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Gang Of Six Plan: A $3.1 Tril Tax Hike

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National Debt: No wonder President Obama has so heartily endorsed the "Gang of Six" deficit plan. Just like everything Obama has offered so far, it's short on details and long on tax hikes.

Soon after the "Gang of Six" — a bipartisan group of senators that has been trying for months to put together a deficit reduction plan — issued its new proposal, President Obama praised it as "a very significant step" that represents "the potential for bipartisan consensus."

What it really represents is Washington at its worst.

The "plan" Obama was praising isn't a plan at all, but a few pages of bullet points with vague concepts, promises of future cuts, and confusing, and at times contradictory, numbers.

And what details it does contain show that the gang has employed some of the most egregious budget tricks available to make the spending cuts look bigger and tax hikes smaller than they actually are.

The best example of this is the plan's tax proposal, which alternately boasts that it cuts taxes by $1.5 trillion and raises them by $1 trillion, but which more likely will result in taxes going up by more than $3 trillion.

According to the outline, the $1.5 trillion in "tax relief" is how the Congressional Budget Office would score the plan.

But what the gang conveniently leaves out is that the CBO's forecast has $4.6 trillion in tax hikes already baked into it. That's because the CBO baseline assumes all the Bush tax cuts get repealed, that every other temporary tax cut is left to expire, and that the alternative minimum tax continues to entrap millions more middle-class families each year.

Once you take that into account, the $1.5 trillion in "tax relief" turns instead into a $3.1 trillion tax increase over the next decade. (It's anyone's guess where the gang got its $1 trillion tax hike figure.)

The plan also boasts an "immediate" down payment of $500 billion in deficit reduction.

But there's nothing immediate about it at all.

These savings come mainly from a three-year cap on discretionary spending — never mind that such spending caps haven't ever worked in the past — as well as a change in the official inflation index that would cut annual Social Security benefit increases and impose a hidden tax on families by lowering the annual inflation adjustment to tax brackets.

The long-term plan doesn't appear any better.

The $2.6 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years might sound like a lot, but it amounts to a mere 5% of projected federal spending. And even calling it a "cut" is a misnomer, since federal spending would continue to climb over those years, just at a very slightly slower rate.

Even the gang's $3.7 trillion deficit reduction figure is hardly anything to boast about, since the plan would still add something like $5 trillion in debt on top of the $14 trillion we've already piled up.

To be fair, there are some good items on the gang's list, including tax reform that lowers and simplifies personal income tax rates, an end to the alternative minimum tax, and cuts to the corporate tax rate. And it at least acknowledges the need for entitlement reform.

But it's far from a credible debt reduction plan.

Any plan that counts on spending cuts in the future is bogus. History has shown time and again that those cuts never materialize.

Plus, most plans take current spending levels as a given, and make "cuts" off this hugely inflated base, ignoring the fact that federal spending has rocketed upward by an astonishing 24% in just the past three years.

A credible plan would bring spending as a share of the economy back to prerecession levels. That would mean a spending cut in the neighborhood of $450 billion next year.

In addition, changes in spending and taxes should be measured against today's levels, not against some baseline that assumes government gets bigger every year. Baseline budgeting gives politicians too many chances to fudge the numbers.

And while deficits and debt are important, what matters most is the size of the federal government and economic growth.

The bigger the government, the worse growth will be, no matter whether the budget is balanced. Since 1950, federal spending has averaged 20.8% of GDP. That should be the absolute upper limit on spending going forward, although we'd prefer it to be lower still.

The fact that more and more lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are willing to sign onto the phony Gang of Six plan, and that Obama would lend it his effusive praise, is a testament to why the country is in such deep fiscal trouble.
 

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I knew it was horrible once Obama gave it his blessing...unbelievable how the Repubes have sold out..and the Tea Party is very quiet.
 

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I knew it was horrible once Obama gave it his blessing...unbelievable how the Repubes have sold out..and the Tea Party is very quiet.

To my knowledge, not one of the congressmen who voted for the cut and cap plan has sold out (including the Tea Party). And once people realize they are attempting to reduce or eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, we'll see how much legs this thing has (I say good luck with that). You're going to see some serious civil unrest and I'm guessing I'll be part of that one.
 

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are you certain about allowing Bush tax cuts to expire meaning that this is an across the boards tax hike? If that's true, I retract my statement that the plan appears palatable.

I haven't heard anybody say that, and that would be one significant omission

furthermore, Cantor indicated the plan had promise. If the Bush tax cuts expire and what you say is true, it's DOA

do you have a link my friend?
 

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I found the article from IBD

I still can't believe that not one other organization is reporting on this

since no official documents have been released and there's no law to read, maybe there's a misunderstanding somewhere

if not, it's another great example of DC at it's absolute worst. All bullshit, all the time.
 

