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Wondering what the big deal was about, I went to my local used book store and bought a copy of the DaVinci Code./

As far as works of fiction go, it was an ok read, but it's barely entertaining and not as good as I was expecting - especially after all of the positive press.

The premise of the book is that Jesus was married and had kids, and that his ancestors are alive and kicking. Of course, if Jesus was married and had kids, he couldn't therefore be divine. And the Catholic Church would commit murder to hide such a secret.(I won't tell you more in case you want to read the book or watch the movie).

I assume the left loves the novel because it surmises that Jesus was just a man and not divine, and the Catholic Church was built on a false premise and is really an evil organization.

The book continually hypes the "sacred feminine" and disses the gnostics as selfish liars foisting a fraud on humanity.

All in all, the book gets a C+ or B- for entertainment value, and the left wing media gets a D- for hyping the book as fact rather than fiction.

I'll probably watch the movie when it makes it to tv.
 

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I assume the left loves the novel because it surmises that Jesus was just a man and not divine, and the Catholic Church was built on a false premise and is really an evil organization.

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I assume the left loves the novel because it surmises that Jesus was just a man and not divine, and the Catholic Church was built on a false premise and is really an evil organization.

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Thats rather ignorant.

Perhaps the Catholics should put their anger over a FICTION movie to better use by stopping the pedofile priests.
 

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That is quite an assumption BB. Who hyped the book as fact?

On the very first page of the book the author states that the organizations actually exist as described and "all descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate". Although he doesn't state that the theme of the book is true - he also doesn't debunk it as fiction.

then there are articles such as the following:

Christians try to debunk 'Da Vinci Code'
[FONT=times new roman, times, serif]By Mark O'Keefe
Newhouse News Service
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After reading "The Da Vinci Code," Holly Jespersen wondered if Jesus Christ did in fact wed Mary Magdalene and father her child, as the novel claims.
"It definitely made me question all that I have been brought up to believe," said Jespersen, a Presbyterian who lives in Chicago.
Glen Gracia of Boston, a former practicing Catholic, had a similar reaction, questioning the validity of the Bible if, in fact, it was commissioned and manipulated by the Roman emperor Constantine for political purposes, as the book asserts. "I was basically floored," Gracia said.
Alarmed by reactions like these, defenders of traditional Christianity have launched a counteroffensive against author Dan Brown's fast-paced thriller, which is in its 48th week on The New York Times' fiction best-seller list. It has sold more than 6 million copies, is being translated into more than 40 languages and will be made into a Columbia Pictures film directed by Ron Howard.
Brown has stopped giving interviews. But on the book's first page, he makes an assertion that galls his critics: "All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate."
Books and articles with titles like "Dismantling the Da Vinci Code" and "The Da Vinci Deception" have been or are about to be published. Preachers are giving sermons to church members who ask why they were never told there was a Mrs. Jesus. Web sites and discussion groups are humming over the book's "heresies."
In Seattle, about 500 people turned out Thursday night to hear the Rev. Michael Raschko, a theology professor at Seattle University, "help us separate fantasy from truth" about the book, according to a brochure circulated by parishioners from St. James Cathedral. The discussion was scheduled to be held at St. James but was moved across the street to a larger venue.
On Wednesday night, a similar forum on "the reality behind the fiction" has been scheduled at First Presbyterian Church of Bellevue. Some of the country's most influential clerics are joining in a collective Christian outcry. <!--AB IF="Story_Ads"-->

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle><!------ OAS AD 'Middle3' begin ------><SCRIPT language=JavaScript><!--OAS_AD('Middle3');//--></SCRIPT>http://ads.nwsource.com/RealMedia/a...0506f_1c.gif/63373264336531363432636434663930 <!------ OAS AD 'Middle3' end ------></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!--AB ENDIF="Story_Ads"-->In The Catholic New World, the Archdiocese of Chicago's newspaper, Cardinal Francis George calls the book "a work of bizarre religious imaginings" based on "a facade of scholarship" that exploits "gullibility for conspiracy."

