The Cold (stare) War: Obama and Putin exchange an icy glance as they clink champagne glasses after dueling UN speeches

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Showdown: Obama gives Putin an icy stare during luncheon toast after dueling UN speeches over Syria, ISIS and Ukraine


  • Putin shamed of the United States for attempting to 'export' its version of democracy to Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011
  • Obama slapped Putin for supporting Syrian 'tyrant' Bashar al-Assad, who he said 'drops barrel bombs to massacre innocent children'
  • They are scheduled to meet in private later today, but they came face-to-face today a luncheon for world leaders
  • The two heads of state have not had a formal, in-person conversation since Russian separatists invaded Eastern Ukraine last year
  • Top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, John McCain, says Obama is playing 'right into Putin's hands' in taking the meeting
By FRANCESCA CHAMBERS, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 08:29, 28 September 2015 | UPDATED: 21:37, 28 September 2015


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COLD WAR: U.S. President Barack Obama and Russia President Vladimir Putin clinked glasses during a toast by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon this afternoon. Putin looked pleased with himself as Obama diplomatically touched his glass and gave his an icy state


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Obama and Putin fought for the soul of the United Nations this morning in dueling General Assembly speeches centered on the bloodshed in Iraq and Syria


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STRAINED: The relationship between Obama and Putin frosted over last year when Russian-backed separatists invaded Ukraine. After their dueling speeches today, they sat at the same table during a luncheon for world leaders. Later, they's meet privately

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In his speech, which came after Obama's, Putin shamed of the United States for attempting to 'export' its version of democracy to Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011



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Russian equipment such as tanks and artillery pieces have already been delivered to the Assad regime, and satellite images released over the weekend seem to suggest jets and helicopters have also appeared


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Obumbles is so far out of his league, they don't even consider it the same sport.
 

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Trump backs Russia, Iran efforts to fight Islamic State

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Leading Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday said he supported Russian efforts to fight Islamic State militants in the Middle East, including Syria.

Asked whether he backed those like Russia who supported Syrian President Bashar al Assad or those who see him as the source of Syria's current crisis, Trump told NBC's "Today" program: "I side with the group that says 'if Russia wants to go and fight ISIS, you should let them', as opposed to saying 'we're jealous, we don't want you to do that'."
:):)

Trump, who is leading public opinion polls among those seeking the Republican Party's bid to win the White House in the 2016 election, said the United States should support those who want to destroy the militant group that has taken over swaths of Syria as well as neighboring Iraq.

Republicans have criticized Democratic U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy in Syria, which has been mired in civil war for four years and has seen an influx of Islamic State militants.

Asked about whether Assad was the source of the country's ills, Trump said it was not clear and questioned who would replace him if he were ousted.

"The people that want to come in and replace Assad, nobody knows who they are and they could end up being worse," he said. "We're constantly going out and siding with people and they turn out to be worse than the people who were there before."

(This version of the story was refiled to fix punctuation in quote in paragraph two)

(Reporting by Washington Newsroom)

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-backs-russia-iran-efforts-fight-islamic-state-123723558.html
 

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Trump backs Russia, Iran efforts to fight Islamic State

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Leading Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump on Tuesday said he supported Russian efforts to fight Islamic State militants in the Middle East, including Syria.

Asked whether he backed those like Russia who supported Syrian President Bashar al Assad or those who see him as the source of Syria's current crisis, Trump told NBC's "Today" program: "I side with the group that says 'if Russia wants to go and fight ISIS, you should let them', as opposed to saying 'we're jealous, we don't want you to do that'."
:):)

Trump, who is leading public opinion polls among those seeking the Republican Party's bid to win the White House in the 2016 election, said the United States should support those who want to destroy the militant group that has taken over swaths of Syria as well as neighboring Iraq.

Republicans have criticized Democratic U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy in Syria, which has been mired in civil war for four years and has seen an influx of Islamic State militants.

Asked about whether Assad was the source of the country's ills, Trump said it was not clear and questioned who would replace him if he were ousted.

"The people that want to come in and replace Assad, nobody knows who they are and they could end up being worse," he said. "We're constantly going out and siding with people and they turn out to be worse than the people who were there before."

