The Big 12 plans to scrap the co-champions label that hurt Baylor & TCU

[GoSooners]

Posted Today, 05:06 AM
Fox Sports: Big 12 plans to scrap the 'co-champs' label that hurt Baylor, TCU

By Stewart Mandel
Fox Sports

IRVING, Texas -- Having watched co-champions Baylor and TCU get excluded from the first-ever College Football Playoff last season, the Big 12 is close to adopting one change to address the snub while laying the groundwork for something bigger.

Speaking with reporters here Tuesday at the start of the annual CFP meetings, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said the league will likely scrap its confusing co-champion moniker in time for the 2015 season. Conference ADs and coaches will discuss the matter next week at their spring meetings in Phoenix.

"I'm fairly confident we'll act to put in place a tiebreaker that will determine our champion," said Bowlsby. "That will eliminate one of the variables from last year."

Meanwhile, any decision to implement a conference championship game won't come anytime soon, particularly since the 10-team league isn't currently allowed to do so. ...

http://www.foxsports...hampions-042815

 

[GoSooners]

It really didn't matter which team had been chosen "Champ" Ohio State was going to be put ahead of either one based on the committee's criteria. Truth be told, the real fly in the ointment last year was Florida State somehow managing to go undefeated despite looking mediocre all season, and then scraping by Ga Tech in the ACC CG.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

The bottom line is this. The Big 12, noted for always trying to manipulate the rules, are still at it. You would think that after Okie State got snubbed in 2011 and Baylor getting the same treatment last season, the Big 12 would see the handwriting on the wall, but they still stubbernly refuse to do so. Now I know that some teams in the Big 12 is afraid to play quality non-con opposition, and this continued attitude about the playoffs just makes me wonder if the Big 12 knows that it cannot compete with the other 4 Power 5 conferences. I do not believe that they have what it takes to play the likes of Alabama, Georgia, Oregon, USC, Ohio State, Michigan State, Florida State and even Clemson, not to mention Notre Dame. The Big 12 ranks 5th in the Power 5 conferences. Let's see what happens this season. If they do not have a team with a better record than every other team except 3, they get shut out again. No matter how much B.S Big 12 fans want to say, that is the fact. You Big 12 people did not believe me last year and were proven wrong. Want to go for 2 out of 2?

 

[cloverleaf]

Guess I don't understand the Big 12. Why not pull in BYU and add Houston, SMU or Rice? Gets the conference to 14 teams with a couple of patsies and then they play a conference championship game.

Big boys still in charge and at least have a chance at bigger things........

 

[groundhog11]

Guess I don't understand the Big 12. Why not pull in BYU and add Houston, SMU or Rice? Gets the conference to 14 teams with a couple of patsies and then they play a conference championship game.

Big boys still in charge and at least have a chance at bigger things........

Those schools wont won't return enough money making it worthwhile....they would have to bring in 25mil+ which none of them do...also the rest of the big12 would throw a fit knowing they would lose a home game every yr of Oklahoma or Texas....can you imagine playing smu at home instead of Texas?

 

[Conan]

Those schools wont won't return enough money making it worthwhile....they would have to bring in 25mil+ which none of them do...also the rest of the big12 would throw a fit knowing they would lose a home game every yr of Oklahoma or Texas....can you imagine playing smu at home instead of Texas?

You never know... one decade it's Texas or Oklahoma that brings the heat, the next decade it's Baylor or TCU leading the way.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the most badass football teams lead in fan interest within a conference in addition to leading in their W/L record?
That opinion seems to trump tradition other than at schools that sell out every game. Even then, ticket prices shoot up like a rocket
when a ranked opponent is coming to town. I think I would prefer watching a team like Louisville play in my stadium instead of a team
like a Tennessee or a Miami all caught up in the days of glory past, traditionally speaking of course.

 

[GoSooners]

Guess I don't understand the Big 12. Why not pull in BYU and add Houston, SMU or Rice? Gets the conference to 14 teams with a couple of patsies and then they play a conference championship game.

Big boys still in charge and at least have a chance at bigger things........

