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Well…at least until next season. We'll all miss football until then.

Carolina -4.5
Carolina 1H -3

I had Denver last week vs. New England, and even though it paid off, the game left me with lots of doubts about just how good this Bronco team is. Have watched Carolina and Denver in both playoff games, and other games during the season. I have also watched Seattle play a lot, and a few Arizona games(besides their playoff games). So much of this play is from the my personal eye-test of watching football.

I looked at all the ways I could take Denver here, and I just can't come up with enough reasons to do that, not even with 4.5 points. And remember only 5 teams have lost and yet covered in SB history, so the odds are that the winner will also cover the spread. I tried to list my reasons for taking Carolina in order of their influence on the outcome.

1) It's not Manning's weaker arm that would concern me if I was on Denver, it's his almost complete lack of mobility. He can make up for lack of arm strength with his timing, touch and QB acumen. But there's nothing he can do about how slow he is and how easy a target he can be sitting in the pocket. Manning has looked okay during the playoffs, was hurt by dropped passes in the Pitt game, but I think he'll be a detriment here against a very good Panther front 7. And I'm not impressed with the Bronco running game or their run blocking. Denver's offense, since mid-season has not had a dynamic run game and that hurts them here with a pocket QB who is not a threat to run.

2) This 2nd factor cannot be overlooked, and yet by my eye-test has been a huge difference-maker. That's the Carolina OL. Cam has the escapibility to not always need great pass protection, but does it seem like he's been getting it in these 2 playoff games? He looks like he is sitting there for many seconds waiting for his receivers to get open. Or he moves around the pocket and finds a receiver. Or he rolls out and finds a receiver. Either way, Carolina's offense not only has a large QB advantage, but their OL is both run blocking well, and giving Newton enough time to connect on long and medium pass plays.

3) The designed QB run plays by Carolina, the run/ pass option, the spread-run offense- whatever you call it- is a headache for defenses and I THINK a large reason why Carolina has been winning so often, and sometimes winning big. Having to account for the QB on run plays could be the one thing that keeps Denver's great defensive ends from overcommitting to the rush, and negating a bit their effectiveness. Whatever OC Shula has done with this offense, it is working. Which leads me to #4...

4) Dominating Seattle and Arizona at a combined 55-7 1st half score might be unprecedented. Despite what some say about how those 2 teams played poorly or weren't very good, they're wrong. Prior to the playoffs, the odds as to who would be the NFL champ were: #1 Arizona at about 4-1, #2 New England at about 9-2, and #3 Seattle at about 5-1 (and Carolina at #4 at about 11-2). That's the experts (the bookmakers) saying that, not the dude who says a team sucks after they lose a game. Seattle was peaking in the 2nd half of the season and Arizona was considered the favorite to win it all- probably because they were the most well rounded team with no major weaknesses. The Panthers could not have done anything more except dominate- which they did. This team is 22-2 in their last 24 games. Very hard to do in the NFL. Denver's 2nd half was not that impressive, but their D kept them in many games. And though Seattle came back in the 2nd half of their playoff game with Carolina, I think the Carolina coaches learned their lesson and won't get too conservative offensively or defensively as evidenced by the crushing they gave the Cardinals in their 2nd half.

5) Denver's defense is better, but it's not a huge edge. Mostly because their secondary is better. But I think Carolina's potent offense negates that edge. And Carolina's defense works hard at getting turnovers, which they are succeeding at. Carolina's D has an easier job going against this Bronco offense, so overall, I like Carolina when they have the ball better than Denver with the ball.

6) Do people hate Cam Newton so much that they can't EVER lay a bet on the Panthers? His celebrations are only annoying because QBs are supposed to celebrate with more dignity- like a fist pump or throwing their hands up in some way. Okay, so Cam celebrates like a wide receiver. He looks like an ass out there, but I can live with it as long as he's winning and I have money on Carolina. Besides, as Cam says," He's having fun." And on that subject, I also like how Carolina plays "loose". They do look like they're having fun, and I think that could eliminate some of the nervousness in such big games.
* Perhaps others think Ron Rivera is a mediocre coach. Maybe he is, but right now this team of his is….

