The choice gets clearer - John Kerry next president

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The first 45 minutes of the final presidential debate of the 2004 campaign were goofy and unfocused, with George W. Bush offering counsel on when to get flu shots and John Kerry explaining how much he respects Catholic bishops who have effectively suggested that it would be a sin to vote for him.



Only when the question of Social Security came up did the discourse start to get interesting. Finally, Kerry and Bush distinguished themselves from one another.

Bush confirmed that he wants to privatize at least some portions of the entitlement program and went so far as to suggest that it took courage to be willing to gamble the retirements of working Americans on the stock market. "It is an issue I'm willing to take on," Bush promised - or perhaps the better word is "threatened."

Kerry correctly responded by characterizing the president's proposal as "an invitation to disaster."



Citing a Congressional Budget Office study that suggests the president's plan would open a $2 trillion hole in the Social Security program and lead to a dramatic cut in benefit levels, Kerry made his own promise: "We're going to protect Social Security. I will not privatize it. I will not cut the benefits."</PKerry was equally firm when the candidates were asked whether they favor increasing the minimum wage.

The Democrat responded in detail, saying he would work to raise the federal base hourly wage requirement from $5.15 an hour, where it has been stuck for seven years, to $7 an hour. Kerry explained how doing so would improve the standard of living for 9.2 million working women - many of them mothers of young children. And he closed with a passionate promise that "I will fight tooth and nail to raise the minimum wage."

Bush avoided the question altogether, using his time to mount a defense of his much-criticized "No Child Left Behind" program.

In a domestic policy debate, these were fundamental questions. They were the which-side-are-you-on tests of the night.

Kerry said he would ensure retired Americans are always afforded the economic protections of the Social Security program. And he promised that he would take the most basic, yet most necessary, step to improve the condition of the working poor.

Bush said he would gamble the retirement security of working Americans on the stock market. And he could not be bothered to discuss the steps that must be taken to help working moms take a step out of poverty.

To a greater extent than we would have dared imagine, the final debate made the already stark choice between John Kerry and George W. Bush a whole lot clearer.



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"Bush said he would gamble the retirement security of working Americans on the stock market."


Yep that is what he said. Another genius post Wilhelm. Where are you getting this bullshit.
 

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Bush Flip-flopped and Broke His 2000 Promises to Reform and Strengthen Social Security and Medicare, and to Not Raid the Social Security Trust Fund.



FLIP: In his August 3, 2000 acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, Bush pledged that "[w]e will strengthen Social Security and Medicare for the greatest generation and for generations to come." He also vowed to put Medicare on "firm financial ground." About social security he said: Social Security, he said, "has been called the third rail of American politics, the one you're not supposed to touch because it might shock you. But if you don't touch it, you cannot fix it. And I intend to fix it." Bush made an unequivocal pledge not to raid the Social Security trust fund to pay for deficits in other parts of the federal budget. “We're going to set aside all the payroll taxes for one thing, Social Security," Bush said in a stump speech four days before the presidential election.

FLOP: Four years later, Social Security is untouched and unfixed. And, with the government going from budget surplus to deficit, Bush has retreated from his promise not to spend the Social Security surplus. Bush has pulled more than $350 billion out of Social Security surpluses to pay for discretionary government spending. Overall prospects for the future look even bleaker. With record deficits replacing record surpluses and the Baby Boom generation nearing retirement age, the current Social Security surpluses are expected to join the rest of the federal government in a bath of red ink. Bush's drug law wound up costing double what Bush projected and Medicare's chief accountant, Richard Foster, was warned that he would lose his job if he told Congress and the public the true costs of the drug bill prior to passage. While the Medicare legislation made nods toward structural changes in the program, it did little to address the program's long-term solvency or to control increasing costs. Call these broken promises or flip flops- its your choice!

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1) Washington Post Thursday, September 2, 2004; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54556-2004Sep1.html 2) CNN Transcript of Bush's 2000 acceptance speech at the RNC:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/conventions/republican/transcripts/bush.html
 

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economy

If Gore was elected, the economy woudl still have take a downhill turn. If you know anything about economics, things go in cycles. In fact, without the tax cuts, you could make a case that we woudl be heading into a deep recession if Gore was in charge.

I will be the first to admit Bush has made mistakes. But until the Dems actually put a legit canidate out there, they wont take back the office.
 

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Probably agree with paragraph two.

Sorry, don't understand paragraph one.
 

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what will we all talk about in 3 weeks when it is over?
 

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I'm sure when Bush wins we will be talking about how brutal it still is in Iraq. Not filled with democracy and peace as he has promised and you believe Suckers.
 

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Bush won't win, for one thing contrary to popular belief Americans are not a stupid as many think they are. Young people are up in arms against Bush. Voter registration in urban areas is way up which heavily favors Kerry. The polls are drawing inaccurate samples concentrating on likely voters not registered voters which are growing in record numbers especially among low income Democratic minorities. I look for Kerry to win convincingly by 4 to 6 points. He will carry Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, and Minnesota without a problem.



