General, you must decide for yourself several things in this life.. why am i here, what is my purpose and where am i going.. the Bible offers an answer, its your choice of whether to believe it or not ----- but i can tell you that there is a lot of scientific evidence to back it up and not just based on faith alone.... I know in my heart General, that the Bible is true and real and i will bet my eternity on it.. sorry for the pun..... but its your choice, if not the bible, then how did you get here, whats your purpose and where are you going... it takes as much faith to believe in evolution and the big bang theroy as it does to believe in the bible.. good luck in your decision making but please give the bible a chance, God wants to reconcile with man and things are happening in the world today that are in the bible, bible prophecy is a fascinating subject..... I love studying Genesis and Revelation, the beginning and the end.... man its interesting,,,,, study it from an unbiased view....
pay attention to the year 1948 and Isreal becoming a state again, the EU and the advent of a one world order led by the UN....
The People's Champ
pay attention to the year 1948 and Isreal becoming a state again, the EU and the advent of a one world order led by the UN....
The People's Champ
no problem Patriot, the bible is a fascinating book.... the creation and the world that existed before the flood is an unbelievable study.... it was a totally different world, the most catastrophic natural disaster the world has ever seen... and dig into studying the book of Daniel and Revelations.. talk about spooky..
The People's Champ
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christianity, judaism, hinduism, seikh, buhdism, Islam & all the other religions to me are simply tool's used by Human beings to explain their 'being'. Many people need 'faith' & spirituality to survive & answer many of the questions above posed by SSI. The idea that there is no 'greater' meaning to all this is simply too much to bear for most.
5000 years ago the Egyptians, the Inca's, Babelonians all had different forms of faith to explain existence aswell. Most of those form's of faith have vanished in today's world replaced by more modern religions...
It is my beleif that the same will be true of today's religions aswell. 10000 years from now I do not beleive that we will still have the same faiths we have today. They will be replaced in the same fashions have replaced previous faith's.
SSI, I would love to play devil's advocate (no pun intended...lol) with some of the points that you made above.
remember I do not mean any of this to disrespect anyone of any faith.. simply find it a fascinating topic.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> why am i here, what is my purpose and where am i going.. the Bible offers an answer <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
you are absolutely right, the bible does explain this & so does every other religion throughout time... But maybe... just maybe... there is no deeper meaning to all of this. Maybe we are simply biological beings on a planet. Why are we different from a fox in the forest or an ant on a tree? We are not! Perhaps there is no deeper meaning than that. Monkey's, elephant's dolphins & other animals have proven to have 'thought' processes similar to human beings & show emotions aswell.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> it takes as much faith to believe in evolution and the big bang theroy as it does to believe in the bible.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
from what I have seen science seems to be more based on facts than any religion I have seen. This is not to say that Jesus or Mohamed did not exist. Of course they did, they were both spiritual men... Why is one of them the son of GOD however & not the other? or are the JEWS right & the son of god has not been born yet? or mabye the budhists or seikhs have it right?
Relegion is a tool that people use to teach people & society how to be 'good' people. ALL relegions pretty much teach the same CORE VALUES. The rest is window dressing. Relegion also satisfies Human Beings unbeleivable curiosity & need to explain their existence. Human beings have been using these tools throuhghout time.
5000 years ago the Egyptians, the Inca's, Babelonians all had different forms of faith to explain existence aswell. Most of those form's of faith have vanished in today's world replaced by more modern religions...
It is my beleif that the same will be true of today's religions aswell. 10000 years from now I do not beleive that we will still have the same faiths we have today. They will be replaced in the same fashions have replaced previous faith's.
SSI, I would love to play devil's advocate (no pun intended...lol) with some of the points that you made above.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> why am i here, what is my purpose and where am i going.. the Bible offers an answer <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
you are absolutely right, the bible does explain this & so does every other religion throughout time... But maybe... just maybe... there is no deeper meaning to all of this. Maybe we are simply biological beings on a planet. Why are we different from a fox in the forest or an ant on a tree? We are not! Perhaps there is no deeper meaning than that. Monkey's, elephant's dolphins & other animals have proven to have 'thought' processes similar to human beings & show emotions aswell.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> it takes as much faith to believe in evolution and the big bang theroy as it does to believe in the bible.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
from what I have seen science seems to be more based on facts than any religion I have seen. This is not to say that Jesus or Mohamed did not exist. Of course they did, they were both spiritual men... Why is one of them the son of GOD however & not the other? or are the JEWS right & the son of god has not been born yet? or mabye the budhists or seikhs have it right?
Relegion is a tool that people use to teach people & society how to be 'good' people. ALL relegions pretty much teach the same CORE VALUES. The rest is window dressing. Relegion also satisfies Human Beings unbeleivable curiosity & need to explain their existence. Human beings have been using these tools throuhghout time.
savant, respect your opinion and the way that you put it... however there is more to life, i could bring up many points with some pretty good proof to back it up.. i havent got the time now but would love to have a nice talk..