7) Peaking. Just my opinion(but it seems obvious) that Carolina has upped their game in the playoffs. They also upped their game at times during the season, winning 8 games by 10 or more points. And since they have won so easily their first 2 playoff games, have we seen the entire Panther playbook out there? I don't think so. As much as I like the Bronco defense, this could be another factor that negates some of their effectiveness.

8) Is the NFC a better conference at the top? 3 of the top 4 teams favored to win the SB were NFC teams. Just my eye-test again, but I would favor more of the eliminated NFC playoff teams over the eliminated AFC teams. Of course the AFC teams seemed to have more injuries. And the lower tier NFC teams are an ugly bunch.

I know many would like to see a storybook ending with classy Peyton Manning going out with a SB win, but this VERY good Panther team doesn't care one whit about that. And storybook endings don't often work out if you remember: a) the Giants knocking off the perfect season Pats back in 2007 b) A few years later, the Pats get revenge on the Giants-NOT c) Wasn't Peyton going out with a SB win two years ago when Seattle embarrassed Denver? d) Seattle was poised to win a 2nd consecutive SB last year(which is becoming harder to do). Another storybook with an unhappy ending.

This year, the disliked QB wins over the one of the greatest. It's more evidence of the changing of the game with mobile QBs that can also pass. And in this game, it'll be a huge edge that should help Carolina win(and cover).
 

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mighty damn good points there fred. gl bud
Thanks. I also expect Thomas Davis will play as his fracture is only one bone and will not inhibit the movement in his elbow or wrist. He'll wear a protective shield similar to what other players have used in the past. His inspirational effect might be better than his play at LB, but we'll see. Davis is a gamer.

Also, the Bronco secondary is a bit banged up, especially CB Chris Harris. With 2 weeks, though, he'll play for sure.
 

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Lots of books hitting -6. Opened at 3.5. The books have to be a little worried about getting hammered on a middle.
 

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RB Stewart and Thomas Davis both back practicing. Playing a little extra on the -7 line (+125).
 

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why dont u just bet car ht and car wins the game ... currently -118 at 5dimes.
 

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You might be right, but there is a possibility that AZ gave Carolina the game... all those turnovers. And that Carson Palmer's finger was screwed up, he tried to compensate and was off just enough to be awful. They say he was sore (ribs, chest?) going into the game from overcompensating.
And that Seattle was asleep the first quarter and a half, everything went wrong before Seattle began playing for real.
Again I think you are probably right, I also think Carolina can win 48-17 but Denver cannot.
We shall see good luck.
 

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You might be right, but there is a possibility that AZ gave Carolina the game... all those turnovers. And that Carson Palmer's finger was screwed up, he tried to compensate and was off just enough to be awful. They say he was sore (ribs, chest?) going into the game from overcompensating.
And that Seattle was asleep the first quarter and a half, everything went wrong before Seattle began playing for real.
Again I think you are probably right, I also think Carolina can win 48-17 but Denver cannot.
We shall see good luck.
Appreciate the feedback, and here's my reply: I can completely respect a bettor for taking Denver for a number or reasons(great defense, they beat the Patriots, decent schedule, etc.), but...

THE ABSOLUTE 2 WORST REASONS FOR NOT TAKING CAROLINA

1) They played an easy schedule and somehow Seattle and Arizona played sooo badly that Carolina doesn't deserve much credit for those wins or their 17-1 record.
Complete horse shit. Arizona and Seattle were #1 and #3 favorites to be this year's NFL champs- and those odds are for right before the playoffs started. They looked so bad vs. the Panthers BECAUSE they were dominated. They didn't give away anything. I can't believe how many times I've read on this forum and other places about how Carolina hasn't played anyone this year. This is the NFL, not the NCAA! Every game is a war. NFL players are among the fastest, biggest, strongest and most athletic people in the world. Anyone of us would get pulverized playing in one quarter of an NFL game. The parity is there to the point where even the best teams, on the road, are favored over the worst teams by less than a TD. Carolina is 6-0 vs. playoff teams this year. What more could they do? They also won 9 of those games by 10 points or more.