The Big 12 already has the Texas market so SMU and Rice doesn't bring anything new to the table. If you open up your conference for more teams, you want the ones that will benefit your conference. How have you improved your conference's overall strength of schedule when you've added two schools that are going to lose all or almost all of their non-conference games against Power 5 opponents? If the Big 12 ever decides to add 2 schools (which I doubt) they'll have to be quality programs or else what good does it do to have a 12 team conference and a conference championship game when we still have a weak overall SOS and only 4 playoff slots for 5 conferences? So as much as the Big 12 is criticized in all of this, the fundamental problem with determining the national champion still hasn't been solved until we have a 6 or 8 team playoff. There will ALWAYS be a conference left out of the picture regardless of having a conference CG. Even though I don't agree with the Big 12 brass in leaving it a 10 team conference, my opinion is the playoff system they have adopted in place of the BCS is just as flawed and backward thinking as the Big 12 leaving it at 10 teams.

 

[TyBounce]

Posted Today, 05:06 AM
Fox Sports: Big 12 plans to scrap the 'co-champs' label that hurt Baylor, TCU

By Stewart Mandel
Fox Sports

IRVING, Texas -- Having watched co-champions Baylor and TCU get excluded from the first-ever College Football Playoff last season, the Big 12 is close to adopting one change to address the snub while laying the groundwork for something bigger.

Speaking with reporters here Tuesday at the start of the annual CFP meetings, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said the league will likely scrap its confusing co-champion moniker in time for the 2015 season. Conference ADs and coaches will discuss the matter next week at their spring meetings in Phoenix.

confident we'll act to "I'm fairly put in place a tiebreaker that will determine our champion," said Bowlsby. "That will eliminate one of the variables from last year."

Meanwhile, any decision to implement a conference championship game won't come anytime soon, particularly since the 10-team league isn't currently allowed to do so. ...

http://www.foxsports...hampions-042815

Here's the part that confuses me / - "I'm fairly confident we'll act to put in place a tiebreaker that will determine our champion," said Bowlsby

Why do they need to put a tiebreaker in place ? Head to head should be the tiebreaker. .... they may need to add a tiebreaker in case of a 3 way tie , but a 2 way tie like last year there shouldn't even be any controversy , the winner should be champ.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

The Big 12 simply has no clue. First, all of you people who are calling for a 6 or 8 team playoff can drop that NOW. IT is NOT going to happen with the current contract, which has a long ways to go. The powers to be have already decided this. That gives the Big 12 plenty of time to destroy itself, which they will do, if they keep their current arrangement. The Big 12 is taking the chicken way out. They are afraid that if they lay a CC game, the best team may lose. Stupid thinking, but welcome to the Big 12. Now the Big 12 can take BYU (a money maker) and Cincinnati to get their 12 teams and finally become a big boy's conference. If not, the Big 12 will always be the #5 conference in the power 5. That is set in stone. If there is one team from each conference that loses one game, but wins their respective conferences, The Big 12 is OUT because they played one less game. NOTHING is going to change that. Texas and OU would be in the Southern Division, so they would continue to play their rivalry game, which is beginning to mean less and less to the rest of the nation because these two teams are NOT competitive on a national level any more.

 

[GoSooners]

Here's the part that confuses me / - "I'm fairly confident we'll act to put in place a tiebreaker that will determine our champion," said Bowlsby

Why do they need to put a tiebreaker in place ? Head to head should be the tiebreaker. .... they may need to add a tiebreaker in case of a 3 way tie , but a 2 way tie like last year there shouldn't even be any controversy , the winner should be champ.

The only reason I can think of is two teams with one loss, but the one that lost head to head has the stronger overall SOS and would be a better representative for the conference. But really, this whole thing is just ignorance at the highest level with this 10 team business and now talking about having a conference championship game and two separate 5 team divisions. If we had two 5 team divisions last year, most likely TCU and Baylor would have been in the same division and wouldn't have played each other. So what would that have accomplished? The Big 12 brass is still trying to dance around the 10 team issue. And Bowlsby is clown shoes walking. I didn't think it could get any worse than the last two Commish's, but this idiot has me rethinking that belief. This conference is an absolute fucking joke and embarrassment when it comes to this subject. And the NCAA is a joke by not extending the number of teams for a playoff from the very beginning. So with these two working together we're either not going to get anything done, or what they do come up with will be something really stupid. Personally, I think the Big 12 has already missed the boat with adding two teams, and are pretty much in conference purgatory until some kind of big realignment move is made. When it comes down to adding the teams we should have brought in to take the place of Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, of the two that should have been added when they had the chance, one went on to have a 20+ game winning streak and won a national championship, and the other just kicked OU's ass in a bowl game. The Big 12 most likely could have gotten both of those schools when the ACC was in turmoil. To me, after this conference lost what they did as far as quality programs, those two were the only acceptable schools to bring in. Everything else is chicken feed.