(This version of the story was refiled to fix punctuation in quote in paragraph two)

(Reporting by Washington Newsroom)

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-backs-russia-iran-efforts-fight-islamic-state-123723558.html


Don Trump, again on the right track.
 

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Yeah, if that was REALLY why Russia is there. Russia is there to exert its influence and expand its power base. If that coincides with fighting ISIS better for Russia. Russia doesn't have a Shia Muslim problem anyway. It has a Sunni Muslim problem. Putin is a Dickhead. Obama is a Loser.
 

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The U.S. cannot pass Syria on to Putin

By David Ignatius

Published Sept. 30, 2015

Between the lines of President Obama's comments on Syria at the United Nations on Monday, you could hear a sad admission of failure: The United States hasn't been able to organize a winning strategy to deal with the Islamic State. Maybe we should let Russian President Vladimir Putin try his hand.

Obama's speech had two signature comments. The United States has learned over the past decade that it "cannot by itself impose stability on a foreign land." And in the Syrian quagmire, "The United States is prepared to work with any nation, including Russia and Iran, to resolve the conflict."

Enter Vladimir, stage left. Putin's own U.N. speech contained a bitter rebuke to the United States for working to decapitate regimes in Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya without having the ability to restore order. "Do you realize what you have done?" he asked icily. He targeted the contradictions in a U.S. policy that proclaims Syrian President Bashar al-Assad must go but that hasn't yet created any practical alternative to the rampaging Islamic State.

"Russia has played a horrible hand brilliantly. We folded what could have been a pretty good hand," argues Ryan Crocker, a retired U.S. diplomat who has served in nearly every hot spot in the Middle East and is among the nation's wisest analysts of the region. "The Russians were able to turn a defensive position into an offensive one because we were so completely absent."

Russia isn't likely to have any more military success in Syria and Iraq than has the United States. But for now, Putin is certainly winning the perception game. The danger is that regional powers will view recent events as a full-blown U.S. retreat, like the withdrawal of an exhausted Britain in 1971 from its military garrisons "east of Suez," which was seen as the last gasp of the British Empire.

Moscow's military intervention comes as the United States is reckoning with its setbacks in Syria and Iraq in combating the Islamic State. A frank assessment was presented in congressional testimony in June by the Rand Corp.'s Linda Robinson.

The Rand analyst's judgments were devastating: The Iraqi security forces, the main pillar of U.S. strategy there, "are not at present an effective force." The Kurdish peshmerga are "capable" but in "defensive mode" and "not the silver bullet that some would wish them to be." Sunni tribal forces are "still nascent." In Syria, the U.S. "train and equip" force is "absolutely too little, too late."

Robinson concluded politely that U.S. strategy needs "adjustments" — either drawing in new partners, adding more unilateral U.S. forces or moving to a more limited containment strategy that amounts to periodically "mowing the grass."

Given these reversals for U.S. policy, should the Obama administration simply accede to Moscow? That would be a significant mistake, in my view. For all of Putin's vainglorious boasting, the Russians can't defeat the Islamic State. Quite the contrary, Russian intervention (in partnership with Iran) may fuel the Sunni insurgency even more. And if U.S. military partners in the region — such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey and even Israel — really think Washington has ceded the ground to Moscow, the region could become even more chaotic.

Obama still has several potent, relatively low-risk options, if he'll use them. The United States and its allies can impose "safe zones" in northern and southern Syria to allow humanitarian assistance and greater security. Opposition leader Walid al-Zoubi said Monday in Washington that if such zones were established, the opposition would work with Syrian government organizations to restore basic services. These safe zones would recognize the reality that Assad cannot control more than half of Syria's territory, even with Russian bombs.

While Russia talks, the United States can also step up the fight against the Islamic State. It should urgently increase support to the 25,000 Syrian Kurdish forces and 5,000 Sunni tribal fighters north of Raqqa. These are motivated, committed fighters. Even Putin conceded Monday that the Syrian Kurds "are truly fighting the Islamic State and other terrorist organizations in Syria." They deserve more American help.

As Putin proclaimed Russia's "growing ambitions" in the Middle East, did we perhaps hear a faint echo of George W. Bush on the eve of his 2003 Iraq invasion? The law of unintended consequences works for Russia, too.