All that being said, I am so glad some bettors believe that and take Denver. It keeps the point spreads reasonable, and gives me confidence that some bettors on the other side don't have a clue.

2) Cam Newton is all about showboating or celebrating, and a classy pro like Peyton Manning will go out in style winning the last game of his NFL career.
This one is even more absurd than the 1st reason. We old-timers appreciate humility and respect those pros that celebrate modestly. And yes Cam looks like a fool out there sometimes. But none of that detracts from the fact that he is a great NFL QB that can do things the other 90% of NFL QBs can't do. He's extremely competitive, a proven winner, talented in a multitude of ways, has matured as a QB, learned the NFL game, and is appreciated for being a very good teammate. As Richard Sherman said(and I'm paraphrasing): If you get to the end zone in an NFL game, you've got the right to celebrate. You've worked hard as a professional athlete. I agree. Cam's celebrating and hamming it up doesn't detract ONE IOTA from his ability to compete.

And as I said earlier in this thread, no one on Carolina's defense cares about Peyton Manning going out in style. They DO want to put him on his ass though. A 30 year old Peyton would be a lot better, if I'm a Denver rooter, than the Peyton we're seeing now. Once again, I am so glad that friends and acquaintances and Denver bettors hate Cam so much that they are laying their cash on the Broncos for this reason. Keeps the lines down, and is reason number 2 why some people bet without a clue.
 

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So much fussing about Brandon Lang, Colin Cowherd, Cousin Sal and other touts and media hounds. If this influences your wagering, keep it small. They are nothing but a distraction to which side, or wager, you should take.

But if you like Carolina, consider this: We all know how crucial the QB is to an NFL team. Peyton Manning, by QBR ranking was 28th in the NFL. If his name wasn't Peyton Manning, would we really want our Super Bowl team to be led by a guy who is 39 years old, with 11 TDs, 17 interceptions, whose longest run this year(until last week's 12 yard run vs. NE) was -1 yards. A QB's PAA is pts. contributed to the offense, and is measured with the average QBR of all NFL quarterbacks. Peyton's is a -5.7. He is ranked below Kapernick and Bortles, but right above Blaine Gabbert.

It's not all his fault, though. His OL is somewhat rebuilt this year, and missing its best player LT Ryan Clady. Pro Football Focus ranked the Broncos OL 21st in run blocking and 23rd in pass blocking. Carolina's is ranked 4th overall, and they've looked terrific in their first 2 playoff games. I think Denver is overvalued because of Manning's past reputation. If he looked as slow and immobile as we've seen, with those stats and that weak-ass arm, and his name was Bob Smith, would we really think the Denver offense was going to show much on Sunday? No. Carolina should be favored by 7 and we're getting a bargain! And if Manning has a great game Sunday, and the Broncos win, I'll gladly eat my words. But my point #1 stands- Manning will hurt his team more than help his team.

On the subject of quarterback ratings, Carolina beat the #1(Carson Palmer) and the #3 (Russell Wilson) ranked QBs in the playoffs. They also beat the 4 other playoff teams they faced during the regular season by a combined 47 points. And it's just my judgement, and other might agree, but Cam looks better now than he did EVEN from the beginning of the 2015 season.
 

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Fred...........appreciate all your time, effort and thoughts this past season...........thank you and good luck............indy
 

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Fred...........appreciate all your time, effort and thoughts this past season...........thank you and good luck............indy
Good luck to you Indy. The write-ups help me think through a play, and whether it's $ worthy or not.
 

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o fred huge card for you wishing you the bol on your plays and congrats on another season yup



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good luck tonight all! Fred- what do you think about the under/over?
 

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I could go either way on the total, but I just don't think it's as predictable as the side play on Carolina. Does Carolina win 34-17 or 24-10? Doesn't matter to me. I just foresee them dominating the game and a few lucky plays would more likely alter the total than the side.
 

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i agree with your observations. Also, it's so hard to watch the game when playing the under, especially we know what Carolina can do. What makes it even harder to pick the over is how strong both defenses are. Carolina definitely has the quarterback advantage to win the game decidedly.
 

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