When "The Da Vinci Code" was released last March, church leaders paid little attention. Brown was an obscure author, this wasn't the first time a novel had taken shots at Christianity — and it was, after all, fiction.
But as the book became a publishing phenomenon, religious leaders noticed that readers were taking the novel's historical claims as fact. "Jesus, Mary and Da Vinci," a November ABC special that seriously explored Brown's themes, made clear that this was a cultural force to be reckoned with.
Yet where some Christian leaders perceive a threat, others see an opportunity.
The book has sparked interest in early Christian history, with public fascination of topics like the Council of Nicea in 325.
"It's only a threat if people read this fictional book naively, don't think critically about it and don't pursue truth," said the Rev. Mark Roberts, pastor of Irvine Presbyterian Church in Irvine, Calif. The plot centers on the search for the "Holy Grail" by a brilliant Harvard symbologist and a French cryptologist, who follow clues in the work of Leonardo Da Vinci.
For example, the feminine-looking person on Christ's right in Da Vinci's "The Last Supper" is supposedly not the apostle John, as is conventionally assumed, but Magdalene, described in the New Testament as a woman who had seven demons cast out of her, followed Christ and was the first to see him after his resurrection.
As the clues lead them through the museums and cathedrals of Europe, Brown's protagonists discover a centuries-old conspiracy, advanced by a patriarchal Roman Catholic Church bent on covering up the truth about the feminine roots of Christianity and the formative effect of its predecessor, pagan goddess worship.
Opus Dei, a Catholic organization based in New York, is portrayed as particularly sinister, with a corrupt bishop directing a devout albino assassin to do his dirty work.
George and other Catholics have accused Brown of prejudicially tapping into the public's suspicion of the Catholic hierarchy after the church's sex-abuse scandal.
"If someone were to say this is just a cute story, that would be fine," said Brian Finnerty, communications director for Opus Dei. "But to present this book as historical is fundamentally dishonest."
The greatest protest has been over the negative portrayal of central Christian beliefs, including:
• Christ's divinity. Brown writes that Constantine collated the Bible, omitting some 80 gospels emphasizing Christ's human traits in favor of four that made him God. This was supposedly done at the Council of Nicea, "in a relatively close vote."
But the actual vote was 300-2, said Paul Maier, professor of ancient history at Western Michigan University, and it did not determine Christ's divinity. That was attested to much earlier "by many New Testament passages, as well as by the earliest Christians and all the church fathers, even if there was some disagreement as to the precise nature of that deity," Maier said.
The Council of Nicea "did not debate over whether Jesus was only mortal or divine, but whether he was created or eternal."
• The Bible's inerrancy. Peter Jones, co-author of "Cracking the Da Vinci Code," says that in trying to establish that the Bible was cooked by Constantine and his cronies, Brown overlooks the fact that four-fifths of what is now called the New Testament was deemed divinely inspired in the first century — two centuries before Constantine and the Council of Nicea.
• Christ's celibacy. Even feminist scholars such as Karen King, a Harvard professor and leading authority on early non-biblical texts about Magdalene, have said there is no evidence Christ was married to Magdalene or to anyone else.
George and other traditionalists treat the claim as absurd. "All those martyrs the first 300 years, they were covering up the fact that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene? Why in heaven's name would someone go to their death to protect that secret? It's absurd."
The controversy leaves Jespersen confused. She is "still absolutely convinced that Christ is God," but thought Brown made a compelling argument that Jesus was married. Jespersen plans to attend an upcoming discussion on the book. Regardless of what she learns, she's glad she read it, calling it a conversation piece that "has encouraged me to question what I have always accepted, just because it is what I was taught."
 

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Thats rather ignorant.

Perhaps the Catholics should put their anger over a FICTION movie to better use by stopping the pedofile priests.

I'm not Catholic, and I make my statement about the left liking the book as an "assumption", since I didn't find the novel to be as good as I expected.
 

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I think it's funny to see the fundies get their panties all in a bunch over this. Sorry, I can't help it. It's amusing.

And I think you meant that his descendants are alive, not his ancestors, as they would rather old by now.
 

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Kind of like The Blair Witch Project. As to the media, trying to make it appear as fact, one robin does not a spring make.
 

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So when I see Jesus working the cash Wendy's, are you saying he could be Jesus the 98th?
 

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Arent Christians who get heated about this book/movie really no better than the Muslims who criticized the cartoons.Maybe a little better as I dont see riots happening over the DaVinci Code.Obviously the Muslims fundamentalism and strict adherence to ancient beliefs caused them to overreact but its still in the same vein IMO.
 

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To be honest, I don't care much one way or another about the criticisms - Any Christian who isn't comfortable in his faith might find the book worrisome, otherwise most Christians won't see it as more than the fiction that it is - some might even like it; and the left is playing it up in their never ending complaint against Christianity; and the world continues to turn.

I was just making a comment on the hype for a book that, IMO, didn't live up to its reputation.
 

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I read the book and will see the movie. It's a piece of fiction, much like the Bible. It offers a different perspective on the tired old male centered tale.
The boys in robes and silly hats don't want the ladies getting any credit, that's all.
 

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BB, haven't read it yet. Plan on doing so soon. Premise sounds interesting. Am hearing dissapointing things about the flick. Too bad. With Hanks and Howard involved, was hoping for something special.
 

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Arent Christians who get heated about this book/movie really no better than the Muslims who criticized the cartoons.Maybe a little better as I dont see riots happening over the DaVinci Code.Obviously the Muslims fundamentalism and strict adherence to ancient beliefs caused them to overreact but its still in the same vein IMO.

Comparing Muslims to Christians is like comparing butterflies to killer bees.

There are Christians who get heated at any implied insult or criticism to their church. These Christians will write about and vocalize their anger - and it ends there.

The Muslims riot and blow people up and create all kinds of murder and mayhem at the mildest criticism.

Of course, this is another tactic the left uses, as though any comparison can raise up the Muslims from their barbarous ways, or lower the Christians from their civilzed manner.
 

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Judge Wapner said:
BB, haven't read it yet. Plan on doing so soon. Premise sounds interesting. Am hearing dissapointing things about the flick. Too bad. With Hanks and Howard involved, was hoping for something special.

We all have different tastes - maybe you'll enjoy the read - but don't open the book with high expectations - you might suffer a let down.
 

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It's rare I have time to read, let alone a novel. If it doesn't hook me in the first quarter, probably won't finish it.
 

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Judge Wapner said:
BB, haven't read it yet. Plan on doing so soon. Premise sounds interesting. Am hearing dissapointing things about the flick. Too bad. With Hanks and Howard involved, was hoping for something special.
Read the book and/or watch the movie with an open mind. I think you'll find it interesting unless your feet are stuck in clay on the religion thing.
 

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JR, will do. Nah the religious thing won't bother me. Just looking for good entertainment.
 

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