Mark Clayton, all of OU's receivers are 6'3 and around 215 lb. Big receivers against small CB's. And remember Clayton isn't his only target. Danny Bradley has come on strong at the end of the year. And he has 4.3 speed. And Travis Wilson is a helluva receiver. This is going to cause a lot of problems for USC. Also keep in mind that because of his outstanding offensive line White has only been sacked 7 times all year!
The player that Carroll said he's really concerned about is the added dimension of fullback J.D.Runells. This is simply the best FB in OU history. A devastating blocker for Peterson. But also a deadly receiver coming out of the backfield who usually gets the ball when nobody's expecting it. Yet another player USC has to look out for. This is the most balanced team USC will face this year. OU is only 1 of 8 teams in the country who averaged more than 200 yards both passing and rushing on offense. Cal is probably the most well balanced team USC faced this year. And we know what kind of yards they racked up on USC in their own backyard. And their a long way from home this time.

As much as I like Jason White, Matt Leinart is the best QB that there is in college football. He's got the makings of a great pro QB. And he's smart. He's got a fine fleet of young but talented receivers to throw to. Along with another dimension with Bush coming out of the backfield. The pressure will be on Leinart from OU's defensive ends. The USC offensive line has been the weak link to their offense allowing 24 sacks this year. But I believe Chow will have Leinart doing a few play action passes to keep the fast OU defense in check. Chow is such a good OC. This guy can figure out litarally any defense. I've seen USC play enough times this year. I'm really impressed at the adjustments he makes. Reporters this week asked Chow if he's seen a better defense than OU this year. He said they are the most sound schematically. But to say it's the best you really don't know until you get into the game. You can't tell just by looking at film. I get the feeling he thinks there isn't a defense out there he can't beat. This guy will make adjustments throughout the game to poke some holes in OU's D.

All this leads up to the over/under. You saw some good defense last night with Auburn and Va.Tech. You'll see some good D tonight too. But neither Auburn or Va.Tech have near the offenses of these 2 teams. It's no embarrasement for a great offensive team to score 30 points on you. It happens to good defenses in the NFL every week. This is a new age in college football. With many new clever offensive schemes. That's why you had so many ridiculous numbers on the over/under lines. But many of the teams in this bowl season matched those totals and more. The key nowadays is to bend but don't break and make sure you have a good offense to match it. I believe both of these teams do. I think this will be a close game and that it will take at least 30 ponts to win this game by either team. Therefore I'm calling for the OVER (53.5).

Good luck to all! And thanks to everybody for all the great info on this board. The RX is simply the best discussion site on the net.
 

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Great read and analysis, especially the part about the OK receivers vs. USC D-backs. This is definitely an advantage for OK; but USC has seen its fair share of good receivers this year, including 5 of the top 25 this year (Mark Clayton is 49th, but on a passing team he would certainly be a top 10 receiver). You also left out the fact USC has one of the best LB corp. in college football, which is part of the reason they have allowed less than 60 ypg rushing.

Another big advantage OK has over USC is the OK Dline vs. the USC Oline. Chow will offset this with quick hits to the TE's and Bush out of the backfield, but OK should take away most of the long pass plays.

Lots of people keep pointing to AP getting off against USC, but USC has already faced as good a running back (statistically better) in JJ Arrington. AP will get his yards, but he's not playing OK State or Tex A&M or Baylor.

I also think USC has better special teams, especially the kickers. I cannot believe OK is going with a freshman kicker with no field goal attempts in such a big game....that may play out huge.

You are a smart gambler to not bet with your heart. I bet on every Oregon State game, but I'm not afraid to play against them. I just know that team so well interms of strength and weakness, as you do with Oklahoma.

Good luck, it will be AWESOME
 

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Something tells me Chow will have Leinart more moblie in the pocket tonight. He knows he's going to have to do something about the Cody rush factor. They keep talking about the injury to Lendall White. I know he was hobbling around a week ago. But Caroll's been holding him out of practices for this one last game. I'm betting he's going to be ok. This guy really concerns me because I've seen him soften up too many defenses for Reggie Bush this year.
I forgot to mention about the USC linebacker corps. They are very good. I have no doubt their going to have some success stopping Peterson. Especially early in the game. But their big decisions are going to be to either put the full blitz on or hang back. You've got to gamble to beat this Sooner offense. There's no 2 ways about it. Your going to win a few and lose a few. That's why I think there's going to be some scoring tonight. Most likely on big plays. It's not like last year where LSU could just hang back and harass our receivers because they knew we didn't have a run game. USC has to watch the run. And Stoops has been known to really gamble and pull a few tricks out the hat in big games when you least expect it. He hasn't done much of that this year because he hasn't had to. He might have to tonight. USC too.
 