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Bush pulling away in the polls. Bush 50%-44%. People just don't trust the lying scumbag Kerry.
 

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Wil, I thought Dems were ahead of GOPers in new registration until I read this interview by Bush's campaign manager (Ken Mehlman). It could be wishful thinking, but he doesn't make some interesting points.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kob/obeirne200410150833.asp


Many media reports assert that Democrats have bested Republicans in registering new voters this year, is that so?

"No. In state after state after state, Democrats are registering voters to make up for population losses, especially in cities, and they're registering people who are not eligible to vote."

Will those people wind up voting nonetheless? "We'll see."

Mehlman uses the crucial battleground state of Ohio as an example of what he claims is the Republicans' advantage in registrations. Voters don't register by party in Ohio, but based on registration numbers in counties identified as largely Republican or mainly Democratic based on how those counties voted in past presidential elections, Mehlman explains that Republicans have netted 100,000 new registrations over their numbers in 2000. He points out that many Democratic registrations are replacing their voters who have left the rolls. "We're adding, they're substituting," Mehlman concludes.

Republicans are claiming three million new registrations nationwide. Mehlman thinks that the 527s that have been registering voters on behalf of the Democratic party have been plagued by duplicate registrations and other problems because they are less reliable than the volunteers and workers answering directly to the GOP. He emphasizes that Republicans aren't relying wholly on volunteers, "There are 300 paid workers in Florida, for example."
 

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In times like this ...

I turn to the wise words of the great lyricist, musician, and social activist Bruce Cockburn ...

"If I had a rocket launcher ... some SOB would die ! "

Only, in my dreams, I extend it to every lying scumbag politician on the planet.

I mean, really, if you are going to use "lying scumbag" as an excuse not to vote for somebody - WHO IN THE HELL IS THERE LEFT ?

You people never cease to amaze me with your meaningless, half-assed analysis of the body politic. Regardless of who the collective lemmings decide to award the prize of "President" to - TERRORISM will continue, defecits will continue, abortion will continue, murder will continue, sickness and death will continue, politicians will continue to lie to you, STD's will continue to be transmitted, husbands will cheat on their wives, wives will cheat on their husbands, Priests (and other clergy) will continue to diddle little boys, religious hypocrites will abound, theft will continue, steroid use will proliferate, millionaire athletes will continue to snort coke and smoke the sweet leaf - the WORLD WILL NOT STOP TURNING, LIFE WILL GO ON.

Anything and everything ever said or thought about that JOKE called DEMOCRACY will remain MEANINGLESS !! Enjoy ! ....
 

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Meanstreak - whatever.





Shotgun - People may not be passionate about electing John Kerry but they certainly are passionate about seeing George Bush defeated. If you don't believe that Americans are uniting behind Kerry then try to explain the fact that the Kerry campaign had less than 3 million in the bank after the primaries, but went on to raise more money than any non-incumbent in the history of U.S. politics, including George Bush in 2000. Kerry isn't backed by the millionaires and billionaires of this country, so the money had to come from real people, people who can only give a little bit here and there. You do the math.


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Wil, the money Kerry pulled in was impressive as well as surprising. But a big chunk of the Democratic base isn't that energized by him. Blacks went 90% for Gore in 2000; I don't see that happening this year. They also had a record turnout (55% if I remember correctly) that year.

Still two weeks to go though...anything can happen.
 

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Actually the energy to elect Kerry is mainly coming from the defeat Bush at all costs mentality in the Democratic base that is more prevelant than ever all over the US. This dynamic was non-existent in 2000 as far as Gore was concerned. Despite running a terrible campaign Gore won the popular vote and lost the closest election in US history under at best what could be termed as unusual circumstances (Florida fiasco).



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wilheim said:
Bush won't win, for one thing contrary to popular belief Americans are not a stupid as many think they are. Young people are up in arms against Bush. Voter registration in urban areas is way up which heavily favors Kerry. The polls are drawing inaccurate samples concentrating on likely voters not registered voters which are growing in record numbers especially among low income Democratic minorities. I look for Kerry to win convincingly by 4 to 6 points. He will carry Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, and Minnesota without a problem.



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Just a little optimistic Wil?
Something to ponder - In 2000 I never saw but two or three ads by Bush in Minnesota. This year the ads are all over the place by the Bush team. You should not ignore that. The Bush ads and the Swiftboat ads have been seen by about everyone this year. It will make a big difference in getting the silent majority out there to vote.
 

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Wil lives in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts where union thugs acting as the gestapo wing of the state government makes sure that any people who would carry signs for Bush are subject to property destruction, intimidation and even assault - while the local cops turn a blind eye!

Wil naturally believes that it's the same way thoughout the rest of the country!
 

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Blight don't make assumptions, I was born in Mass. but have not lived there since 1973. My sister lives on Cape Cod. I currently live in Latin America FWIW.





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Hey Chuckles you stated over and over and over Kerry lies. While here is your chance began posting them now. Lots of people are starting to think your like Game with no substance. Lets prove them wrong. Start posting. Come on you've got to have something.
 

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