The bible is about 1/4 prophecy, this makes it different than any of the other religions..
and you believe we are all here because of a big bang or by mere chance.. too many things to explain away by mere chance..
how did the Jews remain a people for 2500 years without a homeland... why is it that less than 1% of the worlds population is Jewish, yet they control over 10% of the worlds money..
study a little about the world before the flood:
one giant landmass
never rained, water came up from ground.
about 15 degrees in temp over entire world.
this made animals nomadic and not confined to one area.
another kicker to look at is, there was a canopy that surrounded the earth and protected it from the sun, this enabled people to live to be very old ------ read Genesis and the flood, look at how the lifespans went down immediatley after the flood..
gotta go, im tired..
The People's Champ
The bible is about 1/4 prophecy, this makes it different than any of the other religions..
and you believe we are all here because of a big bang or by mere chance.. too many things to explain away by mere chance..
how did the Jews remain a people for 2500 years without a homeland... why is it that less than 1% of the worlds population is Jewish, yet they control over 10% of the worlds money..
study a little about the world before the flood:
one giant landmass
never rained, water came up from ground.
about 15 degrees in temp over entire world.
this made animals nomadic and not confined to one area.
another kicker to look at is, there was a canopy that surrounded the earth and protected it from the sun, this enabled people to live to be very old ------ read Genesis and the flood, look at how the lifespans went down immediatley after the flood..
gotta go, im tired..
The People's Champ
SS and SSI interesting views.
If I may, as a scientist correct one commonly held idea. Science is not based on facts. Science is based on hypothesis that is a reasonable explanation of observation, which has not been shown to be false. Thus Science advances by showing previously held hypotheses to be false.
This might sound like nitpicking but is critical to an understanding of scientific method. Nothing is proved by Science to be true, only certain things are proved to be false.
If I may, as a scientist correct one commonly held idea. Science is not based on facts. Science is based on hypothesis that is a reasonable explanation of observation, which has not been shown to be false. Thus Science advances by showing previously held hypotheses to be false.
This might sound like nitpicking but is critical to an understanding of scientific method. Nothing is proved by Science to be true, only certain things are proved to be false.
absolutely woody, i apologize if I worded it incorrectly...
I was just thinking how before I read your post that Science does not presume to 'explain' ot 'know' everything. There is no way anyone can explain the 'Big Bang' question... Science does not presume to be able to explain it perfectly either...
I was just thinking how before I read your post that Science does not presume to 'explain' ot 'know' everything. There is no way anyone can explain the 'Big Bang' question... Science does not presume to be able to explain it perfectly either...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
SS,
Do yo believe that people actually turned into pillars of salt? or that snakes talk?
Sounds like fiction to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
lander, if one believes in a God who 'spoke' the universe into existence then pillars of salt or speaking snakes is a walk in the park
No problem.
SS,
Do yo believe that people actually turned into pillars of salt? or that snakes talk?
Sounds like fiction to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
lander, if one believes in a God who 'spoke' the universe into existence then pillars of salt or speaking snakes is a walk in the park
Even the most agnostic astrophysicist will admit when going back far enough, before the "Big Bang", that for the Big Bang to happen then there has to be a supernatural event. Supernatural meaning outside of known natural law. Most will agree with the song "nothing from nothing leaves nothing", but something from nothing is not logical. Something from nothing is what we have with the Big Bang.
"The bible doesn't always seem to make a lot of sense, so why should I read it".....
Quoting the heading of this thread.....that pretty much summed it up....
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense but the bible thumpers seem to find the right passages to justify just about anything....what answers they don't know are cleverly explained away as "only God knows that".....well, that sure makes me feel better..
I consider myself to be an agnostic, maybe there is a god, maybe not....considering the fact that there are numerous religions to choose from,and that I have just as much reason to be a muslim as I have of being a christian, or other faiths for that matter, and that most if not all gods condemn those people who follow other religions....
.....what fair god would condemn followers of a different faith, considering that people are generally born and raised into thier parents religion, and why condemn people for having little faith in religious matters, when little evidence is given to the people to support faith in religions???
I'm supposed to spend my life following a god and practice upon which I have no concrete evidence even exists.....then guess that I'm kissing the right gods ass to avoid some fiery afterlife that takes all those who guess wrong?
I'll stick with trying to lead a "good life", if in the end I'm judged by some god, and I'm not judged by my actions and my intent while I lived on earth, then I will consider the whole judging process to be an utter and complete farce.
Quoting the heading of this thread.....that pretty much summed it up....
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense but the bible thumpers seem to find the right passages to justify just about anything....what answers they don't know are cleverly explained away as "only God knows that".....well, that sure makes me feel better..
I consider myself to be an agnostic, maybe there is a god, maybe not....considering the fact that there are numerous religions to choose from,and that I have just as much reason to be a muslim as I have of being a christian, or other faiths for that matter, and that most if not all gods condemn those people who follow other religions....
.....what fair god would condemn followers of a different faith, considering that people are generally born and raised into thier parents religion, and why condemn people for having little faith in religious matters, when little evidence is given to the people to support faith in religions???
I'm supposed to spend my life following a god and practice upon which I have no concrete evidence even exists.....then guess that I'm kissing the right gods ass to avoid some fiery afterlife that takes all those who guess wrong?
I'll stick with trying to lead a "good life", if in the end I'm judged by some god, and I'm not judged by my actions and my intent while I lived on earth, then I will consider the whole judging process to be an utter and complete farce.