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Nice analysis definitely...but I disagree with the USC LB vs. OKL receiver bit... size and talent are two different things....I've watched some USC games and those LBs are talented....they throw around players a hundred pounds heavier than them and are extremely fast...just like the Patriots, coaching goes a long way....Leinart at the helm, USC by far....perhaps I'll eat my words after tonite..
 

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While the linebackers are busy thowing around the receivers what are they going to do about a handoff to Peterson? Or a quick out to Runnels. I guarantee you I haven't seen anybody throw Runnels around this year after he catches the ball. When linebackers hit him he keeps going forward.
 

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Obviously by your name I know whom you're betting ....I am completely unbiased and try to pick the better team...the truth is, USC is a superior team, with a far superior coaching staff than OKlahoma who has a reputation for choking in big games....White is NOT that great of a QB...definitely a product of the system...they can throw Joe Schmo in next year and he'll get nice stats... that's why he didn't win the Heismann, that's why he'll lose tonite...USC with the quick defense blitzing...,,white is gonna cry....
 

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Bruce...gosooners is the only level-headed Sooner fan infiltrating this board. Give him credit for a balanced opinion on this game. You will find lots of Soonerfans that will offer "Oklahoma is the best team EVER...." then run back to the barn to finish milking betty.
 

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He said he wasnt betting on OU, he was betting the total. And when did OU get the reputation for choking in big games? I know they played bad last year in the final 2 games, but they always show up for Texas, and they beat Florida St a few years ago for the championship. USC is a great team and may very well win, but it will be because they are good, not because OU chokes in my opinion. Im not touching the side, just looking forward to a great game.
 

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bruce78 said:
Obviously by your name I know whom you're betting ....I am completely unbiased and try to pick the better team...the truth is, USC is a superior team, with a far superior coaching staff than OKlahoma who has a reputation for choking in big games....White is NOT that great of a QB...definitely a product of the system...they can throw Joe Schmo in next year and he'll get nice stats... that's why he didn't win the Heismann, that's why he'll lose tonite...USC with the quick defense blitzing...,,white is gonna cry....
Bruce, USC may very well be a superior team. And I know they have a heck of a coaching staff as stated above. But to say White is "not that great of a QB just a product of the syestem" is ridicuolous. I get pretty sensitive when you start talking about a guy who's gone through the injuries he's had and put up the passing numbers he had in a short career. Part of the reason OU has got this far is because of the decisions he's made on the field. He didn't win the Heisman because Leinart was more valuable to his team this year. And nothing else. They both had about the same numbers passing. White still had a great year. But he isn't a product of any system. OU is a much different team offensively this year with Peterson back there. White hasn't had the passing numbers that he had last year because the running of the best running back in the country hasn't required him to throw as much. And it's taken much of the game off of his shoulders. As for choking in big games against highly ranked teams, I've only seen OU lose 3 big games under Stoops. At Nebraska 3 years ago and the 2 last games last year with K St. and LSU. Sorry but that doesn't hardly qualify OU as chokers. If OU or USC loses this game it's going to be because they got beat by a better team. And nothing else. And I don't think White is going to "cry". He's a solid player who's been in the college game for 6 years. If USC beats OU it won't be one guy they beat. It's going to have to be the whole team. Everybody always blames the QB. :nono5:
 

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GoSooners....I agree with you that White is a great story...u can make a movie about it....same as RUDY...but I stand by my comment that he is a product of the Oklahoma football system...sort of like Texas Tech or Florida State a coupla years back.....from my knowledge, scouts aren't exactly drooling over him like they do over Leinart...
 

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And Leinart would of been top 10 if he would have entered...let's put it this way, I'd put White in the Charlie Ward category rather than the Ben Roethlisberger category...
 

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It's too early to tell. Leinart is a big kid. Something like 6'4 or 6'5. He would be a good fit in the NFL. White is around 6'1 or 6'2. He might make a good journeyman QB. The NFL is looking for the big tall QB or a QB who's got the improvisational scrambling ability ala Michael Vick. White doesn't really fit into either category. But there are about 30 other QB's in the NFL that also don't fit that description. Plus they may not take him as early because of his past knee problems. But they say he's completely over his knee problems and is moving around faster than he did before he got hurt. It's a good thing since their playing USC tonight...LOL
 

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Leinart will be the 1st pick in the draft by SF if he comes out. White will not be drafted until Day 2 and toward the end of it....especially with Rogers and Smith coming out. His past injuries and average mobility and arm strength (at the NFL level) will hurt his stock.
 

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