The best outcome would be for Putin to realize, now that he has ostentatiously shouldered the burden of combating Islamic extremism, that his only real chance of success is a diplomatic settlement that begins the "managed transition" to a post-Assad Syria. Otherwise, he has begun a painful misadventure.
 

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"The people that want to come in and replace Assad, nobody knows who they are and they could end up being worse," he said. "We're constantly going out and siding with people and they turn out to be worse than the people who were there before." Donald Trump

That’s exactly what happened in Egypt. Mubarack had to go.

Enter the Obama backed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood.

And out of the frying pan and into the fire Egypt went.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana
 

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"The people that want to come in and replace Assad, nobody knows who they are and they could end up being worse," he said. "We're constantly going out and siding with people and they turn out to be worse than the people who were there before." Donald Trump

That’s exactly what happened in Egypt. Mubarack had to go.

Enter the Obama backed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood.

And out of the frying pan and into the fire Egypt went.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana


You beat me to the punch! Obama is 0 for 2 siding with Muslim
Extremists vs. relatively secular dictators in Libya & Egypt.
Listening to his SORORITY of EXPERTS Susan Rice, Samantha
Powers, Mrs. Clinton, Victoria Nuland & Valerie Jarett surely
helped this indecivise individual proceed in the wrong direction.
Obama doesn't want to go 0 for 3 though his policy is the overthrow
of Assad.

Why do the minorities in Syria side with Assad because the Druze, Christian,
Turkmen & Armenians realize they have been protected minorities by Assad
& will be far better off under his rule than an Radical Fundamentalist Islamic
caliphate which is the most likely scenario if Assad falls.

In comes Russia with it's own special interests to prop up Assad and stop
in it's tract the ISIS invasion. I fail to see what is wrong with that.
 

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It looks like the Russians plan on taking out the Free Syrian Army before
it sets its sights on demolishing ISIS. The Free Syrian Army which Obama
was planning on spending 1/2 billion US dollars to shore up is a mirage.
The Ferguson Police Force which couldn't stand up to rebellious blacks
could take down the Free Syrian Army. Russia will make quick work on
this useless bunch and then eliminate the ISIS threat in Syria once & for all
and the world will be better off.
 

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John Kerry...what a bumbling fucking nitwit. Even his face has a completely clueless expression. Rather than calling out Putin and Lavrov for their cockamamie horseshit, he effectively just gave them the green light to continue bombing our allies.

If you missed it, here's a brief summary of his statements:

"Uhh, we're presently looking for a solution to deescalate this situation since Russia told us to get the fuck out of their way. So the Stuttering Clusterfuck and I are just running out the clock on our time in office. So I guess Putin can, uhh, pretty much do whatever he wants."
 

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"The people that want to come in and replace Assad, nobody knows who they are and they could end up being worse," he said. "We're constantly going out and siding with people and they turn out to be worse than the people who were there before." Donald Trump

That’s exactly what happened in Egypt. Mubarack had to go.

Enter the Obama backed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood.

And out of the frying pan and into the fire Egypt went.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana

Dave, the world is fortunate enough right now that Egypt is run by its military, who is fighting global terror groups. Another plus is security cooperation between Egypt/Israel/US is at the highest levels ever. There are still 3 problems in Egypt though that existed under Mubarek and Morsi's Sunni Shariaites that subsist today - The people are ruled. They are 50% unemployed with no prospects. And generally they are really stupid:
Poll: Egyptians View Israel as Most Hostile State - Ro Yeger (Jerusalem Post)
Egyptian public perception views Israel as the most hostile state, according to a poll conducted in May 2015 and reported by the Egyptian Center for Public Opinion Research on Tuesday analyzing the perceived hostility or friendliness of 26 countries.
Saudi Arabia was found to be the most friendly country toward Egypt, followed by the UAE.
Israel was ranked as the most hostile country, with the U.S. second.
Earlier this month, a high-level Egyptian source said that relations between Israel and Egypt are perhaps the best they've ever been, because of ongoing security coordination.
 

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True Story: A group of Egyptian tech students were invited to visit Intel in Israel. Many were shocked that Israelis look the same as other people.
 

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