 

[RunLeeRun]

The Big 12 wants to have the loophole just in case it's better "ranked" team lost the head to head. This way it's their champion getting the closer look by the playoff committee. Texas isn't going to allow any other team to come in and take a bite into the money and the small programs will go along with it because they have no aspirations of national title, so it's all about the money for them. Perhaps they incorporate a title, but I think there is some "been burned" mentality with the title game. On 5 occasions, a highly ranked team with national title aspirations got beat: 96-Nebraska, 98-Kstate, 01 Texas, 03 - Oklahoma (they still played the BCS game), 07- Missouri. The list should include 09 - Texas, but by them they were fed up with getting dashed and SWC ...er Big 12 officials found a way to get it done. I have no doubt that the coveted programs still have the porch light turned on at the realignment door waiting for that knock.

 

[RunLeeRun]

The only reason I can think of is two teams with one loss, but the one that lost head to head has the stronger overall SOS and would be a better representative for the conference. But really, this whole thing is just ignorance at the highest level with this 10 team business and now talking about having a conference championship game and two separate 5 team divisions. If we had two 5 team divisions last year, most likely TCU and Baylor would have been in the same division and wouldn't have played each other. So what would that have accomplished? The Big 12 brass is still trying to dance around the 10 team issue. And Bowlsby is clown shoes walking. I didn't think it could get any worse than the last two Commish's, but this idiot has me rethinking that belief. This conference is an absolute fucking joke and embarrassment when it comes to this subject. And the NCAA is a joke by not extending the number of teams for a playoff from the very beginning. So with these two working together we're either not going to get anything done, or what they do come up with will be something really stupid. Personally, I think the Big 12 has already missed the boat with adding two teams, and are pretty much in conference purgatory until some kind of big realignment move is made. When it comes down to adding the teams we should have brought in to take the place of Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, of the two that should have been added when they had the chance, one went on to have a 20+ game winning streak and won a national championship, and the other just kicked OU's ass in a bowl game. The Big 12 most likely could have gotten both of those schools when the ACC was in turmoil. To me, after this conference lost what they did as far as quality programs, those two were the only acceptable schools to bring in. Everything else is chicken feed.

Missing the Clemson FSU boat was such a monumental FU. The Big 12 is the Titanic just waiting to meet its icy fate.

 

[GoSooners]

Texas isn't going to allow any other team to come in and take a bite into the money and I have no doubt that the coveted programs still have the porch light turned on at the realignment door waiting for that knock.

I'm thinking the same thing. At this point it's a wait and see, and OU and Texas are waiting to make the big move when the serious realignment talks come up again. Texas is in a unique position. If they desired, they could pack up tomorrow and go anywhere they please. They have the money and the high academics to do it. And that's what I'm afraid is going to happen. I would like to see OU make the first move like they threatened to do a few years ago, but Boren pussied out and didn't follow through with the threat. I still haven't forgiven him for that.

 

[TyBounce]

The only reason I can think of is two teams with one loss, but the one that lost head to head has the stronger overall SOS and would be a better representative for the conference. But really, this whole thing is just ignorance at the highest level with this 10 team business and now talking about having a conference championship game and two separate 5 team divisions. If we had two 5 team divisions last year, most likely TCU and Baylor would have been in the same division and wouldn't have played each other. So what would that have accomplished? The Big 12 brass is still trying to dance around the 10 team issue. And Bowlsby is clown shoes walking. I didn't think it could get any worse than the last two Commish's, but this idiot has me rethinking that belief. This conference is an absolute fucking joke and embarrassment when it comes to this subject. And the NCAA is a joke by not extending the number of teams for a playoff from the very beginning. So with these two working together we're either not going to get anything done, or what they do come up with will be something really stupid. Personally, I think the Big 12 has already missed the boat with adding two teams, and are pretty much in conference purgatory until some kind of big realignment move is made. When it comes down to adding the teams we should have brought in to take the place of Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, of the two that should have been added when they had the chance, one went on to have a 20+ game winning streak and won a national championship, and the other just kicked OU's ass in a bowl game. The Big 12 most likely could have gotten both of those schools when the ACC was in turmoil. To me, after this conference lost what they did as far as quality programs, those two were the only acceptable schools to bring in. Everything else is chicken feed.