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Willie,

A very Liberal friend of mine (also an accountant) made a comment to me about 18 months ago that when Obama gets done, you will have two classes....rich and poor...the middle class will be eliminated. It's about the only thing we've agreed on and I think he was dead on with that prediction. In addition to letting the Bush tax cuts expire (and if I here one more fucking Liberals say "oh you mean the tax cuts for the rich", I'm pulling out my gun), the article I read on Yahoo claimed " It would reduce the tax breaks on mortgage interest, higher-cost health plans, charitable deductions (should do wonders for the poor), retirement savings and families with children." Could they really fuck over the Middle Class any more?!!!
 

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Willie,

A very Liberal friend of mine (also an accountant) made a comment to me about 18 months ago that when Obama gets done, you will have two classes....rich and poor...the middle class will be eliminated. It's about the only thing we've agreed on and I think he was dead on with that prediction. In addition to letting the Bush tax cuts expire (and if I here one more fucking Liberals say "oh you mean the tax cuts for the rich", I'm pulling out my gun), the article I read on Yahoo claimed " It would reduce the tax breaks on mortgage interest, higher-cost health plans, charitable deductions (should do wonders for the poor), retirement savings and families with children." Could they really fuck over the Middle Class any more?!!!


what are the odds that this chap, ultimately, goes postal and takes out 20 or so liberal co-workers?

anybody?
 

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You're going to see some serious civil unrest and I'm guessing I'll be part of that one.

:lolBIG:

FUCK THIS SHIT!! I can't deduct my mortgage interest anymore so I'm going to set some cop cars on fire!!!
 

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:lolBIG:

FUCK THIS SHIT!! I can't deduct my mortgage interest anymore so I'm going to set some cop cars on fire!!!

What's even funnier than that are dipshits like you that get so caught up in ideology that they couldn't care less about people's livelihood. Of course, we all have to consider the source.

20/1 on the postal thing Ricboff ;-)
 

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It is my understanding that Obama submitted a budget in February and that the Senate rejected it 97-0. At that point it is up to the Senate to come up with a budget of their own which they never did. Now Obama is a Dem the Senate is Dem majority. This started in February and NOW IT IS A CRISIS. Why, because the Dem's have to play politics, when it is their ball you have to play by their rules. Fact is it is not their ball because the Rep's have the House. Yes, the House proposed a budget and the Senate will not vote on it and the POTUS has already said he will veto it. Why, politics. The Dem's don't/can't live with a balanced budget much less reducing the deficit (which was created by both parties). Yet, now that we are in a CRISIS the Rep's come up with cut,cup balance and was still born politically. I am sick of the CRISIS bullshit. We have a do nothing POTUS, a do nothing Senate who seem to like playing the game of chicken over and over and still have the balls to blame the Rep's in the lame stream media.

As far as doing away with mortgage deductions that is ludicrous. What is the incentive to buy a home without that and we are already in a housing CRISIS. If one word defines the Obama administration it is CRISIS.
 

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I knew it was horrible once Obama gave it his blessing...unbelievable how the Repubes have sold out..and the Tea Party is very quiet.

how is this unbelievable? been going on for decades

little things like the tea party are simply invented to distract your attention while your elbows are on the table and the govt fist is pushed in another inch or two.
 

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how is this unbelievable? been going on for decades

little things like the tea party are simply invented to distract your attention while your elbows are on the table and the govt fist is pushed in another inch or two.

we shall see about the TP RT. I'm thinking (hoping) they're a new breed and they will not support the tax increases and ongoing BS
 

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you've more faith than I, Willie. I know guys like Rand and Ron will stand firm but the others need to get that 2nd term and will concede. exactly why i never bought into the TP thing but they can prove me wrong right here
 

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So far it’s just a wet dream. Nothing on paper. It’s impossible for it to be relevant by Aug 2.

My fear is another short term deal that would allow it to grow some appendages. If that happens I will be the first to crucify the Republican controlled House.

Now is the time to shit or get off the pot.
 

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you've more faith than I, Willie. I know guys like Rand and Ron will stand firm but the others need to get that 2nd term and will concede. exactly why i never bought into the TP thing but they can prove me wrong right here

I tend to be an eternal optimist

not always a strength, but I'm told I'll live long
 

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you've more faith than I, Willie. I know guys like Rand and Ron will stand firm but the others need to get that 2nd term and will concede. exactly why i never bought into the TP thing but they can prove me wrong right here

They were hired, so to speak, to get the job done. A great way to be fired (not get that 2nd term) is to fold.

I’m keeping the faith until proven wrong.
 

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Sooner or later there will have to be a viable third party. R&D are way too far apart and the gap is expanding, leaving too many people out. Don't think it will be the Tea Party though.
 

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