That doesn't really make sense about the sos and better representative b/c the playoffs dont have a "champion" only rule. There could be a scenario in any conference where there is an upset in a ccg and the champion NOT make the playoffs but another team does. ...and the big 12 doesn't have a ccg so either they have a team in the top 4 or they dont. .... the only tie-breaker they need is for a 3 way tie.

 

[GoSooners]

That doesn't really make sense about the sos and better representative b/c the playoffs dont have a "champion" only rule. There could be a scenario in any conference where there is an upset in a ccg and the champion NOT make the playoffs but another team does. ...and the big 12 doesn't have a ccg so either they have a team in the top 4 or they dont. .... the only tie-breaker they need is for a 3 way tie.

It doesn't make any sense at all. This whole thing is perplexing to me. Since when in the history of common sense has anyone needed a complicated system to determine a "tiebreaker" in a 2 way tie when the two teams in question have already played each other? The only time this conference ever had a problem with a 3 way tie was when OU/Texas/Sand Aggys had a 3 way tie back in 2008. But that was determined the old BCS way with the stronger SOS team winning out. I think this new commissioner is just spooked because of this latest incident of Baylor/TCU not making the Final Four. But they weren't getting into the Final Four anyway. I swear, either these coaches and AD's are all up in Bowsby's head about it, or this guy is just plain stupid. My guess is he couldn't even get laid in a whorehouse.

 

[groundhog11]

Missing the Clemson FSU boat was such a monumental FU. The Big 12 is the Titanic just waiting to meet its icy fate.

Agree..l

 

[BigdaddyQH]

The Pac 12 only needs two teams to put themselves on a par with the other 3 power 5 conferences.Why not just take the two Oklahoma teams? Screw Texas.



The Pac 12 can opt to take two teams, putting it on a par with the other 3 Power 5 conferences. Why not have both Oklahoma teams make the jump? Screw Texas. All Texas has done lately is destroy the Big 12-2 Conference. Thanks to Texas, it is entirely possible that the Big 12-2 has been screwed out of two critical games, once in 2011 and again last year. It is beginning to look more and more likely that the Big 12-2 has no balls when it comes to Texas. If this is the case, then the Big 12-2 deserves what it gets.

 

[BigdaddyQH]

It doesn't make any sense at all. This whole thing is perplexing to me. Since when in the history of common sense has anyone needed a complicated system to determine a "tiebreaker" in a 2 way tie when the two teams in question have already played each other? The only time this conference ever had a problem with a 3 way tie was when OU/Texas/Sand Aggys had a 3 way tie back in 2008. But that was determined the old BCS way with the stronger SOS team winning out. I think this new commissioner is just spooked because of this latest incident of Baylor/TCU not making the Final Four. But they weren't getting into the Final Four anyway. I swear, either these coaches and AD's are all up in Bowsby's head about it, or this guy is just plain stupid. My guess is he couldn't even get laid in a whorehouse.

The Big 12-2 has no balls at all. Whatever Texas wants, Texas gets. Thanks to Texas, the Big 12-2 has been reduced to the bottom of the barrel in the Power 5 Conferences. Screw Texas. If the two Oklahoma schools have any balls at all, they would jump to the Pac 12 Conference. That would get the ball rolling. Texas would have no choice but to jump to another conference. Unfortunately, Big 12 schools are totally gutless when it comes to Texas. The Big 12-2 will get what it paid for. They are a 2nd class conference.

 

[RunLeeRun]

And that's what I'm afraid is going to happen. I would like to see OU make the first move like they threatened to do a few years ago, but Boren pussied out and didn't follow through with the threat. I still haven't forgiven him for that.

Should have taken the SEC offer and said fuck Texas once they brought down the Pac-12 deal, I believe they might be the richest conference today. But they had to have their own network, and a big fucking flop at that. Karma's a bitch. Amazing how the big winner in all that was Missouri....they'd be playing in the Big East.

 

[groundhog11]

Should have taken the SEC offer and said fuck Texas once they brought down the Pac-12 deal, I believe they might be the richest conference today. But they had to have their own network, and a big fucking flop at that. Karma's a bitch. Amazing how the big winner in all that was Missouri....they'd be playing in the Big East.

wouldnt be surprised to see longhorn network fail, thus turning into big12 network....as payouts get bigger and acc position weaker along for decreasing in yrs, it's a matter of time before acc gets poached.